Coaching

[WTSooner]

What I don't understand is why people keep bringing this guy up? He hasn't coached here since 2011 and we just graduated the last 2 guys he recruited. Let's drop him. Joe C. got over him 3 years ago. Why can't we?


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You don't like it, don't read the thread.

We still talk about Billy. When did he last coach at OU? Kelvin still gets discussed, and was discussed well into Capel's tenure. I'm sure NC fans still talk about Dean Smith. I wasn't aware of some rule that we couldn't discuss things pertaining to OU basketball after a certain time period. I thought the comparison to Ollie was interesting. So I made it.

 

[campbest]

I can't believe you are still trying to rationalize the abortion named Jeff Capel. The dude is so bad of a coach that he isn't even getting a sniff at a lower job. He's also so bad of an asst that Duke has lost in the first round 2 out of the last 3 years.

By no means a Capel fan, but this just goes against facts and common sense.

1.) He was considered for the Wake Forest job per Goodman and Norlander. Personally wouldn't hire him for an ACC job, but if I am a low to mid major, would definitely be calling him. Not many schools of that stature have a shot at an Elite Eight and Duke assistant.

2.) Losses to Lehigh and Mercer are Capels fault...the second or third assistant on the bench? So should we blame Steve Henson for this NDSU debacle?

 

[KBaden145]

You don't like it, don't read the thread.

Typical. I just think we spend wasted time on this board talking about him and that other school, which are my only real issues with this message board and the people who post here. Whatever. Congratulations on your brilliant observation, WT. I know you have many to share.


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[bgrch1350]

Really good players (Griffin, Napier) make coaches look good.

That's not a knock on Ollie, but when you have the best player in the tournament, anything can happen. Lets not forget, UCONN was 30 seconds away from losing to St. Joe's in the first round before the Martelli's team pulled a complete choke job.

Sampson didn't leave anybody for Capel

Ollie was left with Napier Boatright and Daniels; enough said

 

[WTSooner]

Typical. I just think we spend wasted time on this board talking about him and that other school, which are my only real issues with this message board and the people who post here. Whatever. Congratulations on your brilliant observation, WT. I know you have many to share.


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It's not like my post brought him up for no reason. I didn't start a Capel thread just to say he sucked, or that whatever played out reason. I genuinely thought the comparison to Ollie, and what he has accomplished with a relative lack of coaching experience, made for an interesting comparison/discussion.

If you don't think so, like I said, avoid the thread. It's not like we have TONS of OU related stuff to discuss right now.

 

[Northbase]

Another example. If you put Billy Tubbs' resume before OU next to Capel's before OU, I'm not sure that on paper Capel's isn't more impressive. Especially if you adjust for the era of ball that we're talking about, and you give some value to Capel's playing career at Duke, for Coach K.

And the Tubbs hire worked out okay for OU.

Silly observation. Study your demographics.

 

[DenverSooner]

Especially if you adjust for the era of ball that we're talking about, and you give some value to Capel's playing career at Duke, for Coach K.

And the Tubbs hire worked out okay for OU.

Why would that have value? Lots of guys have played a big programs for well known coaches and not been successful coaches.

 

[KBaden145]

It's not like my post brought him up for no reason. I didn't start a Capel thread just to say he sucked, or that whatever played out reason. I genuinely thought the comparison to Ollie, and what he has accomplished with a relative lack of coaching experience, made for an interesting comparison/discussion.



If you don't think so, like I said, avoid the thread. It's not like we have TONS of OU related stuff to discuss right now.

I see the comparison and I don't disagree. As I said there are a couple of very tiring topics on this board for me and this is one. Of all people, you are the last person I thought would revisit this for the umpteenth time.


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[SoonerBounce13]

You weren't well informed on the charachter of these guys. Unfortunately a few of the less talented guys also were very bad people.
TMG may be the worst person to ever wear a Sooner uniform.

oh please

 

[Romulus]

By no means a Capel fan, but this just goes against facts and common sense.

1.) He was considered for the Wake Forest job per Goodman and Norlander. Personally wouldn't hire him for an ACC job, but if I am a low to mid major, would definitely be calling him. Not many schools of that stature have a shot at an Elite Eight and Duke assistant.

2.) Losses to Lehigh and Mercer are Capels fault...the second or third assistant on the bench? So should we blame Steve Henson for this NDSU debacle?

I was joking about number 2. He is a bit of a jinx you have to admit

 

[campbest]

I was joking about number 2. He is a bit of a jinx you have to admit

Agreed...but I will take my chance with him as an assistant if players like Jabari Parker really like him.

 

[campbest]

Sampson didn't leave anybody for Capel

Ollie was left with Napier Boatright and Daniels; enough said

He did leave 2 of the 5 starters, and most importantly, the brother of the NPOY. It's not an identical comparison, but there are quite a few similarities.

I would even argue, without Brimah as a rim protector (he blocks over 15% of the shots at the rim while in the game, disrupts countless more) UCONN doesn't make it that far. You have to have a defensive presence at the rim now, and Brimah was an Ollie recruit.

 

[WaymanFan]

It's not like my post brought him up for no reason. I didn't start a Capel thread just to say he sucked, or that whatever played out reason. I genuinely thought the comparison to Ollie, and what he has accomplished with a relative lack of coaching experience, made for an interesting comparison/discussion.

