I know this is a hoops board but...

[steverocks35]

This article speculates that not only is AD going to fight these charges he is going to file suit against the Houston Police Department. If that happens get your popcorn ready!

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/09/rusty-hardin-adrian-peterson-was-a-victim-not-an-aggressor/

 

[StatGeek]

This article speculates that not only is AD going to fight these charges he is going to file suit against the Houston Police Department. If that happens get your popcorn ready!

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/09/rusty-hardin-adrian-peterson-was-a-victim-not-an-aggressor/

Really hope that doesn't happen, the only result of this action is less money for AD and his family and more cash for attorney's.

Side Note: I'm not taking sides in the argument but Gary's spelling is awful. Not just in this thread but in virtually every post I have ever seen, but grammar smack is weak.

 

[sybarite]

I don't follow gary's posts, even on this thread, but I thought the idea of a trail lawyer was kind of funny, kind of like he practices before a circuit judge.

 

[garyeb2]

I don't follow gary's posts, even on this thread, but I thought the idea of a trail lawyer was kind of funny, kind of like he practices before a circuit judge.

That's pretty funny. I like original material.

 

[coolm]

Your lack of insight is near overwhelming. If you were so damn "savvy" about local legal news then you'd know there are 3 lawyers in OKC named Jerry Jones. Hustling cases for $50? What color is the sky in your world?

Keep spewing about all the other stuff. Your version of the law is actually pretty funny.

 

[DenverSooner]

Agreed.

The article I read says the security guy told AD and his group of friends to leave. The security guard made rounds, asking others to leave, and when he got back to AD's group, they hadn't moved. Security says something to AD, and AD acts like a punk, assuming an aggressive posture.

The simple fact that it took three cops (or security) to get AD cuffed and under control speaks pretty loudly as to how AD was acting.

When a person is 6'1", 217 lbs with about 3% body fat (or whatever ridiculously low number Peterson has) and one of the fastest, quickest, most agile and most powerful people on the planet is it possible to be a punk?

It seems to me AD may have been a bit drunk and acted a bit out of character. I suspect the cop acted totally in character and looked for a physical confrontation. It is easy to be a tough guy when you get to arrest the person rather than actually have to physically deal with the situation you created.

 

[DenverSooner]

If you are trying to present a case that some members of the human race are terribly flawed and they work within some systems that are also terribly flawed, well, OK. That is a given.

AD, as do most celebrities, live in worlds where the rules don't apply to them. But, that world has boundries. AD found out where it was at. That's all.

You seem very willing to give the police the benefit of the doubt but not AD or football players in general. Why? Are you jealous that football players have so much? There are a lot of really good people that played professional football. By all accounts AD is a pretty good guy. Even if he made some mistakes, he would not be the first human that drank to much and exercised pour judgment.

 

[DenverSooner]

We have been down this road before. There are a handfull of poster's on this board, and apparently you are one of them, that when they have nothing valid to add. They have no basis in fact in any position they take. Then they attact someone on spelling and punctuation. Doing that is personal, mean spirited, and childish. Why don't you try staking out a position and then defending it the best you can. That, in the long run, will likely turn out to be more rewarding for you than being a cheap shot artist.

That is pretty ironic coming just a few posts after you literally attacked another person's profession. Correcting your spelling is personal, mean spirited and childish but this

Yea, that is what I was thinking. For someone that is suppose to be some kind of of trail capable lawyer, you seem to be having trouble coming with any fact based arguements. Oh that's right, you high volume crimminal defense guys don't argue cases, you plead them.

. . .

As for the police powers, Quote me some case law. Isn't that what they taught you to do in school. Let me help you on that. I know most high volume crimminal defense lawyers are busy hanging around the court house hustling clients for $50 a pop. I hope you are not part of that group.

. . .

Now, you started this with an insult. Which isn't surprising, that is the track most of your basketball arguements take. If you want to keep this up, fire away. But, at least, for the entertainment value of those that might be following along, come up with something. A fact, a figure, anything.

is all perfectly justified.

 

[WTSooner]

When a person is 6'1", 217 lbs with about 3% body fat (or whatever ridiculously low number Peterson has) and one of the fastest, quickest, most agile and most powerful people on the planet is it possible to be a punk?

