Future of Moser

[MercedeSooner]

JM is too small and he’s struggled against the better Big12 teams. He needs to add some weight and strength and play another year in college.

I assumed the rationale is his stock will not improve with another year in college vs making a career overseas ? McCollum isn’t an NBA level guard, he hasn’t proved he is even on the Abmas level yet as an all conference player.

Hopefully OU NIL can help some of these guys decisions next year because this team can be really good with another year of experience and another body or 2 inside.

 

[WaymanFan]

Here is one thing we can definitely count on. Javian will get a lot of bad advice between now and the 2024 NBA Draft. Think about it. We almost always have 100+ underclassmen declare for the NBA Draft every year. There are only 60 draft selections and some of them will be seniors and foreign players. It's fair to say a lot of these guys did not get the best of advice.

 

[CoachTalk]

Trae led the nation in scoring and assists as a freshman and was a sensation from day one. Other than size and school, what do they have in common?

I meant being a pro.

 

[WichitaSooner]

I meant being a pro.

I know, what I’m saying is, those two have no more in common than Wilt Chamberlain and Hunter Dickinson. Same position and school, but completely different players. Trae was a phenom, JM is a good player but nowhere near the range or passing ability, or quickness while dribbling.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

I know, what I’m saying is, those two have no more in common than Wilt Chamberlain and Hunter Dickinson. Same position and school, but completely different players. Trae was a phenom, JM is a good player but nowhere near the range or passing ability, or quickness while dribbling.

Right. But you said there isn’t anyone his size In the nba

 

[CoachTalk]

I know, what I’m saying is, those two have no more in common than Wilt Chamberlain and Hunter Dickinson. Same position and school, but completely different players. Trae was a phenom, JM is a good player but nowhere near the range or passing ability, or quickness while dribbling.

We didn’t say he was Trae young.

Trae dad knows talent. Phillip’s knows talent.

 

[WichitaSooner]

We didn’t say he was Trae young.

Trae dad knows talent. Phillip’s knows talent.

Phillips is an absolute nobody. Anyone can get on Twitter and make a bunch of crazy proclamations. Does he work for a team? Does he get paid by a reputable website or publication to scout college players?

As for Trae’s dad … I mean, he certainly knows his son’s talent. I’m not sure how that makes him an overall expert.

 

[Eielson]

Hell, the one pro we have had recently is Reaves, and most of the board overlooked his obvious attributes because they didn’t like his style of play.

Reaves was not drafted. His success was not expected or predicted by any experts. It wasn't a fanbase problem.

 

[BoulderSooner]

Reaves was not drafted. His success was not expected or predicted by any experts. It wasn't a fanbase problem.

as has been shown many many times Reaves could have been drafted around 50 .. and his team (agent ect) choose not to be

 

[WichitaSooner]

as has been shown many many times Reaves could have been drafted around 50 .. and his team (agent ect) choose not to be

Exactly. Taller, bigger, stronger, better athlete and better all around game than JM.

 

[TINY]

would be great if we could get McC, Uzan, and Oweh to return. Hopefully we can get some good NIL offered to them.

 

[Eielson]

as has been shown many many times Reaves could have been drafted around 50 .. and his team (agent ect) choose not to be

They talked about picking him with one of the last picks in the draft, but they weren't going to guarantee him a roster spot. At that point, you're essentially an UDFA. And then he literally was an UDFA.

Even if he were picked at 50 or beyond, several of those guys are out of the league, and only a couple have actually played meaningful minutes.

Yes, many of us (myself included) underestimated him, but so did every NBA team. Lakers included. It's kinda silly to keep citing him as an example. He's a clear outlier that has exceeded every rational person's expectations based on his college career.

 

[Eielson]

Exactly. Taller, bigger, stronger, better athlete and better all around game than JM.

He's bigger, which you essentially said 3 times. As far as having a better overall game, JM is statistically superior to Reaves thus far across the board in terms of junior stats. I'm not saying that JM is a better pro prospect, but if they were the same size and playing alongside each other in college, this wouldn't really be a conversation.

I understand his size will never change, but nobody's size changes at this point, and there are plenty of guys like Buddy whose draft stock exploded. He's obviously not going to explode like Buddy, but if things go well, he could be a PG3 for a few years. I'm not sure he can defend, but this guy is absolutely capable of scoring in the NBA.

Having said that, Uzan is the only guy on this team I predict gets drafted, and I don't think that happens for another year or two. I would put Oweh as the second most likely, which would depend on continued improvement similar to what we've seen.

 

[snydrosooner]

will not complain about overall success of this team. Coach has us at a better place than most expected.

 

[NickZepp]

He's bigger, which you essentially said 3 times. As far as having a better overall game, JM is statistically superior to Reaves thus far across the board in terms of junior stats. I'm not saying that JM is a better pro prospect, but if they were the same size and playing alongside each other in college, this wouldn't really be a conversation.

