Capel Quote

[Sid]

Finishing ahead of Iowa St. and Tech is no accomplishment.
They just outsucked us.

What happened to Nick's icon/pict? lol

 

[perryj74]

Finishing ahead of Iowa St. and Tech is no accomplishment.
They just outsucked us.

With this bunch of players it was. Yes Capel is responsible for the roster and if you want to fire him for that I won't argue. It isn't where OU basketball should be but again be careful what you ask for. It wasn't that long ago many were pushing a coach out the door with much better results and look where we are now.

 

[skyvue]

And I have no problem with firing Capel for the mess that those McD's AA left us in but don't come on here and say he should be fired because of his coaching ability after the job he did this year. This team had no business finishing anywhere besides dead last in the Big 12.

I can't agree. I think this team's results were just about as good as its talent. Which I'll admit is an improvement over last season. But honest to God, I hope I never, as long as I live, have to hear other posters again defending an OU coach by saying his team played hard. That should be the absolute default, a given. If someone has to even mention that the team played hard, something has gone terribly haywire.

In my opinion, we've yet to overachieve over the course of a season under Capel. Heck, there haven't been that many games, much less seasons, in which we've overachieved on Coach Capel's watch.

 

[Sid]

In my opinion, we've yet to overachieve over the course of a season under Capel. Heck, there haven't been that many games, much less seasons, in which we've overachieved on Coach Capel's watch.

Thank you. You make an excellent point.

 

[red recluse]

Why do you think that is? I just don't get it. I would think rule #1 would be to lock down the home front and then go fill in the gaps elsewhere.

Of course Dave Bliss had a pretty solid run of success recruiting all those Indiana guys for us. All things equal, though, I'd like to see Oklahoma kids wearing the crimson and cream.



PS: Love the new avatar, btw.

it's baffling. i would think he'd see cade as a great example why he should. hopefully neal has him believing now. but i tend to blame it on thinking that after getting his first two mcdaa's, he thought the program was at level of texas or ohio state where he could bring in the top-rated recruits that he wanted from anywhere in the country.

i understand why certain kids want to go to an elite program. i'm not a high school basketball expert, but it seems lately there's still some good talent around once the orton's and henry's blow you off. and even if he did continue to bring in multiple mcdaa's, he had to know those guys probably wouldn't be here four years. and that any kids you recruit around here (cade) would be the backbone of a program when guys leave early. i think he relied on the east coast connections he built before he came here to fill those roles, and it's going to be harder to evaluate talent and character of the chris early's when you're now a thousand miles away. build a new network here by watching the players this state has to offer, and the bigger bonus is that you'll be back home to your wife and baby earlier than going off to watch someone in portland that you don't have a shot at. and it seems he is still reluctant to go that route.

and thanks. couldn't find a brewer pic, so i had to go with my no. 2 guy.

 

[perryj74]

In my opinion, we've yet to overachieve over the course of a season under Capel. Heck, there haven't been that many games, much less seasons, in which we've overachieved on Coach Capel's watch.

This is where we will have to agree to disagree. I'm not sure what your realistic predictions were for this season but I don't recall even the most ardent of sunshine pumpers predicting 5 conference wins, especially after the trip to Maui.

 

[jerry]

Plain and simple Jeff Capel was just not ready for the job. And more disturbing after 5 years I still don't think he is ready.

 

[mardaddy51]

Jesus H. Christ.

Everyone on this board says we need to get better players, knows we need to get better players. But when Capel says it, he's blaming the players and deflecting blame from himself? I thought we wanted more honesty out of Capel? And when he's honest in this statement, he's blaming his players. Typical.

AGREED!!!!!

On another note.....looks like James Hale got it right....AGAIN!! Alot of people like to hate on him. Some of it warranted with his glass 3/4s full approach to OU sports, but he is right more than not. His forte' is recruting. That is what I take from his site. Yes, he is a OU homer, but he works for OUInsider and went to OU. What do you expect?!! Truth be told, he is the most connected reporter to the athletic program. PERIOD. Not Al or that D-Bag Murdock. His work on B-ball recruiting isn't as good as this site, but his focus is on football and I don't listen to anyone else when it comes to OU football recruiting. OK, let the ass kissing stop and the flaming from the rest of you begin.

 

[Cleavon Little]

Fixed it.

