Doolittle

[AdaSooner]

I have a really solid source that that says that he failed to cite 1 paragraph on a paper. Prof turned him in for plagiarism...which was their right. Obviously, Kristian should have taken care of business better, but hardly an issue that can't be recovered from.

Just to be clear, if he's not allowed to be enrolled at the university, it was probably academic misconduct rather than failing to make grades.

If he was able to maintain his eligibility in the spring, I believe the worst thing that is possible is that he would be ineligible to play in the fall.

As somebody who was placed on academic probation in his time at OU, I can tell you that you get a warning semester after being placed on probation, and then need to keep your GPA above a certain point, before you're straight up kicked out of school. If he was eligible to play in the spring, that means he couldn't have been placed on probation until AFTER the spring, so he would be enrolled in OU, on probation and ineligible to play basketball this fall.

Basically that was just a lot of words to say he probably didn't fail to keep his grades up, he probably got caught cheating.

This is a mistake students make far too often. It's so easy to take a shortcut, or it could've even been just an oversight on Kristian's part, but it's still plagiarism. It's a mistake he'll learn from and then he'll be back with the team.

I'm also glad to see OU take a strong stand against plagiarism and also glad that they decided that suspension, rather than expulsion, was appropriate. Give kids a chance to learn from their mistakes. It's an honor code violation but, ultimately, such an easy one to make, even by accident. A warning would've been too light but expulsion too much.

Guys, thanks for clearing the air by sharing what you know about the mistake Kristian made! That should put an end to any speculation from this point forward.

 

[SoonerBred]

This is a mistake students make far too often. It's so easy to take a shortcut, or it could've even been just an oversight on Kristian's part, but it's still plagiarism. It's a mistake he'll learn from and then he'll be back with the team.

I'm also glad to see OU take a strong stand against plagiarism and also glad that they decided that suspension, rather than expulsion, was appropriate. Give kids a chance to learn from their mistakes. It's an honor code violation but, ultimately, such an easy one to make, even by accident. A warning would've been too light but expulsion too much.

I seriously doubt it was something that petty. That's worth a deduct on a paper not a suspension. It had to be academic misconduct to be suspended from school this quickly.

 

[Postman77]

I seriously doubt it was something that petty. That's worth a deduct on a paper not a suspension. It had to be academic misconduct to be suspended from school this quickly.

Plagiarism IS an academic integrity issue. The info is legit...backed by three sources.

 

[coolm]

Plagiarism IS academic misconduct. The info is legit...backed by three sources.

I have no doubt postman is 100% correct. that makes perfect sense given the timing of all this.

after what transpired at UNC and some other places I am dammm glad to see how OU jumped on this quickly and this was the end result. nice job by admin and staff. I am sure this will be a good lesson to use for student-athletes in the future!

 

[vbdad]

It wasn't a grade issue. I don't know the particulars but Postman is in the right ballpark.

I haven't heard if he will go to juco for some credits in the fall or not. He doesn't have to do it. In the past you were eligible the day the semester ended if you were back in school. It may now be something more about when class starts or something that makes the return a bit later. I don't understand and hope he is eligible before the holidays.

I'm betting that Mr. Doolittle as the father will make an impression on the youngster. All accounts I've heard he and mom are upstanding people and will keep Kristan doing the right thing.

 

[Larry72]

I have no doubt postman is 100% correct. that makes perfect sense given the timing of all this.

after what transpired at UNC and some other places I am dammm glad to see how OU jumped on this quickly and this was the end result. nice job by admin and staff. I am sure this will be a good lesson to use for student-athletes in the future!

If this happened at UNC, it would be brushed under the rug.

 

[Laxtothemax12]

If this happened at UNC, it would be brushed under the rug.

*The professor would have edited the citation with an even better scholarly source to earn an A...

 

[AdaSooner]

If this happened at UNC, it would be brushed under the rug.

UNC is not the only one. He wouldn't have missed a game if he was at KU.

 

[coolm]

UNC is not the only one. He wouldn't have missed a game if he was at KU.

certainly. there's been so many of these paper incidents the last decade or so and many have revealed their true colors.

I mean ... the ones we actually know about were like UNC, Rutgers, CSU-Fullerton, Clemson, UOakland, LSU, WKU, Duke, Fresno State, Dartmouth ... it's ugly.

 

[AdaSooner]

Lon believes in tough love. But I'm glad he's our coach!

 

[BCSooners]

Wow this seems really harsh if it was for 1 paragraph on 1 paper.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

This is a mistake students make far too often. It's so easy to take a shortcut, or it could've even been just an oversight on Kristian's part, but it's still plagiarism. It's a mistake he'll learn from and then he'll be back with the team.

I'm also glad to see OU take a strong stand against plagiarism and also glad that they decided that suspension, rather than expulsion, was appropriate. Give kids a chance to learn from their mistakes. It's an honor code violation but, ultimately, such an easy one to make, even by accident. A warning would've been too light but expulsion too much.

surely this wasn't the first time he plagiarized...punishment can't be that strict can it?

 

[SoonerBounce13]

I have no doubt postman is 100% correct. that makes perfect sense given the timing of all this.

after what transpired at UNC and some other places I am dammm glad to see how OU jumped on this quickly and this was the end result. nice job by admin and staff. I am sure this will be a good lesson to use for student-athletes in the future!

kicking a kid out of school for a semester for not citing one source does not seem fair...especially considering he was a high level student athlete. There has to be more than this.

This has to go on everywhere...OU needs to slack off their reigns a bit if this is really what got him expelled (assuming he hadn't been warned in the past). I can't imagine any other high level university doing this except OU (just like spaghetti gate)

 

[WTSooner]

So he wrote an entire paper, and ONE paragraph wasn't cited, and he is suspended for a semester?

Gotta be more to the story than that.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

So he wrote an entire paper, and ONE paragraph wasn't cited, and he is suspended for a semester?

Gotta be more to the story than that.

maybe it was a really long paragraph on a final paper:facepalm

but yeah, either this wasn't his first or even second offense or it was a big assignment and they were warned repeatedly not to plagiarize.

 

[hoopsaustin]

So he wrote an entire paper, and ONE paragraph wasn't cited, and he is suspended for a semester?

Gotta be more to the story than that.

Exactly

 

[TheGimper]

So he wrote an entire paper, and ONE paragraph wasn't cited, and he is suspended for a semester?

Gotta be more to the story than that.

Most professors would issue an admonition that goes on record if it was a single violation. Suspension usually doesn't happen unless it's repeated (could only be one more incident). So likely he was warned, it was filed with the university that he had this incident, and then the second time it happened further action was taken.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

probably some butthurt TA that got stiffed by a basketball player

 

[coolm]

10 years back or so I was hired by a firm in a major city to investigate and report on a local player for an NFL team prior to the draft. Their entire problem was determining the veracity of claims just like the ones you guys are making here. At least 2 teams didnt even bother to investigate and passed him over in favor of other players.

I tell you this because any time I try to get posters to refrain from negative speculation you guys give me a hard time about it. I am hoping that you guys understand that these little comments you come up with DO potentially have deleterious effects on these players and their careers.

No, it doesnt have to have been anything else that he did additionally. And your unfounded negative speculation does nothing but potentially harm a young man just starting off his life.

Please have some consideration for the players. If you dont think these comments get out and can have an impact you are way off. Saying he "must have" done something more is just more dangerous a statement than it is worth. Speculate in the positive direction if you must.

/soapbox

 

[Sooner04]

Well, then, don't cheat. Do the crime, do the time. It's college, and if you try and pull that stuff with the wrong professor you'll be pursued to the ends of the earth until the punishment is handed down.