Football question

[Eielson]

You’re right. Mateer would make light work of that and throw a pick six in the first half to decide the game.

Can’t wait for the final rankings to come out so you can keep arguing that a team with one truly impressive win in the entire season was right on the cusp of a title.

It's truly funny that you spent several pages rambling about how helpless unbalanced teams are in the CFP, yet still haven't figured out that Miami was the second most unbalanced team in the field.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Am I the only one that saw Mendoza faint on the sideline after that epic touchdown? Nobody is talking about it

 

[Eielson]

Am I the only one that saw Mendoza faint on the sideline after that epic touchdown? Nobody is talking about it

I was too busy watching his father choke his mom in celebration.

 

[WaymanFan]

Yes, but if you're stripped on 2nd and 8 and recover to make it 3rd and 20, you're not much better off than a turnover. You're likely going to gain a few yards and then punt it away. And a 40 yard punt is no different than a 40 yard interception.

If the offense recovers the fumble then it is not a turnover. I would like to think any rating system can distinguish between keeping possession and a turnover. And no, punting because you recovered your fumble is not the same as an interception. Finally, I never said losing a fumble was any better than an interception. I made that very clear when saying Maye had a 3:3 ratio and Stroud had a horrific 1:4 ratio. Finally, Maye's team is playing for a spot in the Super Bowl while the Texans are deciding whether to pick up Stroud's 5th year option while possibly drafting his replacement because he was so bad in that playoff game. I'm guessing no one from the Texans organization is saying: "But his QBR was better than Maye's." That game proved it's a deeply flawed calculation, just like the passer rating. They both have merit, but until they tweak the QBR, I will continue to take the average of the two.

 

[Eielson]

I would like to think any rating system can distinguish between keeping possession and a turnover.

Correct. I have never argued differently.

no, punting because you recovered your fumble is not the same as an interception.

3rd and 8 on the 50 yard line
Scenario 1: fumble and recover on your 40 yard line. Punt goes 40 yards and the other team takes over on the 20 yard line.
Scenario 2: interception thrown 30 yards downfield and the other team takes over on the 20 yard line.

In both scenarios, the other team takes over on their 20 yard line. Please explain how the win probability changes. Like I said, it's an arm punt.

Now in the scenario where you recover on 3rd and 20, that's SLIGHTLY better, as you have a chance to get a first down. But those odds are likely less than 5%.

Finally, Maye's team is playing for a spot in the Super Bowl

You do know which QB led the league in QBR, right?

I'm guessing no one from the Texans organization is saying: "But his QBR was better than Maye's."

Correct. Nobody brags about a QBR of 20. The lowest QBR of players that qualified in the league this year was 33.3 (Cam Ward). The year before it was Will Levis at 25.2. The year prior it was Zach Wilson at 31.3. If done over the course of an entire season, that performance would qualify as possibly the worst season ever.

Absolutely nobody in this thread has claimed Stroud played well, so this is a weak strawman. The point of debate is if Maye had a great game, as you and passer rating suggest, or if advanced analytics are correct. I'm going to side with the team saying that fumbled 4 times and adding an interception on top of that is bad.

 

[NickZepp]

That's what I said earlier. Go try and find a lower level guy you like & see if he pans out for cheap.

Expecting a FCS guy to be that good is a fluke and probably won't happen again. Chambliss is a freak.

 

[WaymanFan]

The point of debate is if Maye had a great game, as you and passer rating suggest, or if advanced analytics are correct. I'm going to side with the team saying that fumbled 4 times and adding an interception on top of that is bad.

No, he didn't have a great game...never said he did. And his offensive line was horrible which obviously contributed to the turnovers. But with 3 TD passes, he played good enough to win and they did. Even better, a former Sooner has played great the past several games. Rhamondre even won AFC Offensive Player of the Week a few weeks back.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Am I the only one that saw Mendoza faint on the sideline after that epic touchdown? Nobody is talking about it

Here is the clip of it. 30 second mark

 

[Eielson]

No, he didn't have a great game...never said he did.

