Inaccurate claims re Sherri Coale/OU WBB found on the OU official site

[SoonerNorm]

I'll quibble with that. I don't think Geno was found guilty of anything (except by Pat). Sherri self-reported a very limited number of excess phone calls. Kim was found guilty after an NCAA investigation of a large number of phone calls and the greater violation of a number of impermissible contacts with recruits' parents at AAU games. Geno received no penalty from the NCAA; Sherri received no penalty from the NCAA; Kim (and Baylor) was penalized by the NCAA (but not nearly enough).

I thought UCONN self-reported a violation regarding Moore but you could be right.

Yes, I agree there are degrees of violations and I concur Sherri's extra calls or texts wasn't that big of a deal inspite of the fact Kelvin got hammered for the same thing.

Kim was guilty of violations, no question, and I doubt she will be so careless with the rules in the future.

 

[NMSooner'80]

I know. I know. Sherri is an incompetent crook. Kim is the person we should all aspire to be.

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Couldn't resist!

 

[Soonerbay]

Yes, there is the caught and the uncaught; the self reported and the oops, I forgot! some more than others, but it happens just about everywhere in some form. For every self report, I'd venture to say there a at least three that were not reported regardless of the program or coach.

 

[NMSooner'80]

Back to the topic of "inaccurate claims," I assume that has to do with Page 13 of the 2012-13 Media Guide. I imagine that was just never updated, and that no Mulkey-bashing conspiracy was involved with that note on Sherri's career record. She did top Marsha Sharp's record (at the time), and I'm going to assume they just didn't clarify the current situation.

 

[35TangoTango]

True Colors knows all that. He's just trolling, trying to yank our chains.

 

[BlackwellSooner]

I'll quibble with that. I don't think Geno was found guilty of anything (except by Pat). Sherri self-reported a very limited number of excess phone calls. Kim was found guilty after an NCAA investigation of a large number of phone calls and the greater violation of a number of impermissible contacts with recruits' parents at AAU games. Geno received no penalty from the NCAA; Sherri received no penalty from the NCAA; Kim (and Baylor) was penalized by the NCAA (but not nearly enough).

Exactly.

I know that the NCAA probably does not take into account the magnitude of the effect that the player involved (ref: Griner) has on a program if the coach(es) involved are successful in recruiting.
Griner was a once-in-a-generation talent, someone on a plateau with Michael Jordan, Wilt Chamberlain or Oscar R. She was and is that good, a program-changer. Baylor was getting to be really good before Griner,but with the addition of Griner and Sims, they have raised their level to the UCONNS of the women's basketball world.

Don't tell me that Mulkey knew that she was cheating, but didn't care if she got the big enchilada.

You always defend Mulkey, Norm, but tell me this honestly: Do you honestly think that Sherri would stoop to that kind of flagrant cheating?

... Neither do I.

I respect Mulkey's intensity and her ability to coach up her players, but I do not respect her cheating, her sideline demeanor and histrionics. If you watched her (we all have) one would think that she and her team was getting the shaft every game.

 

[SoonerNorm]

Exactly.

I know that the NCAA probably does not take into account the magnitude of the effect that the player involved (ref: Griner) has on a program if the coach(es) involved are successful in recruiting.
Griner was a once-in-a-generation talent, someone on a plateau with Michael Jordan, Wilt Chamberlain or Oscar R. She was and is that good, a program-changer. Baylor was getting to be really good before Griner,but with the addition of Griner and Sims, they have raised their level to the UCONNS of the women's basketball world.

Don't tell me that Mulkey knew that she was cheating, but didn't care if she got the big enchilada.

You always defend Mulkey, Norm, but tell me this honestly: Do you honestly think that Sherri would stoop to that kind of flagrant cheating?

... Neither do I.

I respect Mulkey's intensity and her ability to coach up her players, but I do not respect her cheating, her sideline demeanor and histrionics. If you watched her (we all have) one would think that she and her team was getting the shaft every game.

I will defend any coach (including Geno whom I do not like) when I think a defense is warranted. I see a great deal of hypocrisy in the firm of "it doesn't matter if our own coaches are guilty of cheating but let's blast other coaches for cheating anyway". Yes, I do think that's wrong but it seems to get justified by saying, "what someone else did is worse".

I have said what Kim did was wrong. If that's not sufficient condemnation of her actions, I'm sorry about that.

