Could Fitz, M'Baye, and Osby all start next year?

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I haven't seen M'Baye play yet, but some feel he can play on the perimeter.

Is that really legit? Can he guard the other teams' wing guy? Guess they could have a really big/athletic zone though with those guys though.

But for those who have seen M'Baye, do you think those three could mesh together? Or will one of them (most likely Fitz) come off the bench?
 
I am guessing we will try that line-up at some point next season. It puts the most talent on the court. If the line-up meshes it could be really great. Otherwise we'll have a really talented 6th man.
 
The only times you'll see Fitz coming off the bench next year is after Coach Kruger has given him a breather.
 
Depends on who we are playing. More combos is a good recipe for success.

And starting doesn't matter. Minutes played and whose in the last 5 minutes is where your bread is buttered.
 
I think there are two guys that you can pencil in as starters: Pledge and Osby.
I think there are two guys that likely start: Grooms and Fitzgerald.
I think there are two guys that will battle for time: Cam and M'Baye.

Pure speculation, but I also think I see a situation very similar to Cal looming, and I don't like thinking about it. Cal get's us at least one more W this season already IMHO.
 
The only times you'll see Fitz coming off the bench next year is after Coach Kruger has given him a breather.

While Fitz may start I would think if M'Baye is a good as some think then I would expect to see the minutes for him and Osby go down just a bit as the season wears on. However I think with rest and few fouls to worry about I think their production goes up. You know it would be nice to be the team with fresh legs at the end of a game. I hope that these three together will be greather than the sum of their parts so to speak.
 
Depends on who we are playing. More combos is a good recipe for success.

And starting doesn't matter. Minutes played and whose in the last 5 minutes is where your bread is buttered.

Yup, I bet Fitz and Osby will start most games because they're the incumbents but I suspect that all three will log 25-30 minutes.
 
I really think OU will be a better team next year if we can avoid starting those three together. Starting M'Baye on the wing doesn't really help us become a more athletic, or better rebounding team in the paint. If M'Baye is guarding a wing, he is going to be out near the 3 point line most of the time when a shot goes up. Fitz and Osby would still be the two primary rebounders.

Also, I've said it before, taking a big that has a decent/good outside game for a big, and trying to convert said player to a wing doesn't always work. Most of the time it doesn't work. We switch on all guard/guard screens right now. Do we really want M'Baye chasing point guards and shooting guards around the 3 point line? I sure don't.

I HOPE Cam or one of the other guards steps up and makes this a moot point. I will say, however, that if we can't find better play at the 3 spot then we have so far this year, LK will probably be inclined to try playing those three together. I don't think that will be option 1 or 2 though.
 
College basketball does not have a union that bestows the privledge of senority on players. Also, in sports there is no such thing as tenure. The current starters are the current starters for no other reason than that they are the current best option.

I don't think that anyone really thinks that this team is going to do any better than 8-10 in the conference. Worse is a greater possibility than better. I think that most people think that OU will miss the tourney for the 3rd straight year. If that in fact is the type of result this team gets, there is nothing in the way of a resume builder in that for any individual.

Especially within the process of a coaching transition, next season's current best options will be the starters. As far as Fitz,Osby, Pledger, and Cam, Kruger didn't recruit those guys. They may or may not posess a well rounder skill set that Kruger wants his players to have. He may or may not have recruited any of them. They may or may not be equiped to play Kruger's style of basketball going forward.

There will be 5 new Kruger guys and mayby 6 coming in for next season. They are his guys. In his minds eye, they fit the profile of what he wants in a basketball player. I know he wants those guys on his team. He picked them.

If someone wants to pick Osby for example and say that he has done enough on a team that fell below Kruger's standards to be a starter next season. Well, that is a fair and resonable arguement. If someone wanted to say that their favorite player's age and experience should give them the edge in competition for next years starting 5. That is a fair arguement too.

But, if the competition is close, the Kruger guy will get the nod over the left over Capel guy. If at whatever position Kruger thinks M'baye fits best, if the competition is close. M'baye will start and last years guy will be on the bench. If one of the two incoming freshman guards pops big, then Pledger or Cam get to be a good 6th man. The Kruger guy will start over the Capel guy if he is the best. And the Kruger guy wins ties. To dimiss that, is dismissing human nature.
 
I don't think it really matters. Lets say that M'Baye can't adequately defend the 3 for an entire game but can get by for a few minutes a game. If that is the case OU may essentially have 6 starters. M'Baye gets 10 minutes to rest Fitz, 10 minutes to rest Osby, and 10 minutes to rest Cam. All four guys play 30 minutes a game. Obviously it won't work out perfect like that but the point is if M'Baye can play a few minutes at the 3, he can play around 30 minutes a game even if he doesn't start. Osby has defended quick guys on the perimeter this year so even if M'Baye cannot possibly do it, Osby can. When OU goes to its bench for a big guy they are going to get production next year. That doesn't exist this year.