Passer rating of 100.7 would place him in the top 7 of QBs over the course of the regular season, which is great for a playoff games against one of thr best defenses.

It was not great. It was awful. It's a great example of why this simple algorithm from 50 years needs to be put to pasture.

 

[BCSooners]

Expecting a FCS guy to be that good is a fluke and probably won't happen again. Chambliss is a freak.

I never said expect, I said it's a good way to bring in someone cheap. If it doesn't pan out then no harm done.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

If anyone hasn't listened to Heinecke's interview on Oklahoma Breakdown, do yourself a favor and give it a listen. It's really good.
I really really hope he gets another year but it doesn't sound likely. He has been one of my favorite sooners over the last few years

 

[WichitaSooner]

Seeing the final AP poll, we ended up 13. Bama (9) and Michigan (21) are our only ranked wins. We lost to Ole Miss (3), Bama (9), and Texas (12). Tennessee and Mizzou only received a handful of votes.

I think one of the most important jobs of organizations and programs at the end of every season is to accurately assess where they stand. We had plenty of feel-good moments this season. The comeback at Tennessee after a terrible start to the game. Beating Michigan in prime time. Beating Auburn in a game that got a lot of attention because (a) Jackson Arnold and (b) people wrongly thought Auburn was good at the time. But when you actually look at the season, you have to also realize that we lost three of the four toughest games we played. We ended up with a much easier schedule than expected. And our final result (13th in the nation, with three losses) is not something that would have fired any of us up at any point in this century, if not for how bad the past three seasons had been.

Much progress from last year, to be sure. Much, much more to make before I feel like we are a real threat to win a national title. And on a related note, the first "way too early top 25" I read has us 9th, but specifically said that our run game remains a concern.

I'm sure I'll get flamed for being negative, but like I said, it was a major step in the right direction. The defense was better than I expected, special teams improved, and I thought Brent had fewer game management issues. I think the offense was only marginally better, and it worries me that our running back room is still a weakness and we have the same QB who played an entire season with bad vision and bad mechanics. If that makes me negative, so be it. But simply assuming continued progress is dangerous. People thought that two years ago and then 10-3 reverted back to 6-7. Next year is huge -- need to keep the upward trajectory and not slide back.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Seeing the final AP poll, we ended up 13. Bama (9) and Michigan (21) are our only ranked wins. We lost to Ole Miss (3), Bama (9), and Texas (12). Tennessee and Mizzou only received a handful of votes.

I think one of the most important jobs of organizations and programs at the end of every season is to accurately assess where they stand. We had plenty of feel-good moments this season. The comeback at Tennessee after a terrible start to the game. Beating Michigan in prime time. Beating Auburn in a game that got a lot of attention because (a) Jackson Arnold and (b) people wrongly thought Auburn was good at the time. But when you actually look at the season, you have to also realize that we lost three of the four toughest games we played. We ended up with a much easier schedule than expected. And our final result (13th in the nation, with three losses) is not something that would have fired any of us up at any point in this century, if not for how bad the past three seasons had been.

Much progress from last year, to be sure. Much, much more to make before I feel like we are a real threat to win a national title. And on a related note, the first "way too early top 25" I read has us 9th, but specifically said that our run game remains a concern.

I'm sure I'll get flamed for being negative, but like I said, it was a major step in the right direction. The defense was better than I expected, special teams improved, and I thought Brent had fewer game management issues. I think the offense was only marginally better, and it worries me that our running back room is still a weakness and we have the same QB who played an entire season with bad vision and bad mechanics. If that makes me negative, so be it. But simply assuming continued progress is dangerous. People thought that two years ago and then 10-3 reverted back to 6-7. Next year is huge -- need to keep the upward trajectory and not slide back.

Yeah our schedule ended up not being as tough as predicted. It was still very very difficult though.
People flame you for being negative because you always have to downplay success and upplay weakness. You put a negative spin on everything OU related.