 

[BlackwellSooner]

You always defend Mulkey, Norm, but tell me this honestly: Do you honestly think that Sherri would stoop to that kind of flagrant cheating?

You didn't answer the question. Do you?

I see a great deal of hypocrisy in the firm of "it doesn't matter if our own coaches are guilty of cheating but let's blast other coaches for cheating anyway". Yes, I do think that's wrong but it seems to get justified by saying, "what someone else did is worse".

And to lump Sherri in with other coaches who have cheated begs the question of the degree of the infraction and whether it was incidental or premeditated, and whether it was self-reported or the offending coach had to be caught in the act.

Regarding Geno, I can see where some might call him smug or arrogant, but I have never read or heard of any account where Geno took potshots at players from other teams. Or cracked to the media something on the order of "we've won a NC, have they?" Stuff like that...

I personally think that he is one heck of a coach and I would love to have him as our coach, were Sherri not already OU's head coach. I can't say the same for Kim.

 

[SoonerNorm]

You didn't answer the question. Do you?


And to lump Sherri in with other coaches who have cheated begs the question of the degree of the infraction and whether it was incidental or premeditated, and whether it was self-reported or the offending coach had to be caught in the act.

Regarding Geno, I can see where some might call him smug or arrogant, but I have never read or heard of any account where Geno took potshots at players from other teams. Or cracked to the media something on the order of "we've won a NC, have they?" Stuff like that...

I personally think that he is one heck of a coach and I would love to have him as our coach, were Sherri not already OU's head coach. I can't say the same for Kim.

I do not think Sherri would blatently cheat. We have had other coaches at OU that I couldn't say that about.

Some have complained that Kim got off light. I don't know, maybe she did. Would it make a difference if Griner and the other recruits told the NCAA that it would have made no difference where Kim sat at the games, they had already decided to attend Baylor anyway? If that happened, where is the recruiting advantage? I don't know what those girls told the NCAA but I strongly suspect the NCAA concluded where she sat was not a huge factor in which school the girls signed with. But, I certainly could be wrong in my thinking. Bottom line is, Kim was guilty of violations and was punished. End of story.

As far as comments Kim has made, I didn't hear the interview but if she said what has been reported here, I think she was over the line and should apologize to Sherri, if she hasn't already.

 

[BlackwellSooner]

As far as comments Kim has made, I didn't hear the interview but if she said what has been reported here, I think she was over the line and should apologize to Sherri, if she hasn't already.

I won't hold my breath waiting for that to happen...

 

[tycat947]

You didn't answer the question. Do you?


And to lump Sherri in with other coaches who have cheated begs the question of the degree of the infraction and whether it was incidental or premeditated, and whether it was self-reported or the offending coach had to be caught in the act.

Regarding Geno, I can see where some might call him smug or arrogant, but I have never read or heard of any account where Geno took potshots at players from other teams. Or cracked to the media something on the order of "we've won a NC, have they?" Stuff like that...

I personally think that he is one heck of a coach and I would love to have him as our coach, were Sherri not already OU's head coach. I can't say the same for Kim.

I totally agree!

Kim was a star, as a player, on a NC program, LaTech, and she was an assistant at that program for years. She was given an opportunity to become a head coach at Hypocrite U and took that opportunity and has done very well. But IMO she thinks she entitled! She cheated to get one of the best, if not the best, player to play in women's college basketball by using her daughter. Still, I could probably list 20 women's coaches, that IMO, would have won more than 2 (if indeed they do win this year and that's not a given!) NCs with the roster she's had, including Brittney Griner. I'd be shocked if Geno wasn't playing for his 4th NC this spring with the roster she's had. She's a good recruiter (cheater) and an excellent motivator but I don't think she's the best X's and O's coach by quite a ways. I will never be a fan of Kim Mulkey, regardless of where she goes, whether she's the Olympic coach or whatever. Her behavior on the court/sidelines and in front of the media sometimes is pathetic and every game she loses is a win for me!!!

 

[sybarite]

I do not think Sherri would blatently cheat. We have had other coaches at OU that I couldn't say that about.

