Football question

What’s his injury?
I’m not gonna argue with you on this point, because we really have no clue. But I don’t think the injury is a factor anymore. But maybe he comes back after the three weeks before the playoff game and lights it up. Then I’d be more inclined to say the injury lasted a lot longer than many of us realized.
How crazy of you to think that an injury with a 4-6 week timeline isn’t the reason he is playing like crap 9 weeks after it occurred.

You all are nuts. You really think he's FULLY recovered from that surgery? I can tell you first hand he's not. I had surgery on my thumb and it was damn near a year before it felt normal. Being cleared to play and being 100% or anywhere close are two different things. The man has screws in his thumb and I guarantee he doesn't have 100% of his strength or mobility back. NO doubt in my mind. Confirmed by a doctor friend. To even question that shows a great bias in this argument. Just dumb.
 
Before the injury, he was definitely not good enough to win a national championship.

PFF Grade by Game:
Illinois St - 90.6
Michigan - 76.8
Temple: 83.4
Auburn: 66.8
Kent St: DNP
Texas: 37.4
South Carolina: 58.2
Tennessee: 63.3
Alabama: 64.8
Mizzou: 55.7

He's right around a D average, which PFF qualifies as a backup. He's been acceptable vs. non power 4 teams, but nothing more than just average against power 4 teams. PFF grades aren't the end all be all, since they do not know the answers to the test (only BV/Arbuckle do), but it's still a good enough barometer.
The three full games before his injury were a 90.6, and 76.8, and an 83.4. That doesn't grade out to backup.

You literally proved my point. His three best games were the three games he played injury free. I get that competition wasn't great in two of those, but it's the only data we have to work with.
 
Yea Pribula suffered an awful ankle injury and was back in four weeks and honestly, didn’t look like it was bothering him at all.

I just fail to understand how people can blame the thumb for Mateer’s issues. He makes bad decisions. That’s not due to a thumb that he hurt more than two months ago. And he wasn’t very accurate before the injury. The thumb is a convenient excuse.
A thumb that he HURT? It was broken. He had surgery. He has screws. He still wears a brace. You saw him wince when a fan simply shook his hand before the Tennesee game.

Have you never had surgery on anything like that? A broken bone? A torn ligament? And you think he is "healthy"?

Good grief.
 
Correct here. Quote from a defensive staffer because I kept pounding the drum leading into Texas.

“The other guys are just better dude, idk what to tell you. He’s just soft and not that good.”
It's why he started the season buried. The coaches all knew it, but eventually the pressure of a) the struggling running game, and b) the fan expectation of Ott starting and doing well, forced them to give him a shot.

Dude proved UNPLAYABLE in a pretty limited number of snaps.
 
The three full games before his injury were a 90.6, and 76.8, and an 83.4. That doesn't grade out to backup.

You literally proved my point. His three best games were the three games he played injury free. I get that competition wasn't great in two of those, but it's the only data we have to work with.
Only one of those games was against a team with a pulse, and he graded as average. If we had Illinois St. on the schedule for every game, sure he's a Heisman winner, but we don't. His three best games were before injury, and still he wasn't good enough in those games is my point.

The injury should affect accuracy and being able to make every throw, it shouldn't affect his ability to be in command of this offense and make the right read. He's in the third year of this offense. There's no excuse for the mental mistakes he is making week in and week out.
 
Raiola, Lagway, Sellers are all expected to be in the portal.
All 3 have lower QBRs.

Sellers will likely be in the NFL instead of the portal.

Lagway's QBR is significantly lower. Almost identical to Arnold's. He's a talented kid and I think he'll be an NFL QB someday, hut thus far he's been awful.

Raiola also has a lower QBR, but Rhule sucks with QBs, so I would make that swap.
 
Yea Pribula suffered an awful ankle injury and was back in four weeks and honestly, didn’t look like it was bothering him at all.
except he was super super lucky .. like a 1/2 a % lucky

Ankle dislocation without associated fracture (pure ankle dislocation) is a rare injury accounting for only 0.065% of all ankle injuries and 0.46% of all ankle dislocations

 
You all are nuts. You really think he's FULLY recovered from that surgery? I can tell you first hand he's not. I had surgery on my thumb and it was damn near a year before it felt normal. Being cleared to play and being 100% or anywhere close are two different things. The man has screws in his thumb and I guarantee he doesn't have 100% of his strength or mobility back. NO doubt in my mind. Confirmed by a doctor friend. To even question that shows a great bias in this argument. Just dumb.


it was hand surgery.....not brain surgery.
dude's brain is not working.
 
You all are nuts. You really think he's FULLY recovered from that surgery? I can tell you first hand he's not. I had surgery on my thumb and it was damn near a year before it felt normal. Being cleared to play and being 100% or anywhere close are two different things. The man has screws in his thumb and I guarantee he doesn't have 100% of his strength or mobility back. NO doubt in my mind. Confirmed by a doctor friend. To even question that shows a great bias in this argument. Just dumb.
The point is that the balls being thrown aren't just off or coming out weirdly, he's not making the right reads. So not thumb related
 
Only one of those games was against a team with a pulse, and he graded as average. If we had Illinois St. on the schedule for every game, sure he's a Heisman winner, but we don't. His three best games were before injury, and still he wasn't good enough in those games is my point.

