Football question

SoonerBounce13 said:
I'm pretty confident we don't have a top half of the SEC back on the roster.

There is a chance a healthy X could be top half. But from what he has shown so far, he isn't.

X was 11th in the SEC last year in ypc.
Blaylock was 20th
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Correct, but we are talking about next year. I think next year it's too early to tell if X(averaged 5.1 ypc) & Blaylock (freshman all-sec) won't be top half of the league.
 
WichitaSooner said:
So you read the posts and purposefully asked a disingenuous question since you knew I hadn't once complained about the first two WRs we signed? Cool.

I think X and Blaylock should be backups. They were our best by default because they were the only two RBs on the team who hadn't quit by the middle of the season.

As for top half of the conference, my basis for that prediction is three years of awful results in the run game since Gray graduated. This year, our leading rusher ended up with under 500 yards and averaged barely over 3 YPC against real competition, so I don't think my prediction is very far out there.

And overly negative? I said things seem to have gone very well overall and then simply raised a question about one position. It has become a talking point because a few posters seem determined to keep pushing back instead of acknowledging something that is obvious to anyone, which is that our running game has been bad and we have yet to upgrade that position.
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I was just trying to figure out what you were complaining about this time.

Be sure to take away all the other returning SEC RBs stats away from teams you don't feel are real competition. All the while neglecting the fact that X's best games were Ole Miss & Tennessee.

Yes overly negative. Almost every poster has said the same thing, and a lot have blocked you.
 
BCSooners said:
I was just trying to figure out what you were complaining about this time.

Be sure to take away all the other returning SEC RBs stats away from teams you don't feel are real competition. All the while neglecting the fact that X's best games were Ole Miss & Tennessee.

Yes overly negative. Almost every poster has said the same thing, and a lot have blocked you.
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www.espn.com

College Football Offense Rushing SEC Stat Leaders, 2025 Season - ESPN

ESPN is the place for NCAAF stats! Discover the SEC Offense stat leaders of the 2025 college football season.
www.espn.com www.espn.com

Pretty easy to see where our guys stack up.

Maybe you prefer team stats, where we were 13th in rushing yards per game and 14th in yards per carry: cfbstats.com - 2025 Southeastern Conference Team Leaders

I'm so glad you take the time to track how many people have blocked me. Not sure how you track that, but I'm sure it's collection of Mensa members.
 
WichitaSooner said:
www.espn.com

College Football Offense Rushing SEC Stat Leaders, 2025 Season - ESPN

ESPN is the place for NCAAF stats! Discover the SEC Offense stat leaders of the 2025 college football season.
www.espn.com www.espn.com

Pretty easy to see where our guys stack up.
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If you're simple minded enough to think that YPC is entirely based on RB and has nothing to do with the other 10 players, fine, but at least be consistent.

By the criteria you have set forth, Gray was the top back in conference in BV's first year and Sawchuk was 0.1 YPC from being 2nd in conference the following year.

You make this too easy.
 
Eielson said:
If you're simple minded enough to think that YPC is entirely based on RB and has nothing to do with the other 10 players, fine, but at least be consistent.

By the criteria you have set forth, Gray was the top back in conference in BV's first year and Sawchuk was 0.1 YPC from being 2nd in conference the following year.

You make this too easy.
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Again, keep lying. It's what you do best. I have said at least three times in the past three days that our portal additions at TE should help the run game. And I have sung Gray's praises for years. Having better blocking TEs is a good thing. Getting better RBs would be even better.

Sawchuk averaged 10 carries per game that year. Almost all of his production was in the final five games of the season. If you think a five-game stretch by one guy in a different league 3 seasons ago somehow should make us optimistic about our run game in 2026 in a better league, that's . . . something.
 
WichitaSooner said:
www.espn.com

College Football Offense Rushing SEC Stat Leaders, 2025 Season - ESPN

ESPN is the place for NCAAF stats! Discover the SEC Offense stat leaders of the 2025 college football season.
www.espn.com www.espn.com

Pretty easy to see where our guys stack up.

Maybe you prefer team stats, where we were 13th in rushing yards per game and 14th in yards per carry: cfbstats.com - 2025 Southeastern Conference Team Leaders

I'm so glad you take the time to track how many people have blocked me. Not sure how you track that, but I'm sure it's collection of Mensa members.
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Pretty easy to realize we're talking about next year, especially since you had the initial post.

I don't track it, just can tell by the people who couldn't stand your posts that don't even try replying anymore.
 
WichitaSooner said:
Again, keep lying. It's what you do best. I have said at least three times in the past three days that our portal additions at TE should help the run game. And I have sung Gray's praises for years. Having better blocking TEs is a good thing. Getting better RBs would be even better.

