Down Goes Baylor

[okcsooner83]

Ford has ostate headed in the right direction, not only can he coach but he can recruit well. A couple years ago it looked like ou was headed in the right direction, but now ou is in the bottom of the big 12 while ostate is making the tournament.

 

[bocabull]

At 41 years old Ford has 1 tournament win in his entire career. Capel is 6 years younger and has already been to the elite 8. Capel has a much better job at a better program. Ford would trade jobs with Capel in a heartbeat. Capel already revealed his thoughts about the "hellhole".

 

[NickZepp]

Ford has only been there like 3 years. And has far less talent than Capel had to start.

 

[campbest]

The only real factual thing mentioned in this thread is that Klay Thompson is a baller.

 

[MVPx2]

What is Capel's record without Blake Griffin? What is his record in the NCAA tournament without him?

 

[Cheno]

Baylor loses again to Florida St. Scott Drew was outcoached by Leonard Hamilton. Leonard Hamilton. LOL

Baylor this is the top 25....nice knowing you!!!!!

 

[HoHum]

Leonard Hamilton is the O.G. Scott Drew.

Eddie Sutton probably had his most talented team at OSU when he arrived in the early 90's, because the awesome talent Hamilton had gotten to Stillwater but couldn't coach up.

 

[jrich02]

What is Capel's record without Blake Griffin? What is his record in the NCAA tournament without him?

and we'll see what ford does without james anderson who ford didn't even recruit. and let's not act like osu was good last year just because they made the tournament. they finished 7th in the league with anderson.

 

[MVPx2]

That's what I thought. Can't even answer the question.

How good is Drew looking tonight Baylor fans?

 

[DFWHoopster]

That's what I thought. Can't even answer the question.

How good is Drew looking tonight Baylor fans?

the same as he looked after the Gonzaga and Washington State losses. Florida State is about equal to them. Baylor led in all those games under 4 minutes. The team is struggling. Lots of talent but only Dunn and Acy have the aggressive streak that you need. Walton has that on defense but he's still learning his way running the team.

Perry Jones, Anthony Jones, Bobo Morgan, Fred Ellis and Nolan Dennis are way too tentative. If the coaches don't find a way to cure that, they won't be a good team. They may be an NIT team this year. They'll have to win 10 in conference to go to the NCAAs and that might be a tall order for this squad. That is why you didn't see me on this board pumping them pre-season. I was pumping Acy but not the team. I knew the expectations were probably going to lead to disappointment without another good shooter at guard.

But after saying all that, Dunn has shot 32% from the field in their losses. He's struggled and very few of those shots were "bad" shots. If he shoots his normal career 45%+ from the field, Baylor wins all three of those games.

Coaching gets blamed for winning and losing. But it usually boils down to finding good players and then putting players in positions to make plays. They either make them or they don't. I don't consider Izzo to be a terrible coach because his team is struggling.

 

[Cheno]

I don't consider Izzo to be a terrible coach because his team is struggling.

That's because Izzo has done something. Drew, with the exception of last year, has not done a thing. Last year was the first year he's won an NCAA tourney game. Izzo is a legend.

This team has WAAAY too much talent to ONCE AGAIN be under-achieving.
They are so athletic it makes no sense to me to sit back in that zone all the time. IMO, Drew is a great recruiter and a below average coach. He's never done anything to convince me otherwise.

 

[DFWHoopster]

That's because Izzo has done something. Drew, with the exception of last year, has not done a thing. Last year was the first year he's won an NCAA tourney game. Izzo is a legend.

This team has WAAAY too much talent to ONCE AGAIN be under-achieving.
They are so athletic it makes no sense to me to sit back in that zone all the time. IMO, Drew is a great recruiter and a below average coach. He's never done anything to convince me otherwise.

If Baylor beats Kansas in Waco in January would you be convinced? Because you would admit that Kansas' talent is a lot better than Baylor's talent wouldn't you? Kansas is playing 6 top 25 in the nation type recruits and Baylor is playing 1, maybe 2 if you want to count Dunn (he was borderline). Surely, a superior coach with superior talent (Self) wouldn't go into Waco and get upset by an underachieving coach would he?

 

[SuperHoops]

Did Lace's arrest and subsequent suspension negatively affect team chemistry?

 

[5hrenergy]

If Baylor beats Kansas in Waco in January would you be convinced? Because you would admit that Kansas' talent is a lot better than Baylor's talent wouldn't you? Kansas is playing 6 top 25 in the nation type recruits and Baylor is playing 1, maybe 2 if you want to count Dunn (he was borderline). Surely, a superior coach with superior talent (Self) wouldn't go into Waco and get upset by an underachieving coach would he?