Ha I was considering the same thing

 

[sooner8]

I guess James Hale knows more than some on here wished that he did'nt..Go Sooners!!

 

[DenverSooner]

Yes, they were -- but were they taking up six or seven scholarships?

Sorry, but a coach has to be able to fill out his entire roster with worthy and able players, plus some stars as icing on the cake.

And those two McDAA were huge busts at OU (in terms of tenure, if nothing else) and Capel himself has admitted that they were trouble from the jump.

And yet he started them from start to finish, all but letting the inmates run the asylum.

He made mistakes. His results have not been good. However, he did get this team to win 5 Big XII games with possibly the least talented roster in the conference and a first round Big XII Tournament game. I think OU should give him one more year.

 

[WTSooner]

with possibly the least talented roster in the conference

How many times do I have to show this to be factually incorrect before people will stop posting it?

 

[skyvue]

This is where we will have to agree to disagree. I'm not sure what your realistic predictions were for this season but I don't recall even the most ardent of sunshine pumpers predicting 5 conference wins, especially after the trip to Maui.

Actually, in another thread, someone quoted many threads from the past, and expectations were much higher than you're suggesting.

After the trip to Maui is another matter. Fans will always despair after that bad stretches that typically in the course of a season, but those who predicted no conference wins or the like were roundly mocked.

But if you honestly felt going in that our talent level was such that we would win four or fewer games in conference, then that stands, I'm afraid, as an indictment of Coach Capel. After four years at the helm (entering this season), there's simply no excuse for allowing the cupboard to be that bare.

I hope to never see another season of Sooner basketball in which our fans cite a five-win conference campaign as a season of overachievement. It's like the baseball closer who blows a six-run lead in the top of the ninth, but gets the win when his team rallies in the bottom of the inning.

 

[skyvue]

How many times do I have to show this to be factually incorrect before people will stop posting it?

I've been working on the "the cupboard was bare when Capel took over in 2007" crowd for much longer, WT, and my work's not close to done. They just keep posting that revisionist nonsense.

 

[JBaker]

well we do have to get better players. he's to blame, partly because he hates recruiting this state. but he gives a non-coach speak answer and still gets blasted.

edit: soonerman beat me to the point.

Umm, what?

Last year he brought in 2 kids from Oklahoma. The year before he brought in one and offered at least two others.
In 2007 he brought in 2. And one in his first year.

The only year under Capel that he hasn't brought in at least one player from Oklahoma was the year he brought in Willie.

 

[Section31]

Umm, what?

Last year he brought in 2 kids from Oklahoma. The year before he brought in one and offered at least two others.
In 2007 he brought in 2. And one in his first year.

The only year under Capel that he hasn't brought in at least one player from Oklahoma was the year he brought in Willie.

I've TRIED to point this out in the past and people just don't want to hear it.

Here's the question I always pose: Make me a list of players OU had a shot at that we didn't offer or recruit??? Of that list, note which players turned out to be real D1 difference makers.

 

[perryj74]

But if you honestly felt going in that our talent level was such that we would win four or fewer games in conference, then that stands, I'm afraid, as an indictment of Coach Capel. After four years at the helm (entering this season), there's simply no excuse for allowing the cupboard to be that bare.

I hope to never see another season of Sooner basketball in which our fans cite a five-win conference campaign as a season of overachievement. It's like the baseball closer who blows a six-run lead in the top of the ninth, but gets the win when his team rallies in the bottom of the inning.

And for this reason I have no problem should Joe C. decide it is time for Capel to go. I'm truly on the fence here. I'm going to be content no matter which way this thing plays out. Truth is next year isn't going to be a banner year no matter what decision is made. It's 2013 that the decision is being made for. Can Capel have us back in the top 3rd of the conference with a legit shot at the Sweet 16? If Joe C. doesn't feel he can, then a change needs to be made.

 

[skyvue]

And for this reason I have no problem should Joe C. decide it is time for Capel to go. I'm truly on the fence here. I'm going to be content no matter which way this thing plays out. Truth is next year isn't going to be a banner year no matter what decision is made. It's 2013 that the decision is being made for. Can Capel have us back in the top 3rd of the conference with a legit shot at the Sweet 16? If Joe C. doesn't feel he can, then a change needs to be made.

I'm with you, though I might be leaning just the tiniest bit toward making the move to a new coach.

But ask me tomorrow, and I might be leaning the tiniest bit the other way.