I understand his size will never change, but nobody's size changes at this point, and there are plenty of guys like Buddy whose draft stock exploded. He's obviously not going to explode like Buddy, but if things go well, he could be a PG3 for a few years. I'm not sure he can defend, but this guy is absolutely capable of scoring in the NBA.

Having said that, Uzan is the only guy on this team I predict gets drafted, and I don't think that happens for another year or two. I would put Oweh as the second most likely, which would depend on continued improvement similar to what we've seen.

I could see more guys eventually being drafted that we've seen in some time but I don't think anyone is a 30 point per game guy like Trae Young or solid 15-20 a game like Reaves or what Buddy has been at some points in his career or Blake was for his first 10 years or so.

JMac would have been for sure no not too long but the NBA is different now. I'm still not sure he's accurate enough a deep shooter to really play. Uzan gets a ton of NBA hype scouts I see on some of the NBA scouting sites and youtube and all that. But I just don't think he's progressed enough as a scorer. He has some games where you think he's got it but then disappears on offense the next game. Oweh forces things too much at times and then gets into modes where nothing goes in. But I don't think we've had a guard like him that seems to have all the tools. Moore looks like he's got the athletic ability and it isn't as important now to be bigger in the NBA. But I'm still not sure he takes the pounding in the NBA. If you looked at the last couple rosters by this point in the season I was kinda fine with just letting them all go and getting better athletes. Especially last year. This years team seems to have a few dudes. Even Hugley seems to have a bit of dude in him at times. Soares, Godwin, and Darthard are better role players than we've had in a while.

 

[Eielson]

I could see more guys eventually being drafted that we've seen in some time but I don't think anyone is a 30 point per game guy like Trae Young or solid 15-20 a game like Reaves or what Buddy has been at some points in his career or Blake was for his first 10 years or so.

JMac would have been for sure no not too long but the NBA is different now. I'm still not sure he's accurate enough a deep shooter to really play. Uzan gets a ton of NBA hype scouts I see on some of the NBA scouting sites and youtube and all that. But I just don't think he's progressed enough as a scorer. He has some games where you think he's got it but then disappears on offense the next game. Oweh forces things too much at times and then gets into modes where nothing goes in. But I don't think we've had a guard like him that seems to have all the tools. Moore looks like he's got the athletic ability and it isn't as important now to be bigger in the NBA. But I'm still not sure he takes the pounding in the NBA. If you looked at the last couple rosters by this point in the season I was kinda fine with just letting them all go and getting better athletes. Especially last year. This years team seems to have a few dudes. Even Hugley seems to have a bit of dude in him at times. Soares, Godwin, and Darthard are better role players than we've had in a while.

I think JM is plenty capable as a shooter. If he came back next year, and Uzan and Oweh progressed to the point of drawing more attention, I think JM could be a 50/40/90 guy in college. I'm not saying he would be, but he is definitely capable of threatening those numbers. He already did as a freshman. I don't think there is anything about his offense that holds him back. It's his size and defense.

Uzan isn't an NBA guy right now based on his sophomore film I think he has the physical tools and will develop into that guy in the next 1-2 years. He doesn't have lotto potential, and it's possible he doesn't get drafted, but I would bet in his favor as a second rounder if he puts in the effort.

I loved Oweh last year, but would never have projected him as an NBA guy. He made huge strides in his shooting and ballhandling this offseason. I'd say he's about halfway there in terms of progression to NBA player.

Moore has flashes that make you drool, but I think he's undersized as an NBA 4, and I don't think he has the athleticism to be a plus perimeter defender at the 3. He also disappears too often, although he's shown signs of putting it together since the KU frontcourt massacre. I don't see him as an NBA guy unless he starts shooting similar 3 pt percentages at a much higher volume.

 

[Soonerinkc]

Some guys are just very good even great college players.. but not nba guys…and that’s ok.

OU has had their share of these guys. It’s all good.

 

[TINY]

Unfortunately there will be a lot of people in their ears after the season. It is imperative that ou is able to get at least 3 of the 4 guys mentioned in this thread to return (uzan,oweh, mcc, Moore). Unc can get a guy like Bacot to stay for an eternity, praying we can get our dudes to come back to take the Buddy route. It also means we have to fend off other NIL offers from our enemies…if we want to be a big boy program, we gotta be competitive there.

 

[tmeyer3307]

I'd say keep Moser for another year, unless we just fall apart to finish the year. This would allow him to bring back his guys hopefully and start the SEC off as one of the favorites. I think we need to land a legit 5 man to go along with Hugley. If we do that, we could have a special year.

Miss tourney and fire him, then I'd think there is no chance anyone on this roster stays.. maybe Hugley & JM..maybe Moore but you lose all of your recruits and the most important guys.. Oweh/Uzan.

Oweh really needs to develop more on the offensive end to be a legit NBA guy. Like Moore, gotta do more than just shoot open shots and cut to the basket. Need to break down guys off the dribble more/shoot better.
Uzan - think he has the best shot of being a good NBA player. Defending really well, creates for other at a high level.. Needs to finish better and shoot it a bit better.

 

[bearcreekfan]