Improving our seed

[pnkranger]

Just looking at how high we can go. I think the top 6 are set (in no order):

1. WSU
1. Kansas
1. Arizona
1. Florida
2. Syracuse
2. Villanova

There is a second set of teams we can't pass, even with a Big 12 tourney win because of 8 losses and, especially, losses to Tech @ home, La Tech @ home:

2. Duke
2. Wisconsin
3. Michigan
3. Virginia

That means a 2 is (obviously) out of the question. The next set of teams (based on Lunardi's projections:

3. Iowa State
3. Creighton
4. Michigan State
4. San Diego State
4. Cincinnati
4. Saint Louis

Of those, Saint Louis and Creighton have hit slides, and we are finishing better than ISU with a chance to pass them for good in the Big 12 tourney. Depending on how these teams finish out, IF we win our next 4 games, the absolute, all things work in our favor, best seed we can get is a three...with the caveat that we'll also be fighting Louisville and North Carolina for those two coveted 3 seeds.

To do that, we would need bad losses by teams like MSU, San Diego state, Cincinnati, Saint Louis, and Creighton...and to finish better than North Carolina and Louisville.

So, it's more likely that we end up on the 4/5 line with a solid finish, at worst a 6. If I were a three seed, I wouldn't want to face OU as a 6...

 

[SoonerBounce13]

3. Iowa State

this is a joke right?

 

[WTSooner]

I said in another thread that I think, so long as we beat TCU on Saturday, we are probably a 3/4/5. 4 seems most likely, but if we can make the conference finals against KU, that 3 seed might be attainable. Anything short of that, the 3 seed is probably a long shot.

 

[Kewllane]

Win Saturday and I think we'll be a 4. Especially with one win in the conf tourney.

 

[WTSooner]

And remember, we may end up deserving of a 3, or a 4, but the Committee may have to move us up or down a line for scheduling purposes. That is why it's tough to guess where we will end up.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

this is a joke right?

I guess it isn't that big of a stretch but I just don't see isu as a 3

 

[Chaser728]

this is a joke right?

I believe these projections came before their loss to Baylor.

 

[AdaSooner]

If OU beats TTU on Saturday, I think this team deserves to be seeded no worse than 4th or 5th, no matter what happens in the conference tourney.

The question is, will the selection committee see it that way? This team has not received the respect they deserve since the season began. I keep asking myself, why? I think the answer may lie in the way we have won a lot of games. A win is a win for us. But it's almost never easy for this team, and it's definitely not pretty. The pollsters see that, so it's hard for them to accept the fact that this team is for real.

I think the pollsters also see a team with only one big man who is capable of going toe with the bigs OU faces. Additionally, they can't identify a go-to guy on this team. Neither can we, and that's with the advantage of watching all or part of 30 games this season.

My point is, if the so-called experts who control both polls can't make themselves believe OU is one of the top sixteen or so teams in the country, will the NCAA selection committee be able to buy into what people like Joe Lunardi are selling?

 

[JBaker]

Teams with more top-50 RPI wins than OU:
Arizona
Kansas
Michigan

End of list.

 

[CobraKai]

If OU beats TTU on Saturday, I think this team deserves to be seeded no worse than 4th or 5th, no matter what happens in the conference tourney.

The question is, will the selection committee see it that way? This team has not received the respect they deserve since the season began. I keep asking myself, why? I think the answer may lie in the way we have won a lot of games. A win is a win for us. But it's almost never easy for this team, and it's definitely not pretty. The pollsters see that, so it's hard for them to accept the fact that this team is for real.

I think the pollsters also see a team with only one big man who is capable of going toe with the bigs OU faces. Additionally, they can't identify a go-to guy on this team. Neither can we, and that's with the advantage of watching all or part of 30 games this season.

My point is, if the so-called experts who control both polls can't make themselves believe OU is one of the top sixteen or so teams in the country, will the NCAA selection committee be able to buy into what people like Joe Lunardi are selling?

I think guys like Lunardi, who have been giving us more respect than the pollsters all year long, see things much more like the selection committee than the people who vote in the AP poll.

 

[campbest]

My point is, if the so-called experts who control both polls can't make themselves believe OU is one of the top sixteen or so teams in the country, will the NCAA selection committee be able to buy into what people like Joe Lunardi are selling?