The only thing we don't know is whehter Hield and/or Hornbeak will be able to contribute at an effective level but I think they will. History suggest they will. Tim Heskett, AJ, Hollis Price, Lawrence McKensie, Tony Crocker, Cam Clark, David Godbold, WW, TMG, Drew Lavendar, DeAngelo Alexander and several others all did as freshman. About the only guys (backcourt players) that didn't over the last several years were Tony Neysmith, Ray Willis and Blake Johnston. In Blake's defense he had QUannas and Hollis in front of him playing big minutes. I am confident one of the two will be able to make a noticeable ocntribution. I hope both do but OU is going to be so deep next year there might not be enough minutes for both guys to make a significant contribution.

One other thing I will say about next year is that I truly believe and expect that both Osby and Grooms will be significantly improved. Virtually all transfers that have played like these two guys have shown noticeable improvement from their junior to senior seasons. I would note it will be difficult for Osby to signfiicantly improve due to the fact he is playing so well but I am confident he will be improved. I think Grooms will significantly improve.

I really think we will see Grooms shoot a little more as a senior and make a higher percentage of those shots. At this point in the season he is shooting at .333 and averaging 6.5 per game. I look for him to average about 8.5 a game,shoot at .400 or above, play better defense and make better decisions on offense (he has made good decisions this year but I think it will be better).

Everything is in place for OU to have a really good season next year. M'Baye and minor improvements for the top 7 guys this year alone is a good team. I am positive that Hield, Hornbeak and Henry will be better than Honore and Washington.

I have said it numerous times but very few teams have a backup pg like Carl Blair. Some might have a young guy that is more talented but they generally won't have a guy with his experience. This kid has played a lot of college basketball, including two seasons as a starting pg. He is going to help OU next season even if his only job is to rest Grooms for about 7 minutes a game.
 
Pledger, Fitz, Osby and Grooms are virtually locks to start next season. It is possible that Fitz or Osby comes of the bench simply because OU will likely have the equivalent of three starting forwards in M'Baye, Osby and Fitz but it is much more likely that M'Baye comes off the bench or starts at the 3 (and I don't think he will start at the 3).

Pledger is averaging 17.8 per game. He is a top 10 scorer in the conference. Actually he is significantly higher than top 10. He is currently playing at an All Big XII level.

http://www.big12sports.com/ViewContent.dbml?&DB_OEM_ID=10410&CONTENT_ID=180741
 
IF!! M'baye is as some have said, our best player, either Fitz or Clark will be coming off the bench. Plain and simple. I can't see Lon bring his best player off the bench. It just depends on if M'baye can play on the perimeter. We'll see who the starters are come conference play next year. I've never seen him in person just some highlights, but based on the word of some reputable posters my starting five is:

Grooms
Pledger
M'baye
Osby
Fitz

Clark first of the bench.
 
Ultimately it doesn't matter. I think everyone agrees compared to this year OU is much better because they will have a solid 6th man. It doesn't matter if it is M'Baye, Osby, Fitz or Clark. OU will be able to bring offensive production from the bench and doesn't have that ability this year.
 
M'baye = James Harden next year. Probably should start, but Carl's Jr avgs 3 oops a game to M'baye, and our 2nd unit dominates! If the other 3 freshman can contribute on the perimeter, I have a feeling about this team and a serious run for the Big 12 title.
 
Ultimately it doesn't matter. I think everyone agrees compared to this year OU is much better because they will have a solid 6th man. It doesn't matter if it is M'Baye, Osby, Fitz or Clark. OU will be able to bring offensive production from the bench and doesn't have that ability this year.

Agreed
 
Ultimately it doesn't matter. I think everyone agrees compared to this year OU is much better because they will have a solid 6th man. It doesn't matter if it is M'Baye, Osby, Fitz or Clark. OU will be able to bring offensive production from the bench and doesn't have that ability this year.

Totally agree. The first two or three players off the bench in our rotation will be just as important as the starting five. With the addtion of M'Baye, Henry, Hield and Hornbeak, next year's roster should go at least seven deep with players who are capable of starting, even if the three freshmen aren't in the mix. It's a good problem to have. Quality depth at every position that we don't have this year.
 
We already ran off one guy who was better.

Lol at all the Calvin Newell love now that he's gone. I'm sorry but he wouldn't had made a significant difference on this season.
 
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