Football question

[Eielson]

You’re right. Mateer would make light work of that and throw a pick six in the first half to decide the game.

Can’t wait for the final rankings to come out so you can keep arguing that a team with one truly impressive win in the entire season was right on the cusp of a title.

It's truly funny that you spent several pages rambling about how helpless unbalanced teams are in the CFP, yet still haven't figured out that Miami was the second most unbalanced team in the field.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Am I the only one that saw Mendoza faint on the sideline after that epic touchdown? Nobody is talking about it

 

[Eielson]

Am I the only one that saw Mendoza faint on the sideline after that epic touchdown? Nobody is talking about it

I was too busy watching his father choke his mom in celebration.

 

[WaymanFan]

Yes, but if you're stripped on 2nd and 8 and recover to make it 3rd and 20, you're not much better off than a turnover. You're likely going to gain a few yards and then punt it away. And a 40 yard punt is no different than a 40 yard interception.

If the offense recovers the fumble then it is not a turnover. I would like to think any rating system can distinguish between keeping possession and a turnover. And no, punting because you recovered your fumble is not the same as an interception. Finally, I never said losing a fumble was any better than an interception. I made that very clear when saying Maye had a 3:3 ratio and Stroud had a horrific 1:4 ratio. Finally, Maye's team is playing for a spot in the Super Bowl while the Texans are deciding whether to pick up Stroud's 5th year option while possibly drafting his replacement because he was so bad in that playoff game. I'm guessing no one from the Texans organization is saying: "But his QBR was better than Maye's." That game proved it's a deeply flawed calculation, just like the passer rating. They both have merit, but until they tweak the QBR, I will continue to take the average of the two.

 

[Eielson]

I would like to think any rating system can distinguish between keeping possession and a turnover.

Correct. I have never argued differently.

no, punting because you recovered your fumble is not the same as an interception.

3rd and 8 on the 50 yard line
Scenario 1: fumble and recover on your 40 yard line. Punt goes 40 yards and the other team takes over on the 20 yard line.
Scenario 2: interception thrown 30 yards downfield and the other team takes over on the 20 yard line.

In both scenarios, the other team takes over on their 20 yard line. Please explain how the win probability changes. Like I said, it's an arm punt.

Now in the scenario where you recover on 3rd and 20, that's SLIGHTLY better, as you have a chance to get a first down. But those odds are likely less than 5%.

Finally, Maye's team is playing for a spot in the Super Bowl

You do know which QB led the league in QBR, right?

I'm guessing no one from the Texans organization is saying: "But his QBR was better than Maye's."

Correct. Nobody brags about a QBR of 20. The lowest QBR of players that qualified in the league this year was 33.3 (Cam Ward). The year before it was Will Levis at 25.2. The year prior it was Zach Wilson at 31.3. If done over the course of an entire season, that performance would qualify as possibly the worst season ever.

Absolutely nobody in this thread has claimed Stroud played well, so this is a weak strawman. The point of debate is if Maye had a great game, as you and passer rating suggest, or if advanced analytics are correct. I'm going to side with the team saying that fumbled 4 times and adding an interception on top of that is bad.