Football question

[Boom Soon]

Well that’s probably it for USC. Wonder how much longer Riley is in LA.

 

[Eielson]

i think we can win the national championship if our defense can hold opponents to 3 points or less.

Well hopefully the defense makes it on the bus for gameday.

 

[Eielson]

Well that’s probably it for USC. Wonder how much longer Riley is in LA.

Worst record of any USC coach this century. I believe they've had 5.

 

[BCSooners]

Worst record of any USC coach this century. I believe they've had 5.

But but they scored 27 points.

 

[daqman]

Kevin Wilson? LOL. No.

kevin wilson is an offensive genius.
he has more creativity in his little toe than arbuckle has in his entire body.
i really have no idea why ou is paying guys like wilson because they're obviously not using him in any meaningful way.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Worst record of any USC coach this century. I believe they've had 5.

Better winning percentage than Kiffin and Helton, and currently tied with Sark.

 

[NickZepp]

kevin wilson is an offensive genius.
he has more creativity in his little toe than arbuckle has in his entire body.
i really have no idea why ou is paying guys like wilson because they're obviously not using him in any meaningful way.

The offense is just limited by what it has. WRs that mostly can't separate. RBs that are injured or checked out. Barnes and Ott want out. Everyone else is injured.

 

[daqman]

The offense is just limited by what it has. WRs that mostly can't separate. RBs that are injured or checked out. Barnes and Ott want out. Everyone else is injured.

not buyin what you're sellin..
mateer is mostly garbage but if you take away his decision making and call short quick hitting routes....he's capable of making those throws.
we saw that briefly today.
unfortunately....arbuckle who is also mostly garbage...doesn't stick with what mateer does best.
he actually/apparently called a deep fade on 3rd and 2 at midfield.....a throw that mateer just can't make....ever.
i know x is dinged up but a 3 yd run on first down is better than an incompletion on a throw mateer can't make....especially when we needed to run some clock in the 4th quarter.
yeah...we seem to be screwed at rb. but x was out there...and never touched the ball in the 1st quarter. why not? well we only ran 6 plays but still no excuse.

 

[WichitaSooner]

not buyin what you're sellin..
mateer is mostly garbage but if you take away his decision making and call short quick hitting routes....he's capable of making those throws.
we saw that briefly today.
unfortunately....arbuckle who is also mostly garbage...doesn't stick with what mateer does best.
he actually/apparently called a deep fade on 3rd and 2 at midfield.....a throw that mateer just can't make....ever.
i know x is dinged up but a 3 yd run on first down is better than an incompletion on a throw mateer can't make....especially when we needed to run some clock in the 4th quarter.
yeah...we seem to be screwed at rb. but x was out there...and never touched the ball in the 1st quarter. why not? well we only ran 6 plays but still no excuse.

This is the ultimate example of “multiple things can be true.” The offensive talent isn’t nearly where it needs to be. The quarterback isn’t good enough to make the WRs look better than they are. The head coach hasn’t helped things with his staff decisions and by directing so much of the NIL money to the defense. And the OC isn’t doing his part to mitigate some of the deficiencies.

One specific thing I’m wondering: Sategna legitimately does have elite speed (for a football player, I hate when people say world class speed as if a WR or DB could run in the Olympics). How can you not find more ways to get him the ball in space? Maybe they try and Mateer just misses him. I know they have occasionally tried screens and Burks just can’t block. But man they have to figure something out. Speaking of Burks, there might not be a bigger bust. I have no idea how he has fallen off so much since Purdue. He can’t separate, can’t get open, can’t make guys miss when he does catch a pass. And I don’t want to hear about injuries. He’s been healthy all season. Football players get injured all the time and once they are healthy, they generally don’t come back as a shell of themselves. But that seems to be what happens to our guys.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Getting some help from Tennessee and Michigan today. Would be nice if Mizzou manages to stay in the top 25 but that might be unlikely. I don’t know how much separation the committee felt there was between us and ND coming into the day. Our resume is way better, but the eye test favors them because they are good on both sides of the ball, and the committee usually emphasizes that. It will be crazy on one hand to drop behind them after a ranked win while they played another awful team, but their logic is hard to predict.