You shouldn't be concerned about pollsters...they have nothing to do with anything.

 

[pnkranger]

this is a joke right?

It's where Lunardi has them listed, and a few others. They have a top 12 RPI.

 

[pnkranger]

I think guys like Lunardi, who have been giving us more respect than the pollsters all year long, see things much more like the selection committee than the people who vote in the AP poll.

I agree with this. You can see that by how we were seeded last year with a really tough schedule. Plus -- our SOS is top 10 in every computer calculation.

 

[hoopsaustin]

If OU beats TTU on Saturday, I think this team deserves to be seeded no worse than 4th or 5th, no matter what happens in the conference tourney.

The question is, will the selection committee see it that way? This team has not received the respect they deserve since the season began. I keep asking myself, why? I think the answer may lie in the way we have won a lot of games. A win is a win for us. But it's almost never easy for this team, and it's definitely not pretty. The pollsters see that, so it's hard for them to accept the fact that this team is for real.

I think the pollsters also see a team with only one big man who is capable of going toe with the bigs OU faces. Additionally, they can't identify a go-to guy on this team. Neither can we, and that's with the advantage of watching all or part of 30 games this season.

My point is, if the so-called experts who control both polls can't make themselves believe OU is one of the top sixteen or so teams in the country, will the NCAA selection committee be able to buy into what people like Joe Lunardi are selling?

i think your giving the pollsters too much credit...

see-- the two jackasses that had us below OSU and tejas despite sweeping them both.....

 

[AdaSooner]

i think your giving the pollsters too much credit...

see-- the two jackasses that had us below OSU and tejas despite sweeping them both.....

I'm not giving the pollsters any credit at all. It's clear to me, and I think nearly everyone here, the polls have been wrong about OU. If that was not the case, how do you explain OSU and UT, two schools we have owned this season, being ranked ahead of us in the polls the past few months?

You and campbest missed my point. I'm not saying the polls have anything to do with where the committee will seed OU. I was simply pointing to the reasons I believe (an opinion if you will) the pollsters have not given OU the respect they deserve. Will the selection committee see it the same way, or will they see it more like a Lunardi?

Some of you seem to think the committee is made up of Lunardi-like thinkers. I hope you're right. But what evidence can you offer to support that claim?

 

[campbest]

You and campbest missed my point. I'm not saying the polls have anything to do with where the committee will seed OU. I was simply pointing to the reasons I believe (an opinion if you will) the pollsters have not given OU the respect they deserve. Will the selection committee see it the same way, or will they see it more like a Lunardi?

Some of you seem to think the committee is made up of Lunardi-like thinkers. I hope you're right. But what evidence can you offer to support that claim?

The committee routinely talks about SOS, team RPI, conference RPI, other metrics. Those don't come into play when a weekly poll is is developed, it's all about where were you last week and who did you beat/lose to this week.

Committee also does mock "brackets" every couple weeks in January and February...Seth Davis (CBS) regularly attends these and talks about what the committee is looking at and it definitely isn't the same line of thinking as pollsters.

 

[AdaSooner]

The committee routinely talks about SOS, team RPI, conference RPI, other metrics. Those don't come into play when a weekly poll is is developed, it's all about where were you last week and who did you beat/lose to this week.

Committee also does mock "brackets" every couple weeks in January and February...Seth Davis (CBS) regularly attends these and talks about what the committee is looking at and it definitely isn't the same line of thinking as pollsters.

Makes sense. I feel better about our chances of being seeded higher now. I knew the computer rankings were more of a factor than the people polls. I had no idea the committee went to those lengths to get it right. Thanks!

 

[MI Sooner]

Bad losses don't matter as much as good wins, at least if you have good wins. Other important factors we have (or could have) going for us is performance away from home and a how you finish. I could easily see us passing Syracuse due to this.

They lose @FSU and in the conference tournament and we win out, we'll be ahead of them. If we play OSU, ISU, and KU in the conference tournament and beat them all, there aren't too many teams we couldn't pass if they finish poorly.

Everything would have to align properly, and everything aligning properly is still a remote possibility, but we could still be on that 2 line.