Sawchuk averaged 10 carries per game that year. Almost all of his production was in the final five games of the season. If you think a five-game stretch by one guy in a different league 3 seasons ago somehow should make us optimistic about our run game in 2026 in a better league, that's . . . something.
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If we're going to exclude Sawchuk for 120 carries, then we have to acknowledge that most backs with more YPC than X were under 150, thus should also be excluded by your criteria.

The reality is that under Demarco, who has certainly left plenty to be desired, we've had a RB in the top half of conference in 4/6 seasons.

But if you were to erase Rhamondre from history, and erase Brooks, and erase Gray, and erase Sawhuk and everybody else who got 120 carries or less, and erase the fact that Blaylock was all-freshman, and erase that X ran for 5.1 YPC behind three freshman and playing through injury...then yes, there is validity to saying we never get production out of our RBs.

Basically all you're doing highlighting that 2024 was a trainwreck, which everybody agrees with. It was a great talking point unitl we won nearly twice as many games as you predicted and put that in the past.
 
BCSooners said:
Pretty easy to realize we're talking about next year, especially since you had the initial post.

I don't track it, just can tell by the people who couldn't stand your posts that don't even try replying anymore.
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And pretty easy to realize that the production someone has shown to this point is a decent predictor of what’s to come. X and Blaylock aren’t going to wake up and be Barry Sanders tomorrow.

The Whitten hire seems like good news. It’s good that he has coaching experience, albeit high school. And it’s great that we didn’t settle for a former OU player or BV friend who may or may not have been qualified. If he can help us recruit, and coach and develop, that would be fantastic.
 
SoonerBounce13 said:
even in the rare case where the blcoking was good, they either missed the holes or were not able to make anyone miss.
I literally can't think of a single play that a RB made this year that was impressive. I vaguely remember blaylock having a good rundown the sideline for a score. But that is about it. I'm sure I'm missing some but even with a bad oline and blocking, top RBs make something out of nothing.

I think X could be a guy like that if he stays healthy. But that is a huge if
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Didn’t Xrob have a 60 yard TD. cut off his blocks and outran everyone. I guess that’s not impressive. Didn’t Xrob have a physical 6-7 yard TD run against Tennessee where he ran through a few defenders? I guess you’re not impressed.

I think the biggest problem with our run game is the blocking far more than the RBs. Xrob and blaylock are talented young RBs and they will get better and hopefully remain healthy. We have some good RB talent coming in as well.
 
WichitaSooner said:
How can you explain a lack of trust in guys given the over-the-top hype about Thomas in the summer? People weren't saying he would be good down the road. They were saying he was already making big plays day after day against our defense. We also had Jordan healthy all season and simply didn't play him, even though he showed last year that he is very trustworthy. Manny Choice is another name that was mentioned a lot. The way I see it, there are two options: either Thomas and Choice aren't as good as people claim, or they are and we were just ridiculously stupid not to play them. Look around the country and there are always a bunch of good freshmen WRs playing, even on really good teams. We had a bad offense with only one really good WR, yet we still didn't play those guys? It makes no sense.
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Will be interesting to see if Thomas and Choice are really that good. Thomas was very good on STs so I know he has athletic talent. No way to know if he can catch though because no PT there. I was puzzled by Jordan not playing much as well. Good slot receiver with quickness who catches about everything and can get some YAC. Yet, he was relegated to fair catching kickoffs. Carter also seemed to make every play when he had an opportunity but was also limited in PT and usage.
 
WichitaSooner said:
And pretty easy to realize that the production someone has shown to this point is a decent predictor of what’s to come. X and Blaylock aren’t going to wake up and be Barry Sanders tomorrow.
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While I agree that Blaylock will not become the greatest RB in college football history, it's truly funny how often your arguments shoot themselves in the foot. I'm not sure you could have found a worse player to prove your point. Might wanna check Barry's college career again...

 
mict085 said:
Didn’t Xrob have a 60 yard TD. cut off his blocks and outran everyone. I guess that’s not impressive. Didn’t Xrob have a physical 6-7 yard TD run against Tennessee where he ran through a few defenders? I guess you’re not impressed.

I think the biggest problem with our run game is the blocking far more than the RBs. Xrob and blaylock are talented young RBs and they will get better and hopefully remain healthy. We have some good RB talent coming in as well.
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Those are perfect examples of what I'm talking about. There was nothing special about those plays. They are plays that SEC level RBs should make. We ahve been so conditioned by poor RB performance that these are viewed as special and impressive plays. Go turn on any SEC game and you see these types of plays being made about every drive.

I really do like Xrob and I think he could be special if healthy. I just don't have a reason to think he will ever be healthy
 
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