Doyel article

[OKhoops]

http://www.cbssports.com/columns/st...ere?tag=globalNav.collegebasketball;headlines

 

[thebigabd]

Yikes.

 

[Max Power]

Alright, more negative press, and ammo for the haters

 

[NickZepp]

I don't see us ever getting that bad a punishment for this deal but if we do then Capel will be fired. There's really no other option. If we get put on that serious probation even if it's not his fault it's under his watch and I can't think of any coach to survive something like that.

 

[oSuJeff97]

My prediction for this thread:

 

[Max Power]

can i please go to sleep tonight, wake up and it be november so we can focus on basketball

 

[sooner333]

Ouch. I disagree with his last statement about this being essentially the worst-case deserving of the death penalty (especially because football and basketball are mixed together to get to that point), but he paints a pretty bleak picture otherwise. The sad thing is, it doesn't necessarily seem unwarranted.

 

[thebigabd]

Alright, more negative press, and ammo for the haters

Why are some people haters? That is the more dividing issue on this board than people assuming negative results from this. The "negative" folks on the board make valid, logical assumptions considering what we know at this time. What is wrong with expressing that?

If you assume that something bad is happening (which everyone in the United States other than a few on this board is) then you get called out, accused of not being a fan, and even warned by the powers that be to take it easy.

None of which pertains the issue at hand, I might add.

I don't understand why we can't exchange opinions based on what we know without all the above mentioned BS.

 

[r2b1]

all this is really starting to make my @$$ ache.

 

[aaron7]

Why does Willie Warren's name keep coming up in every story on this subject? Is it just because he met Hausinger at LeBron's camp? His name was in a tweet from Hausinger? Is there any connection with Willie and the accusations of wrong-doing? I don't remember any, and it is extremely unfair for his name to continue to be lumped into the Tiny Gallon situation.

 

[sooner333]

On the issue of "haters," I really don't think this is a message board problem. I think most people feel that way...not hating the program, but seeing the situation and not feeling like it's going to end well. Of the people I've talked to not of the message board "crowd" about this situation, there aren't many people who are thinking positively. I've been in multiple situations where OU basketball has come up and it's more of "are they going to field a team" than "let's wait and see."

I feel like I can love this basketball team, program, and everything else about it, but still be able to look at this situation and predict it's not going to end well. I also don't think that makes me less of a fan. I hope I'm wrong, and if I'm right I certainly will take no satisfaction in it because of what this program means to me.

 

[skyvue]

I feel like I can love this basketball team, program, and everything else about it, but still be able to look at this situation and predict it's not going to end well. I also don't think that makes me less of a fan. I hope I'm wrong, and if I'm right I certainly will take no satisfaction in it because of what this program means to me.

Bingo.

 

[Hollisp]

Its def. a stretch IMO to warrant the death penalty. There are far worse things happening in college athletics. But, if it turns out to be true, we should get some punishment, b/c its warranted. Now, Im also smart enough to realize, just as the author is, that OU is a big fish and if this were happening to High Point they would get hammered more than we will.

 

[cowboysooner]

First, universities have absolutely no way of preventing misconduct by athletes in the first instance. If they take money, food or anything else and lie about it there is nothing and I mean nothing anyone can do to prevent this from happening.

All a University can do is implement rules and oversight to educate and attempt to prevent and then catch such rule violations and then deal with it appropriately. With the exception of the Sampson matter, we have done a great job with this process. In fact, we do too good a job and arguably don't and haven't been given credit by the NCAA for doing so. For example, we turned ourselves in on the Bomar and Balogan matters and got screwed worse than we should have. OU didn't cheat on the Bomar deal -- Bomar did. We ascertained and stopped the cheating by Bomar and got screwed by the NCAA for doing the right thing.

Sampson is a more complicated matter. He essentially "knowingly" did the equivilent of "breaking the speed limit". What he did with the impermissable calls is a very minor thing, even in the eyes of the NCAA, but the fact that he knowingly did it (versus inavertently) is what made it serious. I knowingly break the speed limit all the time in my car because I don't think of that as criminal or immoral conduct. I know if I get caught I may have to pay a ticket and am willing to take the risk. Kelvin (see his deposition transcript) saw the phone calls in the same way. He knew that just about every major basketball program in the Country had been "caught" doing the very same thing and they hadn't even had their hands slapped and he thought that the NCAA just didn't consider these violations serious. Your not supposed to tap people on the elbow when they shoot the ball either, but he taught his kids to do that until they got caught. In his eyes, it was the same thing. He was wrong, because when he admited to as much to the NCAA they decided that we couldn't complain about being made an example of and so we got hammered. All he had to do was lie and say he didn't realize or track the volumn of calls and he will change and nothing would have happened. So again, he tells the truth and as is usually the case, no good deed goes unpunished.

Coach O was perfectly employable with no previous involvement with the NCAA. If he cheated, and I am not saying he did, then unless Jeff knew, the proper thing to do is to catch him and punish the kids and Coach O and review the procedures in place to see if anything else can be implemented to prevent the same thing in the future. Then, just move on. Again, I just don't see where the University has much culpability or could have done something to prevent what occurred (provided Jeff didn't know).

OK, I am now off my soapbox.

 

[Sid]

I don't see us ever getting that bad a punishment for this deal but if we do then Capel will be fired. There's really no other option. If we get put on that serious probation even if it's not his fault it's under his watch and I can't think of any coach to survive something like that.

If that happens Joe C and Jeff Capel need to be booted out the door.

 

[boksooner]

The USC and OU situations are not similar. USC stonewalled the NCAA, OU has fully cooperated. This has bought OU a modicum of leniency. Perhaps this latest violation will negate that.

It all comes down to degrees. This is beyond the right and wrong issue. We are now in the realm of how wrong. The degree of involvement and the degree of awareness will go a long way to determining the actual punishment.

 

[Glory]

At this point, how can OU plead not guilty to lack of institutional control charges without causing everyone in the room to laugh uncontrollably?

 

[r2b1]

At this point, how can OU plead not guilty to lack of institutional control charges without causing everyone in the room to laugh uncontrollably?

That all depends on what flavor of kool-aid you are drinking....

 

[TINY]

At this point, how can OU plead not guilty to lack of institutional control charges without causing everyone in the room to laugh uncontrollably?

Glory = Brian cook

 

[Romulus]

The USC and OU situations are not similar. USC stonewalled the NCAA, OU has fully cooperated. This has bought OU a modicum of leniency. Perhaps this latest violation will negate that.

It all comes down to degrees. This is beyond the right and wrong issue. We are now in the realm of how wrong. The degree of involvement and the degree of awareness will go a long way to determining the actual punishment.

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