If you don't think so, like I said, avoid the thread. It's not like we have TONS of OU related stuff to discuss right now.

You don't owe anyone an explanation for the thread. Obviously, someone is interested because it's getting a lot of replies.

Billy Tubbs did have a better resume than Jeff Capel at the time they were hired on two accounts. One, Billy had recently guided Lamar into the Sweet 16. That was an era which upsets weren't quite as frequent as now...still parity, but not as much as today. Also, Billy had southwest roots, Jeff had southEAST roots.

As for Ollie, time will tell if he'll be able to keep UConn at a high level...early indications are he will based on his team really coming together at the right time. Finally, back to Jeff. I think he'll get another job in the next two years...but it won't be better than what VCU is now (which is pretty darn good).

 

[Big Old Booger]

Another example. If you put Billy Tubbs' resume before OU next to Capel's before OU, I'm not sure that on paper Capel's isn't more impressive. Especially if you adjust for the era of ball that we're talking about, and you give some value to Capel's playing career at Duke, for Coach K.

And the Tubbs hire worked out okay for OU.

You are too young so you don't remember Lamar before Tubbs came to OU. Not to mention, look at Lamar after he left and since he left and look at VCU before Capel and after he left.

I'm not even going to mention the state of the program when Tubbs was hired as opposed to Capels hiring.

You need to back this truck up and start over because you are way off here.

 

[Big Old Booger]

Billy Tubbs did have a better resume than Jeff Capel at the time they were hired on two accounts. One, Billy had recently guided Lamar into the Sweet 16. That was an era which upsets weren't quite as frequent as now...still parity, but not as much as today. Also, Billy had southwest roots, Jeff had southEAST roots.

Exactly.

 

[Big Old Booger]

What Ollie did last night and the last few weeks is impressive. No other way to say it.

However, that program still has questions:

(1) How much of that talent last night was/is his? (I have no clue because I haven't looked) I'm guessing most of it was Calhoun's who was pretty good at building rosters. So, will Ollie be able to recruit to keep that program as successful as Calhoun did? Especially considering their conference affiliation?

(2) Conference affiliation? Seems UConn may have a tough time recruiting against all their old BE rivals who are now in the new BE and the schools now in the ACC. How much of an impact will that have going forward?

(3) Why were they a 7 seed? Preseason they were ranked 18 and 19. How did they slip from a 4-5 seed at that time to a 7 seed? That would concern me if I were a UConn fan looking forward.

Regarding the OP, I fail to see the comparison. I've said a million times my problem with the Capel hire was Joe C trying to hire on the cheap. He handed a top 25 program to an unproven coach on the cheap. The OU program at the time was needing a hire to help make that next step in continuing to build the program. Not to mention the program is located in a state that does not produce top basketball talent or near a metro area that produces top basketball talent. So, this coach would need ties to a logical recruiting area (Texas). Instead, as another poster mentioned Capel's roots were in the SE part of the country. Unlike UConn which is located in a very talent rich area of the country.

 

[bocabull]

I'm always around to defend Capel from unfair criticism. He's much better than most around here will acknowledge.

But Ollie is elite. He would have an NBA head job at the drop of a hat if he wanted. He played 13 years in the association and has guys from Lebron James to Larry Brown singing his praises. He's a superstar that when combined with the Uconn brand the sky is the limit.

 

[skyvue]

Sampson didn't leave anybody for Capel

Ollie was left with Napier Boatright and Daniels; enough said

This old trope again.

Sampson left virtually everybody on the Elite Eight team for Capel, except for BG. He also left Scotty Reynolds and Damion James.

Obviously, BG was a huge key to that team's success, but he wasn't playing alone. And if one is inclined to dismiss the contributions of Sampson's players, one should dismiss Capel's role in that team's success, too, given how little his teams accomplished without BG.

 

[DenverSooner]

Capel was left a lot more than Capel left Kruger. The elite 8 team was Capel's third year and still included three Sampson players as starters in T. Griffin, Crocker and AJ.

Sampson left Longar, Michael Neal, T. Griffin, Godbold, Crocker, Keith Clark, Nate Carter and AJ. That was a solid 8 man rotation and had Capel been able to keep the recruiting class it would have included Reynolds and James.

Capel left Fitzgerald, Pledger, Neal, Osby and Blair. I think there is a big difference.

Regardless of players Sampson left a team that was used to winning and working hard. Capel left a team that was used to losing.

 

[bocabull]

(2) Conference affiliation? Seems UConn may have a tough time recruiting against all their old BE rivals who are now in the new BE and the schools now in the ACC. How much of an impact will that have going forward?

This is a mythical issue.

"Hey, I'm Kevin Ollie, head coach of Uconn, we just won our 4th national title, most of any program in the past 16 years. You probably saw us against Kentucky with Ray Allen & Rip Hamilton cheering us on. Andre Drummond? Yeah he went here too. I played 13 years in the NBA. You probably saw Lebron's tweet pulling for us. Anyway, you want to come here and compete for titles and go on deep runs in March to showcase your NBA skills? Because if you would rather attend Missouri and chant SEC I understand. O, you never heard of them? Cool cool".