Some have complained that Kim got off light. I don't know, maybe she did. Would it make a difference if Griner and the other recruits told the NCAA that it would have made no difference where Kim sat at the games, they had already decided to attend Baylor anyway? If that happened, where is the recruiting advantage? I don't know what those girls told the NCAA but I strongly suspect the NCAA concluded where she sat was not a huge factor in which school the girls signed with. But, I certainly could be wrong in my thinking. Bottom line is, Kim was guilty of violations and was punished. End of story.

As far as comments Kim has made, I didn't hear the interview but if she said what has been reported here, I think she was over the line and should apologize to Sherri, if she hasn't already.

A crime or an NCAA violation is not dependent on whether you gained a perceptible advantage. You can't rob a bank for fun and give the money back. They still take a dim view of robbing the bank. You don't know that Kim's presence with the prospects didn't prevent some other avenue of legal recruitment, like someone with some sanity explaining that they had other options. Fact: Kim violated a rule. She's tried every approach to justify it. "I was only being a good parent." That's probably harder to believe than the claim that she didn't know she couldn't sit with them. The rule was there specifically to prevent exactly what Kim was doing. It's not like it was an insignificant little rule that didn't mean much. The rule was quite specific, and it was intended to prevent exactly what Kim did.

Kim is about more than just a couple of incidents with coaches and a few rules violations. Kim is the coach whose teams have hit players with fists, blindsided opponents with deliberate elbows, pulled people's hair, and fouled people while they were out of bounds. There is no limit to what Kim will resort to in order to win a game. She has no boundaries. If you think she has an self-imposed boundaries or standard of ethics beyond which she won't tread, what might they be? Is there anything she wouldn't do? Are rules the only thing separating Kim from doing anything? Society really becomes a problem when you have to make rules about everything.

How far do you trust Kim?

 

[SoonerNorm]

I won't hold my breath waiting for that to happen...

Perhaps she has already...who knows.

 

[MsProudSooner]

Perhaps she has already...who knows.

When we played Texas Tech earlier in the year, I watched Sherri and Coach Curry exchange hugs and converse for a minute or two before the game. Maybe you could watch how Sherry & Kim interact before the game when we play them in Norman.

 

[SoonerNorm]

Syb, if the NCAA thought Kim was a tenth as bad as you think she is, they would have hammered her. I would say it's pretty clear they do not agree with you.

 

[sybarite]

Syb, if the NCAA thought Kim was a tenth as bad as you think she is, they would have hammered her. I would say it's pretty clear they do not agree with you.

I just think they lack the guts, so far.

 

[True Colors]

A crime or an NCAA violation is not dependent on whether you gained a perceptible advantage. You can't rob a bank for fun and give the money back. They still take a dim view of robbing the bank. You don't know that Kim's presence with the prospects didn't prevent some other avenue of legal recruitment, like someone with some sanity explaining that they had other options. Fact: Kim violated a rule. She's tried every approach to justify it. "I was only being a good parent." That's probably harder to believe than the claim that she didn't know she couldn't sit with them. The rule was there specifically to prevent exactly what Kim was doing. It's not like it was an insignificant little rule that didn't mean much. The rule was quite specific, and it was intended to prevent exactly what Kim did.

Kim is about more than just a couple of incidents with coaches and a few rules violations. Kim is the coach whose teams have hit players with fists, blindsided opponents with deliberate elbows, pulled people's hair, and fouled people while they were out of bounds. There is no limit to what Kim will resort to in order to win a game. She has no boundaries. If you think she has an self-imposed boundaries or standard of ethics beyond which she won't tread, what might they be? Is there anything she wouldn't do? Are rules the only thing separating Kim from doing anything? Society really becomes a problem when you have to make rules about everything.

How far do you trust Kim?

Please cite the NCAA rule that dictates where coaches can(or cannot) sit.

People make themselves look uninformed when they accuse Mulkey to be guilty of violating a rule which does not even exist.

TC

 

[SoonerNorm]

Please cite the NCAA rule that dictates where coaches can(or cannot) sit.

People make themselves look uninformed when they accuse Mulkey to be guilty of violating a rule which does not even exist.

TC

While it is not a violation where a coach sits, it is a violation if the coach talks to the recruit or the recruit's family while sitting there. That, as well as illegal phone calls and texts is what got Kim in trouble.

 

[sybarite]

Please cite the NCAA rule that dictates where coaches can(or cannot) sit.

People make themselves look uninformed when they accuse Mulkey to be guilty of violating a rule which does not even exist.

TC

Garbage pickup is on Friday.