Has OU peaked under Kruger?

cjhsooner said:
Just curious for your thoughts. Seeing Texas light it up recruiting-wise scares me a bit. Kruger can't out-recruit Smart (he may try, but will fail). I love Kruger and I love where OU is at. But is this as high as OU can go with a coach like Kruger?
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It's a false argument. OU didn't succeed because texas was bad; the two were unrelated. So texas improving won't mean OU can't continue to be strong; there's no reason OU and ut can't be good at the same time.
 
It sure doesn't feel like it, but if history repeats itself, yes. Lon tends to rebuild quickly, and then fade just about as quickly. Lon peaked in year 2 at KSU, year 3 at UNLV, and year 4 at Florida. Just looking at the numbers and removing my personal bias, it's hard to predict that year 5 isn't his peak at OU.

Again, I hope I'm wrong. It's just hard to come to any other conclusion looking strictly at Lon's career by the numbers. However, he has bucked a few trends here at OU. Despite all his noted improvement stories, he's never improved 5 straight years, and this last year was probably his most successful. Additionally, he's had more of a steadiness these last two stops (UNLV, OU), so it's possible.
 
I think kruger needs to recruit some size. OU needs size too compete consistantly. Its amazing this board thinks OU is ok with no size inside to score. We need a big who can score and rebound. too help keep the defense honest.
 
Eielson said:
It sure doesn't feel like it, but if history repeats itself, yes. Lon tends to rebuild quickly, and then fade just about as quickly. Lon peaked in year 2 at KSU, year 3 at UNLV, and year 4 at Florida. Just looking at the numbers and removing my personal bias, it's hard to predict that year 5 isn't his peak at OU.

Again, I hope I'm wrong. It's just hard to come to any other conclusion looking strictly at Lon's career by the numbers. However, he has bucked a few trends here at OU. Despite all his noted improvement stories, he's never improved 5 straight years, and this last year was probably his most successful. Additionally, he's had more of a steadiness these last two stops (UNLV, OU), so it's possible.
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He peaks early on because he doesn't stay long at any one place. If he leaves OU after this coming season, he will most assuredly have peaked after Year 5.

He's also bucked another trend. He never had multiple Sweet 16 trips in any one coaching stop...but he does now. I'm also certain he's never had an AD like Joe C which puts Lon in a position to consistently win.
 
OUballer said:
I think kruger needs to recruit some size. OU needs size too compete consistantly. Its amazing this board thinks OU is ok with no size inside to score. We need a big who can score and rebound. too help keep the defense honest.
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Yeah like our big that could score inside last year when we made the final 4.
 
cjhsooner said:
He meant to consistently stay on top. We don't have Buddy Hield to save us this season. That was what he meant.
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Great programs don't rebuild very often. Do I expect a final four this year? No

But we'll win a lot of games and being ready in March
 
Some of the stuff I've read in this thread leaves me shaking my head in amazement.

So Kruger's future success (or lack of success) at OU will be determined by some "trend" he established 20-30 years ago?
 
scrybe said:
Some of the stuff I've read in this thread leaves me shaking my head in amazement.

So Kruger's future success (or lack of success) at OU will be determined by some "trend" he established 20-30 years ago?
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Who knew??? :ez-roll:
 
OUballer said:
I think kruger needs to recruit some size. OU needs size too compete consistantly. Its amazing this board thinks OU is ok with no size inside to score. We need a big who can score and rebound. too help keep the defense honest.
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I agree we need a very good big for 2017. A T Thomas type big would be OK.
 
Eielson said:
It sure doesn't feel like it, but if history repeats itself, yes. Lon tends to rebuild quickly, and then fade just about as quickly. Lon peaked in year 2 at KSU, year 3 at UNLV, and year 4 at Florida. Just looking at the numbers and removing my personal bias, it's hard to predict that year 5 isn't his peak at OU.



Again, I hope I'm wrong. It's just hard to come to any other conclusion looking strictly at Lon's career by the numbers. However, he has bucked a few trends here at OU. Despite all his noted improvement stories, he's never improved 5 straight years, and this last year was probably his most successful. Additionally, he's had more of a steadiness these last two stops (UNLV, OU), so it's possible.
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I'm sorry but I don't think this has anything to do with the current situation for OU men's basketball. There might be more talent in the program than there's been in a long time and the level they're recruiting at is higher than many thought Coach would be capable of. I've seen signs that make me think the best might be yet to come.


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KBaden145 said:
I'm sorry but I don't think this has anything to do with the current situation for OU men's basketball. There might be more talent in the program than there's been in a long time and the level they're recruiting at is higher than many thought Coach would be capable of. I've seen signs that make me think the best might be yet to come.


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I'm simply saying that I doubt K-State fans thought it reasonable that they would never have another 20 win season following their Elite 8 finish in his second year. I also doubt Florida expected to follow up a 29 win Final 4 season with a 29-29 record the following two years. Even UNLV saw a similar drop off after their 30 win season, though not as bad.

There's a good chance that this past season was Kruger's golden season here, and it's silly to not recognize that as a strong possibility.
 
Eielson said:
I'm simply saying that I doubt K-State fans thought it reasonable that they would never have another 20 win season following their Elite 8 finish in his second year. I also doubt Florida expected to follow up a 29 win Final 4 season with a 29-29 record the following two years. Even UNLV saw a similar drop off after their 30 win season, though not as bad.



There's a good chance that this past season was Kruger's golden season here, and it's silly to not recognize that as a strong possibility.
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Again, I don't think your argument translates. This is a different situation completely for Kruger. This program is superior to every program Coach has been in almost every way. His recruiting is improving and the talent level across the roster has continued to improve almost every cycle. Besides what ut is doing (almost completely unrelated) and what Coach did at inferior basketball programs in the past, what evidence directly involving OU basketball do you see foretelling the kind of drop off you are predicting (at worst a .500 record, possibly no more 20 win seasons which would also mean rare NCAA tourney trips). You make it sound like OU basketball is a plane with an engine out. I see staying power. I see consistent top 2,3,4 finishes and consistent contention in the Big 12. I see a long streak of NCAA trips. I see a multiple Sweet 16s, plus a possible Final 4 run in 17-18, a team I think could be superior to this past year's team if we add Trae Young.

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Eielson said:
There's a good chance that this past season was Kruger's golden season here, and it's silly to not recognize that as a strong possibility.
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And I say it's silly to try to compare situations that might be very different.

For instance, at any of the schools you named, did Kruger have his highest ranked recruiting classes arriving on campus following his "best" season?

If you don't know the answer (I don't), then you're making unsupported comparisons. If you do know the answer, I'm all ears.
 
skyvue said:
And I say it's silly to try to compare situations that might be very different.

For instance, at any of the schools you named, did Kruger have his highest ranked recruiting classes arriving on campus following his "best" season?

If you don't know the answer (I don't), then you're making unsupported comparisons. If you do know the answer, I'm all ears.
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Of course the situation is different. It always is. Do you think the situations at KSU, Florida, and UNLV were identical?
 
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