It seems to me AD may have been a bit drunk and acted a bit out of character. I suspect the cop acted totally in character and looked for a physical confrontation. It is easy to be a tough guy when you get to arrest the person rather than actually have to physically deal with the situation you created.

Contrary to what you think, it's not common for anybody to seek out a "physical confrontation" with somebody that would likely kick their butt. Nobody is going to step to AD, unless they have to. Just b/c the off duty cop COULD have handled things differently, doesn't mean he was legally wrong in not doing so.

When something goes down between somebody that is hammered, and somebody that is sober, I'm going to side with the sober person 75-90% of the time.

 

[25mob]

Don't make this wager. Peterson hired Rusty Hardin who is already attacking the club owner. The strategy will be to make false accusations to negatively impact his business.

Peterson hiring a high profile ambulance chaser is just more evidence he is guilty. The poor bar owner will want to drop any criminal charges to make this go away versus losing business.

The problem is the off duty police officer won't let it go away. He will see $ signs and go after Peterson civilly. That's why Hardin was brought in.

Maybe I'm missing your point but are you saying he is guilty because he has the money to higher a high profile aggressive attorney so that the playing field is more even? To many times in the injustice system innocent people get sent to jail because they don't have money to hire their own attorney's and have to rely on an employee of the state which is prosecuting them.

The club owner is of course going to back his employee... did you really think the owner would say that the person he hired to keep the peace is the person who caused a disturbance and assaulted one of his patrons? Hell no because it opens him up for a lawsuit.

if Adrian was so wasted they would be reporting his blood alcohol level all over the place to show just how bad it was. The fact that he hasn't been charged with assaulting a police officer or public intoxication should prove he was not wasted like the owner is trying to make and that he did not put his hands on the bouncer/cop.

 

[garyeb2]

You seem very willing to give the police the benefit of the doubt but not AD or football players in general. Why? Are you jealous that football players have so much? There are a lot of really good people that played professional football. By all accounts AD is a pretty good guy. Even if he made some mistakes, he would not be the first human that drank to much and exercised pour judgment.

Denver, you came up with enough of my quotes to give the impression that you had been following along. But, I think you misssed a couple of points.

My point was that since most criminal defendents are guilty, one was putting themselves on the wrong side of probability by jumping to the conclusion that AD was innocent. And that off duty officers retain many if not most of their police powers and that jumping to the conclusion that they were exceeding their authority was a shakey position.

Then some Yo Yo jumps in to inform me that I didn't have enough education to render an opinion on legal matters or points of law. And since I do posses enough education and working knowledge gained thru practical application to be right on those two points, I took that as a personel insult. And as always, I responded in kind. Now, you may think that my response was in some multiple greater than needed and required, and that is fine. But, apparently it isn't enough yet. He is still wrong on the facts and still yapping.

And I'm not jealous of anyone. I'm almost 65 and have the freedom to spend my time however I want, live in a good enough place, eat better than most, and still get laid every couple of weeks. But, I do think most celebrities, have a sense of entitledment and live in a bubble where the rules don't apply to them. Do you think otherwise?

 

[DenverSooner]

Denver, you came up with enough of my quotes to give the impression that you had been following along. But, I think you misssed a couple of points.

My point was that since most criminal defendents are guilty, one was putting themselves on the wrong side of probability by jumping to the conclusion that AD was innocent. And that off duty officers retain many if not most of their police powers and that jumping to the conclusion that they were exceeding their authority was a shakey position.

Then some Yo Yo jumps in to inform me that I didn't have enough education to render an opinion on legal matters or points of law. And since I do posses enough education and working knowledge gained thru practical application to be right on those two points, I took that as a personel insult. And as always, I responded in kind. Now, you may think that my response was in some multiple greater than needed and required, and that is fine. But, apparently it isn't enough yet. He is still wrong on the facts and still yapping.

And I'm not jealous of anyone. I'm almost 65 and have the freedom to spend my time however I want, live in a good enough place, eat better than most, and still get laid every couple of weeks. But, I do think most celebrities, have a sense of entitledment and live in a bubble where the rules don't apply to them. Do you think otherwise?

I suspect most people that get arrested are quilty of something but I also think plenty of people are arrested that should not be arrestedd. With that said, I would hardly describe a person that drinks too much at a bar and gets into an argument with a bouncer as a criminal. I hardly see it different than speeding (although I do see it slightly more serious than speeding). I would call it pour judgment, a mistake or foolish.