The injury should affect accuracy and being able to make every throw, it shouldn't affect his ability to be in command of this offense and make the right read. He's in the third year of this offense. There's no excuse for the mental mistakes he is making week in and week out.

QBR accounts for quality of competition, though I agree and completely throw out games like Illinois State as well. Too much difference for a stat to fully appreciate. His QBR against Michigan was 82.3, which isn't Heisman, but over the course of the season that would be top 10. That's absolutely good enough.

There is a lot that goes into playing QB, so when you're not getting reps and don't trust your hand, it's going to affect a lot more than just accuracy. He's never had great mechanics, but we saw it dramatically deteriorate and hit rock bottom in the first half against Tennessee. He has since settled down.

The data is pretty clear that in the 1 month post-surgery, we played 3 games, which included his 2 worst games. And not just his two worst games, but 20-30 points lower than his next worst, which is massive. Not coincidentally, those are the only two games we lost. His 3rd lowest QBR was actually the Auburn game, which he played most of with a broken hand.

The injury probably affects him to some extent, but we're at the point where he just needs to perform and push through. And to that end, his QBRs have improved from the 34.1 and 46.1 we saw against Texas and Ole Miss to consistently around 70 the past 3 weeks. That's not earth shattering, but we haven't lost a game when his QBR was above 50, so I'll take our chances against anybody if he's in the 70-80 range (other than Ohio State).
 
A thumb that he HURT? It was broken. He had surgery. He has screws. He still wears a brace. You saw him wince when a fan simply shook his hand before the Tennesee game.

Have you never had surgery on anything like that? A broken bone? A torn ligament? And you think he is "healthy"?

Good grief.
I broke my thumb. So yes.
 
You all are nuts. You really think he's FULLY recovered from that surgery? I can tell you first hand he's not. I had surgery on my thumb and it was damn near a year before it felt normal. Being cleared to play and being 100% or anywhere close are two different things. The man has screws in his thumb and I guarantee he doesn't have 100% of his strength or mobility back. NO doubt in my mind. Confirmed by a doctor friend. To even question that shows a great bias in this argument. Just dumb.
Your fat old thumb injury is not the same. We’ve already been over this. Other athletes have had the same injury, fixed by the same surgeon and it doesn’t take a year of recovery. John mateer is not injured and your “first hand” account of your own injury is a worthless addition to this topic.

John mateer is the same QB today as he was before his injury and the same QB he’s always been. Stop making excuses for poor play. He was making the same mistakes before the injury, this year and the years before. Bad footwork, bad arm angles, drifting back in the pocket instead of climbing, holding the ball too long and hesitating, inaccurate throws. All of it is the same as it was before the injury. Just stop with the excuses.
 
Your fat old thumb injury is not the same. We’ve already been over this. Other athletes have had the same injury, fixed by the same surgeon and it doesn’t take a year of recovery.

Which QBs? Goff had a similar but different surgery. Even though he was cleared to return, Rams opted to start John Wolford in a playoff game instead. Goff only came in off the bench after Wolford had a season ending neck injury.

At this point, I agree the thumb excuse has expired, but he was absolutely rushed back to the detriment of the team and himself.
 
In other news: the weather forecast for Saturday is getting worse as kickoff draws nearer. Winds out of the north 30-40. How close to the vest can we play it? Downfield throws, never our strong suit, will only really be available for half the game.
 
I think with Mateer it's 50/50 - I don't believe he's fully recovered, and as a result he's probably not as confident and more hesitant, which also impacts his play. I also believe he's never played in the SEC before and there was always going to be an adjustment period, which we've seen. Is he playing better lately? That's debatable. I think if he sticks around (you just never know these days), next season he will be much improved.
 
In other news: the weather forecast for Saturday is getting worse as kickoff draws nearer. Winds out of the north 30-40. How close to the vest can we play it? Downfield throws, never our strong suit, will only really be available for half the game.

In general, that's probably an advantage. The deep ball is our biggest liability on both sides of the ball. Nussmeier has struggled but has the arm to beat us, though it sounds like he won't be able to go. Haven't seen Van Buren, but if he struggled against Arkansas and WKU, I don't think we are the team he'll put it together against.

Hopefully Arbuckle can scheme something up on the opening drive and we play from a place of comfort most of the day. 17 points and we can probably kneel it the rest of the way.
 
Which QBs? Goff had a similar but different surgery. Even though he was cleared to return, Rams opted to start John Wolford in a playoff game instead. Goff only came in off the bench after Wolford had a season ending neck injury.

At this point, I agree the thumb excuse has expired, but he was absolutely rushed back to the detriment of the team and himself.
I don’t believe this either. It wasn’t a detriment to him or the team. He didn’t perform well against Texas but he likely wouldn’t have anyway. Even with the injury, he gave us the best chance to win that game. Had Hawkins played against texas, we would’ve lost 41-6 after all of his turnovers.

As for the Mississippi game, they are the better team. Period. Had mateer never been injured, nothing changes. We’d still be 9-2.
 
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