 

[daqman]

watching bv's postgame presser....he seems annoyed/frustrated with some players who are soft
he said x had a sprained knee against bama....came in monday and said "put a brace on it...i'm playing"
bv said that's what carl albert players do

 

[Eielson]

Better winning percentage than Kiffin and Helton, and currently tied with Sark.

Fitting. You avoid the part about when you mentioned that Hardy always dominates, our defense not being elite, and that we may go 6-6 this year. But as soon as anything negative is said about Riley, you hop right back in.

But you're right. Apparently my numbers were off. I guess it was that his first 3 years that were worse than any other USC coaches this century. Somebody had recently shared that.

But his team has improved for the first time I his career, which is wild considering it's his 9th season. OU got worse every under him to the point that we needed Heisman QBs to avoid mediocrity. USC had been getting worse every year until this year. I don't think I could name another P5 coach whose record got worse 4 straight seasons in a row and still kept their job. He likely would have been ousted if not for the buyout.

They have fired multiple coaches including Clay Helton because 7-8 win seasons don't cut it there, but that's exactly what they have. If not for Nebraska blowing a lead after QB1 had a season ending injury, they'd be in 7 to 8 win pergatory for the 3rd straight season.

It's been a decade and he has yet to build a program up. Maybe he should change programs every year so that he can inherit a more well rounded roster and try to bring a Heisman winner with him each time. He'd never win it all, but he'd likely win 10+ games before getting bootstomped by an SEC team.

 

[NickZepp]

This is the ultimate example of “multiple things can be true.” The offensive talent isn’t nearly where it needs to be. The quarterback isn’t good enough to make the WRs look better than they are. The head coach hasn’t helped things with his staff decisions and by directing so much of the NIL money to the defense. And the OC isn’t doing his part to mitigate some of the deficiencies.

One specific thing I’m wondering: Sategna legitimately does have elite speed (for a football player, I hate when people say world class speed as if a WR or DB could run in the Olympics). How can you not find more ways to get him the ball in space? Maybe they try and Mateer just misses him. I know they have occasionally tried screens and Burks just can’t block. But man they have to figure something out. Speaking of Burks, there might not be a bigger bust. I have no idea how he has fallen off so much since Purdue. He can’t separate, can’t get open, can’t make guys miss when he does catch a pass. And I don’t want to hear about injuries. He’s been healthy all season. Football players get injured all the time and once they are healthy, they generally don’t come back as a shell of themselves. But that seems to be what happens to our guys.

We did a better job throwing a few deep balls that forced the safeties to make mistakes and get us a couple plays for Sategna. We didn't even try throwing those passes for like 5 weeks. We need a true burner outside that can win some one on ones. We haven't had that since Mims.

 

[Eielson]

One specific thing I’m wondering: Sategna legitimately does have elite speed (for a football player, I hate when people say world class speed as if a WR or DB could run in the Olympics). How can you not find more ways to get him the ball in space?

You mean our leading receiver that has more touches than any other receiver? Get him the ball into open space to go...87 yards? A 76 yarder against Ole Miss? The guy who had a 21 yard run and a long punt return to help us win the game against Alabama when couldn't get him the ball in the passing game?

The guy that ALREADY has more touches and yards than his previous 3 years COMBINED at Arkansas?

You have to just be trolling at this point.

 

[WTSooner]

Nobody will say it. This team would have been dead last in the conference if it is not for the defense the way the offense play.

Nobody will say it.....heck, I will.....your post is whack!

OU is 9th in the SEC in offensive efficiency. That means 7 teams are worse. Do you watch other games?

 

[WTSooner]

I'm not going to read thru the game comments. I was actually at the game, cheering for an OU team that is one win away from the Playoffs.

I'll assume it's more of the same, bitching about an offense we all know isn't pulling it's weight, despite having 3 freshmen (two true freshmen) starting on the OL, a QB with screws holding his thumb together, a young OC learning on the job against SEC competition, a RB room with 1 healthy, playable RB, and a WR room that probably needs an upgrade.

