For All Those Putting Ultimate Faith in Joe Ca$tiglione

soonerbms said:
Well, aren't you just the best Sooner ever? Please. Football and men's basketball are what bring money into a university's athletic department and raise its reputation around the country. Anyone who believes otherwise is misguided. Is it nice when we win at other sports? Yes. Does it hurt the school if we don't? Nope.
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No, I'm just a Sooner fan. It may not hurt the school's bottom line when we lose, but it hurts me. I'm still not over Redman giving up that homer to JD Drew and that was nearly 16 years ago.
 
soonerbms said:
Oh, **** off. You don't get to decide who is a true Sooner fan and who isn't. I wish all the non-revenue sports very well in their pursuit of championships. I'm just honest enough to admit that success in football and men's basketball means a whole hell of a lot more than success in those sports.
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I wasn't specifically calling you out. Relax, partner. Just an opinion about some Sooner fans. I agree with your last sentence that only Football and Basketball matter in perception. But, the ultimate barometer is Football.
 
soonerbms said:
I don't give a **** if we never win another women's volleyball match or golf tournament. The only two hires that Joe Castiglione has made that matter are Bob Stoops and Jeff Capel. One was a smashing success while the other has been an unmitigated flop. Since Castiglione did get it right on Stoops and has been a tremendous fundraiser for the athletic department, we aren't going to hold the Capel hire against him. Instead, we're going to count on him to undo his mistake and get it right this time.
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Capel is more of a mitigated flop. An unmitigated flop would be 5 years of suck, instead of 3 years of suck, one of good and one of great.
 
Sooner04 said:
No, I'm just a Sooner fan. It may not hurt the school's bottom line when we lose, but it hurts me. I'm still not over Redman giving up that homer to JD Drew and that was nearly 16 years ago.
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Our softballers winning it all in 2000 was a pretty big highlight for me. Really an enjoyable event to share with my family (since taking the entire family to the MNC or FF is a financial nightmare).
 
Let me get this straight. First you say this:

soonerbms said:
I don't give a **** if we never win another women's volleyball match or golf tournament.
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Then people rightly call you out on it and it turns into this:

I wish all the non-revenue sports very well in their pursuit of championships.
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:ez-laugh: be sure to check those blind spots while you are backing that truck out
 
SoonerBounce13 said:
Let me get this straight. First you say this:



Then people rightly call you out on it and it turns into this:



:ez-laugh: be sure to check those blind spots while you are backing that truck out
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I don't think my posts were contradictory or even inconsistent. You can wish someone well without really caring if he/she fails.
 
Hollisp said:
No you were trying to be internet tough guy. Do you feel better now that you got that off your chest and onto the MB? :ez-roll:
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No, I stand by it. You were dismissing fans who don't necessarily care as much about the non-revenue sports as second class fans. It makes you sound incredibly arrogant when you presume to be judge and jury on who is and isn't a good Sooner fan.
 
I understand what BMS is saying. The Football and Men's BBall coach are what make or break ADs... a flop with a golf coach or tennis coach won't cost an AD his job. A flop with a major revenue-sport coach definitely could.

I still support the baseball team a lot, but other than that the non-revenue sports are not a top priority for my viewing pleasure.
 
Come on, people. This is a ridiculous thread. Like Joe C could have known five years ago that all this crap would happen. It is realistic for some to blame Capel for what is happening. But some of this self righteous attitude of having supernatural foreknowledge is silly.

Just after the elite 8 run everyone was on the Jeff Capel high. Sooner basketball was back on top again. We had 4 McDonald All Americans in 3 successive recruiting classes. The biggest fear of this board was that some other school was going to steal Capel away from us.

It is understandable to blame Jeff Capel for the current state of OU basketball. It is certainly understandable to be very angry. But some of you people just go to silly extremes to justify your anger and lash out at everyone around the situation in your unhappiness. That is an attitude I would expect from a 13 year old girl.

Joe C fully understands the current state of the program. He also understands that he will be held accountable for whatever decision he makes. It is a risk for him whichever way he goes. If he fires Jeff and Jeff goes on to make a final four someday, this message board will blast him for that. If he hires BCG who drives into someone while drunk, he will get blasted for that. If he hires whoever and that guy fails, he will get blasted for that.

The only way that he does not get blasted by the couch potato critics is that whoever he lets lead the OU basketball program next year makes the tournament. That may or may not be achievable in the real world.

But, good grief, real world decisions have to be made in real time without perfect information. Mistakes will be made. Some will have dire consequences. That is life. How many of you could handle the pressure of your customers or your fellow employees lobbying your boss to fire you each and every time you made a decision they did not like?

Bunch of cry babies is what some of you are.
 
Pizza the Hutt said:
I understand what BMS is saying. The Football and Men's BBall coach are what make or break ADs... a flop with a golf coach or tennis coach won't cost an AD his job. A flop with a major revenue-sport coach definitely could.

I still support the baseball team a lot, but other than that the non-revenue sports are not a top priority for my viewing pleasure.
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You aren't a true Sooner.
 
soonerbms said:
No, I stand by it. You were dismissing fans who don't necessarily care as much about the non-revenue sports as second class fans. It makes you sound incredibly arrogant when you presume to be judge and jury on who is and isn't a good Sooner fan.
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Ok tough guy. Moving on..


Anyway, big game today....
 
And don't get me started on the South Carolina game from last year's CWS. Ugh!

Speaking of baseball, Ca$tiglione is batting .500 there too. Let's not forget the Gene Stephenson debacle.

So maybe that's the key: some of his first hires have been garbage but he's corrected the mistake on the second go-round. Maybe he'll do the same in men's basketball.
 
Sooner04 said:
So maybe that's the key: some of his first hires have been garbage but he's corrected the mistake on the second go-round. Maybe he'll do the same in men's basketball.
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Good post, got a chuckle and theres some validity behind it
 
Sooner04 said:
And don't get me started on the South Carolina game from last year's CWS. Ugh!

Speaking of baseball, Ca$tiglione is batting .500 there too. Let's not forget the Gene Stephenson debacle.

So maybe that's the key: some of his first hires have been garbage but he's corrected the mistake on the second go-round. Maybe he'll do the same in men's basketball.
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Oh, no you don't. I don't follow OU baseball all that closely, but that situation worked out well. Castiglione immediately turned around and hired Golloway who has been excellent if I'm not mistaken.
 
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