OU beat Michigan and won 2 games in two of the most difficult places to play
We lost to a team that made it to the semis (in a game we had a very real chacne to win), to a team we had already beaten, and to our rival with a wounded QB
It was a damn fine season even if the schedule ended up being easier than predicted.


And BTW, Auburn was still a good team. Just had bad qb play. They are a lot better than their record.
Lost by a TD on the road to us
6 @ A&M
10 vs Georgia
2OT to mizzou
OT vs Vandy
and 7 vs bama

 

[WichitaSooner]

Yeah our schedule ended up not being as tough as predicted. It was still very very difficult though.
People flame you for being negative because you always have to downplay success and upplay weakness. You put a negative spin on everything OU related.

OU beat Michigan and won 2 games in two of the most difficult places to play
We lost to a team that made it to the semis (in a game we had a very real chacne to win), to a team we had already beaten, and to our rival with a wounded QB
It was a damn fine season even if the schedule ended up being easier than predicted.


And BTW, Auburn was still a good team. Just had bad qb play. They are a lot better than their record.
Lost by a TD on the road to us
6 @ A&M
10 vs Georgia
2OT to mizzou
OT vs Vandy
and 7 vs bama

Yep, Auburn was such a good team that they finished under .500 and fired their coach midseason.

Again, our season was good. Nothing more. The same people celebrating it and claiming we were oh-so-close to being a title contender are the people who talk about how much we were slipping for having two-loss regular seasons under Riley. The only difference is that the playoff now includes three times as many teams, and that allowed us to make the cut. Spin it any way you want, but like I said, at no point this century, before Brent was hired, would any OU fan have gone into a season thinking they would be satisfied if they ended up ranked 13, under .500 against ranked teams, and getting thumped for the third time in four years by their rival.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Yep, Auburn was such a good team that they finished under .500 and fired their coach midseason.

Again, our season was good. Nothing more. The same people celebrating it and claiming we were oh-so-close to being a title contender are the people who talk about how much we were slipping for having two-loss regular seasons under Riley. The only difference is that the playoff now includes three times as many teams, and that allowed us to make the cut. Spin it any way you want, but like I said, at no point this century, before Brent was hired, would any OU fan have gone into a season thinking they would be satisfied if they ended up ranked 13, under .500 against ranked teams, and getting thumped for the third time in four years by their rival.

my goodness you are a miserable human being. it isn't even worth having discussions with you

 

[SoonerBounce13]

It will be interesting watching the Mensah lawsuite.
If I had to guess, there will be some type of settlement.

If Duke wins and mensah is forced to stay at Duke, it is a toxic environment. Both parities lose.
If Mensah wins, it sets a precedent that NIL contracts don't mean anything

 

[BoulderSooner]

It will be interesting watching the Mensah lawsuite.
If I had to guess, there will be some type of settlement.

If Duke wins and mensah is forced to stay at Duke, it is a toxic environment. Both parities lose.
If Mensah wins, it sets a precedent that NIL contracts don't mean anything

the judge already ruled against the duke requested TRO there is 0 chance he is forced to stay at Duke or play for duke .. he is not an employee after all ..

he can lose money that is all ..

 

[SoonerBounce13]

the judge already ruled against the duke requested TRO there is 0 chance he is forced to stay at Duke or play for duke .. he is not an employee after all ..

he can lose money that is all ..

But could the judge prevent him from playing somewhere else?
Will he owe back all the NIL?
There has to be some punishment if he breaks the contract

 

[BoulderSooner]

But could the judge prevent him from playing somewhere else?
Will he owe back all the NIL?
There has to be some punishment if he breaks the contract

0 % a judge stops a non employees from playing somewhere else ..

and money is what the "punishment" would be ..

 

[Sooner04]

Optics would've been much better for the season as a whole if we'd finish the job against the Tide. No shame in losing in Pasadena to the Cignetti juggernaut, but blowing a 17-0 lead at home took most of the piss out of our momentum. Such is life.