Nothing is going to change this year. There is no magic wand to wave to fix things. It will get addressed in a major way this offseason. If you can't find the fun in rooting for a 9-2 OU team that is chasing a Playoff birth while trotting out a truly elite defense every Saturday, I don't know what to tell you. But some of you literally complain about everything. EVERYTHING. Life is too short and that is exhausting. There are a bunch of fans of other teams that would gladly take what we have currently.

 

[Eielson]

We did a better job throwing a few deep balls that forced the safeties to make mistakes and get us a couple plays for Sategna. We didn't even try throwing those passes for like 5 weeks. We need a true burner outside that can win some one on ones. We haven't had that since Mims.

As many had said pregame, it was going to be tough to come by yards on the ground against this Mizzou front with a banged up RB room and 3 freshmen starting on the OL.

The pregame talk from those that had watched film, including Gabe, was that they'd have trouble keeping up with the speed of guys like Sategna, which is exactly how the first half played out. We took some deep shots, and it appeared we had something there, as multiple DPIs could have been called. Much clearer than the phantom call against Bowen.

But once we went up 17-6, there was absolutely no reason to take chances in the passing game. The only way Mizzou was winning that was on a turnover or a ST blunder. They would have needed 8 more quarters to beat us 18-17 with the pace their offense was on. This was a snoozer.

Mateer and this offense have a lot of limitations, but they know who they are and what they need to do. Mateer has had one turnover in the past 5 games, which is exactly why we've won three straight games against ranked SEC opponents. We have also put points on the board in every single red zone possession. People were grumbling about Aguilar and Simpson throwing for 700 yards, but that doesn't do much good when you send 200 yards the other way. Advanced stats know that matters, which is why Mateer's QBR was almost identical to those two performances.

 

[mict085]

kevin wilson is an offensive genius.
he has more creativity in his little toe than arbuckle has in his entire body.
i really have no idea why ou is paying guys like wilson because they're obviously not using him in any meaningful way.

Kevin Wilson being better than Arbuckle is not a flex. This is OU. We can and should do better than both of those guys. Kevin Wilson time has passed. If we were serious about winning a title, we would hire the Georgia tech OC or Kotelnecki from Penn st. And we would pay the price for bringing in top offensive talent in the portal.

 

[Eielson]

OU is 9th in the SEC in offensive efficiency. That means 7 teams are worse. Do you watch other games?

That's the most frustrating thing about these complaints. There are objective ways to measure.

- We don't have the worst offense in the conference.
- Mateer isn't the worst QB in the conference.
- Our offense didn't get worse.
- Sategna isn't underutilized.
- Our defense IS elite.
- Lincoln Riley is averaging 4-5 losses a year at USC without Bob's players

It's not opinion. If you don't believe these thing to be true, you're simply wrong.

 

[WichitaSooner]

I'm not going to read thru the game comments. I was actually at the game, cheering for an OU team that is one win away from the Playoffs.

I'll assume it's more of the same, bitching about an offense we all know isn't pulling it's weight, despite having 3 freshmen (two true freshmen) starting on the OL, a QB with screws holding his thumb together, a young OC learning on the job against SEC competition, a RB room with 1 healthy, playable RB, and a WR room that probably needs an upgrade.

Nothing is going to change this year. There is no magic wand to wave to fix things. It will get addressed in a major way this offseason. If you can't find the fun in rooting for a 9-2 OU team that is chasing a Playoff birth while trotting out a truly elite defense every Saturday, I don't know what to tell you. But some of you literally complain about everything. EVERYTHING. Life is too short and that is exhausting. There are a bunch of fans of other teams that would gladly take what we have currently.

I still would like you to explain why you bash people for complaining about the football team but you have no problem doing it about the basketball team. The only difference I can see is that you like Brent and don’t like Moser. But if you think it’s fair to complain about one coach consistently, how can you argue with a straight face that it’s not ok for others to do it about the football staff.

And I get it … as of right now, our football team is in a better spot. But last year, our basketball team had a better season than Brent’s team, which went under .500 for a second time in three years. And I wonder what makes you so confident the offense will be fixed after the season. We tried that last year and it yielded a massive bust at RB and a below average quarterback. Some of you were also confident this group of WRs was a massive upgrade. I’m not sure why, after four years, we should just have blind faith that it’ll be much better next year.