Now I like a good debate as much as the next guy but use factual statments. 6 top 25 guys? My count has Selby and thats it. Johnson and Robinson were close as was Marcus Morris, but only Selby was a top 25 player. Kansas has 1 McDonald's AA and he's a freshman. that's not to say they aren't loaded with talent though.

 

[DenverSooner]

Leonard Hamilton is the O.G. Scott Drew.

Eddie Sutton probably had his most talented team at OSU when he arrived in the early 90's, because the awesome talent Hamilton had gotten to Stillwater but couldn't coach up.

Hamilton was actually doing a respectable jobt in Stillwater. He was bringing in good players and winning at home. He just never got his teams to win on the road in conference play.

 

[campbest]

If Baylor beats Kansas in Waco in January would you be convinced? Because you would admit that Kansas' talent is a lot better than Baylor's talent wouldn't you? Kansas is playing 6 top 25 in the nation type recruits and Baylor is playing 1, maybe 2 if you want to count Dunn (he was borderline). Surely, a superior coach with superior talent (Self) wouldn't go into Waco and get upset by an underachieving coach would he?

Name them.

 

[topcat]

I read on here in a post by DFW that Walton was a "stone cold baller."

Why is a stone cold baller struggling against average teams?


Baylor has plenty of question marks. But PG is not one. AJ Walton is a stone cold baller. I'm much less confident of Baylor's team this year than I was last year heading into the season. But I am very confident that if AJ Walton, Lace Dunn and Quincy Acy stay healthy... those three will be the most productive players on Baylor's team (and yes I'm including Perry Jones in this thinking).

AJ Walton might lead the big12 in steals and he may contend for the assists title as well (with John Roberson). He will log heavy minutes. He has improved his shot tremendously. Baylor will need Nolan Dennis or Stargell Love to provide quality minutes at guard to be successful. But they will have the best starting backcourt in the conference.

 

[Cheno]

If Baylor beats Kansas in Waco in January would you be convinced? Because you would admit that Kansas' talent is a lot better than Baylor's talent wouldn't you? Kansas is playing 6 top 25 in the nation type recruits and Baylor is playing 1, maybe 2 if you want to count Dunn (he was borderline). Surely, a superior coach with superior talent (Self) wouldn't go into Waco and get upset by an underachieving coach would he?

:facepalm Do you even know your team? LOL. Jeez, you've been here pimping how great the players are the last year or two now you throw them under the bus. What happened to that foreign guy that was "dominating" practice? Seriously. To say KU has a lot better talent than Baylor is a joke. To say KU is playing 6 top 25 guys is a joke. KU has one MCDAA on the entire team and he's played 2 games. A quick look at the rankings and the only guys in the top 30 on KU's roster were Selby, Thomas Robinson and Elijah Johnson.
To say Baylor is has 1 maybe 2 top 25 guys is a joke if you are going to say KU has 6. The fact is Perry Jones was #9. Lace Dunn was #24. J'Mison Morgan was #23. Anthony Jones was #30. LOL. In the Morris twins class you have two bigs (Morgan & Jones) who were rated higher than both of them. Tyshawn Taylor was the #83 rated player. Nolan Dennis for you was #62. The truth of the matter is when looking at rankings KU and Baylor are very similar. The truth of the matter is it doesn't look that way on the court because KU does a GREAT job of developing players. Baylor does a piss poor job of it because Drew can't coach. He rolls the ball out there and says go play. If Bill Self is coaching this years Baylors team they have maybe 1 loss.
Don't hype up Baylors individual talent like you have the last few years and then come back and say its not that good to try and make your boy Drew look good. We aren't stupid around here.

And KU could very easily lose at Baylor. It's one game. And your national championship game at that. KU lost at OSU last year. They lost by 19 at a sorry Texas Tech the year before that. The year we won it all in '08 we lost to an inferior OSU team as well. It's one game. Do it over a season if you want respect. One game don't mean squat.

 

[seniorsooner]

Is this pissing match still ongoing?

 

[DFWHoopster]

I was abused on this thread. Good job topcat. I did think AJ would be a lot better. He might turn out to be good, but so far he's been rough.

And when I rattled off the 6 top 25 recruits for Kansas, I was thinking Morris twins, Withey, Selby, Burkins and Taylor. A few of those were 4-star types and not as highly rated as I thought. And I forgot Bobo Morgan was a 5-star coming out of HS. Guess the prognosticators missed on that like they did on Withey.