Football question

[Skeeter1]

You can't possibly be this stupid.

He is. He’s proven it over and over. Comical at this point. Ban him and make this forum lots better.

 

[Skeeter1]

Cancel it

OU made the playoffs last year. Texass didn’t.

 

[Eielson]

Mateer was putting up a mid 70ish QBR before the Auburn game. That’s top 25ish level production. That’s “bad?”

Guy is not Baker/Kyler and I know you think OU could magically find more production there but coaches “aren’t even considering that angle.” That’s good enough to get where this team’s goals are IMO.

Advanced stats like QBR are beyond Wichita's comprehension, but Mateer was literally the Heisman frontrunner at the time of injury. I expressed my skepticism at the time, and agree that he is not Heisman-level, but saying the Heisman frontrunner was bad is an indefensible take.

I completely understand why some here wanted to move on from Mateer, but pretending the injury to his throwing hand didn't affect his throwing is....how are we even having this conversation still?

 

[SoonerDutch]

You cite a stat that includes rushing in its formula. I said he was bad throwing. In his two games against FBS competition before the injury, he completed 60 percent of his passes and had as many picks as TDs. Those numbers are both bad in this era.

You’re citing completion stats which aren’t 100% on Mateer and TD/INT ratios from two games where he got OU into scoring position on pass plays on two possessions against UM where he then scored rushing. If Burks or Santenga turn those into TDs & gives him a 4/2 ratio, does that change your argument lol?

His QB rating was middle of the pack for those two games. I’d have to have you clarify what “bad” means? Although you yourself hedge with mediocre so maybe that’s what you’re saying.

Guy is not elite sure, but bad? Arnold was/is bad. Mateer is passable. Will just have to agree to disagree.

 

[SoonerDutch]

Advanced stats like QBR are beyond Wichita's comprehension, but Mateer was literally the Heisman frontrunner at the time of injury. I expressed my skepticism at the time, and agree that he is not Heisman-level, but saying the Heisman frontrunner was bad is an indefensible take.

I completely understand why some here wanted to move on from Mateer, but pretending the injury to his throwing hand didn't affect his throwing is....how are we even having this conversation still?

Yeah agree, should just stop engaging. Just trying to understand what he’s saying.

The guy loves to be a martyr lol.

 

[hoopsaustin]

OU made the playoffs last year. Texass didn’t.

I was obviously being sarcastic but some people struggle with social cues. Its okay

 

[WichitaSooner]

You’re citing completion stats which aren’t 100% on Mateer and TD/INT ratios from two games where he got OU into scoring position on pass plays on two possessions against UM where he then scored rushing. If Burks or Santenga turn those into TDs & gives him a 4/2 ratio, does that change your argument lol?

His QB rating was middle of the pack for those two games. I’d have to have you clarify what “bad” means? Although you yourself hedge with mediocre so maybe that’s what you’re saying.

Guy is not elite sure, but bad? Arnold was/is bad. Mateer is passable. Will just have to agree to disagree.

Well the good news is, we will be able to see this season how accurate and smart he is in the passing game after an offseason to work on his mechanics and recover from his broken hand/arm/body. For me, the bar isn't Jackson Arnold. Just because someone is better than Arnold, doesn't mean he doesn't leave a ton to be desired from a throwing standpoint.

 

[Eielson]

You’re citing completion stats which aren’t 100% on Mateer and TD/INT ratios from two games where he got OU into scoring position on pass plays on two possessions against UM where he then scored rushing. If Burks or Santenga turn those into TDs & gives him a 4/2 ratio, does that change your argument lol?

His QB rating was middle of the pack for those two games. I’d have to have you clarify what “bad” means? Although you yourself hedge with mediocre so maybe that’s what you’re saying.

Guy is not elite sure, but bad? Arnold was/is bad. Mateer is passable. Will just have to agree to disagree.

I've yet to see any of the QBR skeptics actually be able to explain what it's calculating. It's not perfect, but once somebody takes 5 minutes to understand what it's calculating, they accept it is a valid metric.

 

[SoonerDutch]

Well the good news is, we will be able to see this season how accurate and smart he is in the passing game after an offseason to work on his mechanics and recover from his broken hand/arm/body. For me, the bar isn't Jackson Arnold. Just because someone is better than Arnold, doesn't mean he doesn't leave a ton to be desired from a throwing standpoint.

Absolutely, hoping for a top 30 QBR season.

Would love to hear a statistical threshold that you’re hoping to see so we can try to resolve this discussion later this year!

 

[WaymanFan]

I completely understand why some here wanted to move on from Mateer, but pretending the injury to his throwing hand didn't affect his throwing is....how are we even having this conversation still?

Obviously, there was a negative impact, but I am going to play Devil's Advocate here. My worry with Mateer was that he was struggling with accuracy beyond 15 yards both before and after his injury. That is something I am worried about heading into this coming season. Throwing some nice deep balls against Michigan will put a lot of us at ease.