If you are truly not jealous of anyone you are a rare individual. We all have insecurities. I can agree that most celebrities live in a bubble but I don't necessarily agree that most have a sense of entitlement. I just think we hear about those that have a sense of entitlement a lot more often than those that are really kind and caring people. For example, do Tom Hanks or Payton Manning have a sense of entitlement. I see painting all celebrities a certain way no different than painting all black people, all poor people or all rich people a certain way. This is not to say I am immune from making judgments. We all do it at times.

WT - I disagree. I think plenty of cops are looking for confrontations. I have known several in my life and liked most of them, even the ones that I considered slightly off due to their aggressive nature. The power associated with that position attracks people that want and need the power. Often they desire the power more than money which would explain why they do a relative thankless job for a modest wage. (I think cops make a respectable living but I suspect it is difficult to get really wealthy as a honest cop. After all only a few can rise to the top of a police force where they are paid six figure salaries)

 

[DenverSooner]

Gary - one other thing. If you purchase a Mac it will spell check on the internet. I am not sure why Microsoft doesn't do that. You might notice that some of my posts have much better spelling than others. That is because I use a Mac about 50% of the time.

 

[treebranch]

Gary, you said a majority of people arrested are guilty, not just criminal defendants.

Actual points of relevant law include that everyone has a right to resist arrest by someone they do not know to be a police officer. In most states individuals may resist wrongful arrest by known police officers with reasonable force. I don't know or really care about Texas law.

It is not clear from anything I've read whether the bouncer identified himself to AD as a police officer. I don't know why anyone would assume he did.

On spelling, I'm not sure if you're a lawyer, but my guess is you at least understand a judge would tend to downgrade the criminal law opinions of a lawyer who couldn't spell criminal, defendant, or personal. It's about credibility. Where does your credibility come from?

 

[AdaSooner]

Gary - one other thing. If you purchase a Mac it will spell check on the internet. I am not sure why Microsoft doesn't do that. You might notice that some of my posts have much better spelling than others. That is because I use a Mac about 50% of the time.

On the other hand, some of us PC users are just good spellers.

Seriously, misspelled words, typos and mistakes in grammar do not bother me when someone else does it. It bothers the heck out of me when I scew up. That's why I scan-read and correct any error in my posts before I hit reply.

I have spell check set up on my e-mail. But for the life of me, I can't figure out how to do it on Internet Explorer. I would welcome an assist if anyone out there can walk me through it. The operating system I'm using is Windows 7 Home Edition.

 

[StatGeek]

Gary - one other thing. If you purchase a Mac it will spell check on the internet. I am not sure why Microsoft doesn't do that. You might notice that some of my posts have much better spelling than others. That is because I use a Mac about 50% of the time.

You seem very willing to give the police the benefit of the doubt but not AD or football players in general. Why? Are you jealous that football players have so much? There are a lot of really good people that played professional football. By all accounts AD is a pretty good guy. Even if he made some mistakes, he would not be the first human that drank to much and exercised pour judgment.

I suspect most people that get arrested are quilty of something but I also think plenty of people are arrested that should not be arrestedd. With that said, I would hardly describe a person that drinks too much at a bar and gets into an argument with a bouncer as a criminal. I hardly see it different than speeding (although I do see it slightly more serious than speeding). I would call it pour judgment, a mistake or foolish.

How do those Mac's feel about the word poor?

Just giving you a hard time.

 

[StatGeek]

On the other hand, some of us PC users are just good spellers.

Seriously, misspelled words, typos and mistakes in grammar do not bother me when someone else does it. It bothers the heck out of me when I scew up. That's why I scan-read and correct any error in my posts before I hit reply.

I have spell check set up on my e-mail. But for the life of me, I can't figure out how to do it on Internet Explorer. I would welcome an assist if anyone out there can walk me through it. The operating system I'm using is Windows 7 Home Edition.

Gotta love it!

 

[AdaSooner]

Gotta love it!

Intentional! Just checkin' to see if you were on your toes.

You did not disappoint. :ez-roll:

 

[AdaSooner]

By the way, I said I checked my posts. I didn't say that I caught every mistake, nor that I can see as well as I did when I was younger. lol

 

[StatGeek]

By the way, I said I checked my posts. I didn't say that I caught every mistake, nor that I can see as well as I did when I was younger. lol

I make as many mistakes as everyone else.