Is Capel blackballed by AAU coaches?

jessegl25 said:
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The good thing, brother, it won't be long til we are both on the same side again - simply supporting our team regardless of the coach. I truly believe whether its with Capel or without, our team will return to it's rightful place. Look no further than Arizona for proof of how a tradition rich program can rebound...
 
I didn't mean to hijack the thread.

So what's the remedy for Capel to fix his perception with the AAU crowd?
 
jessegl25 said:
I didn't mean to hijack the thread.

So what's the remedy for Capel to fix his perception with the AAU crowd?
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I mean this in the best possible way. I believe he will have to sell THEM, just like he does you. He MAY just have to concentrate on Okla for a few years.
 
jessegl25 said:
I didn't mean to hijack the thread.

So what's the remedy for Capel to fix his perception with the AAU crowd?
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If what Chico and others on the board say is right, then he can't fix it unless he starts apologizing to them and stop the big-timing (the AAU coaches). One would think a coach who has turned out 2 really bad teams at a good basketball program would be humbled a little.
 
Okay, so I don't usually jump in and talk about stuff as non-specific as this; but I feel like I should put a different perspective out there since it's been stated so definitively that the DFW area travel teams have "blackballed" Capel.

IMO, there are a couple of different issues to be addressed with this generalization.

  1. What is the definition of blackballed? When I think of blackballed, I think of shutting someone out, without regard to situation or circumstance. I can ASSURE you that Tony Johnson, Wes Grandstaff, Jazzy Hartwell, Scott Pospichal, and others are NOT going around publicly talking about shutting Capel out - without regard to the current state of the program - just because they disagreed with the handling of a couple of specific situations.
  2. Which programs are the top programs? DFW has teams every year placing kids in D1 programs. To say unequivocally, without question that Texas Assault, Texas Blue Chips, Team Texas, Team Texas Titans, Dallas Showtyme, Urban Elite, Dallas Mustangs, or the TA Pistons would not allow a player to sign with OU because of a perceived issue with Capel - again, without regard to the current state of the program - is simply a false statement.

I know for a fact that Julius Randal and Marcus Smart, to name two, are serious in their interest in OU. There are many, many talented players in this area in the next three classes! OU will be in on many of them, but will struggle to sign any of them if the talent level isn't raised substantially, AND if that elevation in the talent pool doesn't translate into a perceived opportunity for wins and restoration of national recognition.

The DFW area programs that I'm intimately knowledgeable of will steer their prospects to OU again, when OU again is of national relevance. Period.
 
SoonerDAZE said:
Okay, so I don't usually jump in and talk about stuff as non-specific as this; but I feel like I should put a different perspective out there since it's been stated so definitively that the DFW area travel teams have "blackballed" Capel.

IMO, there are a couple of different issues to be addressed with this generalization.

  1. What is the definition of blackballed? When I think of blackballed, I think of shutting someone out, without regard to situation or circumstance. I can ASSURE you that Tony Johnson, Wes Grandstaff, Jazzy Hartwell, Scott Pospichal, and others are NOT going around publicly talking about shutting Capel out - without regard to the current state of the program - just because they disagreed with the handling of a couple of specific situations.
  2. Which programs are the top programs? DFW has teams every year placing kids in D1 programs. To say unequivocally, without question that Texas Assault, Texas Blue Chips, Team Texas, Team Texas Titans, Dallas Showtyme, Urban Elite, Dallas Mustangs, or the TA Pistons would not allow a player to sign with OU because of a perceived issue with Capel - again, without regard to the current state of the program - is simply a false statement.

I know for a fact that Julius Randal and Marcus Smart, to name two, are serious in their interest in OU. There are many, many talented players in this area in the next three classes! OU will be in on many of them, but will struggle to sign any of them if the talent level isn't raised substantially, AND if that elevation in the talent pool doesn't translate into a perceived opportunity for wins and restoration of national recognition.

The DFW area programs that I'm intimately knowledgeable of will steer their prospects to OU again, when OU again is of national relevance. Period.
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Thanks for the post DAZE! Tell those guys it only takes a couple of them ala Blake Griffin, to restore OU to its rightful place...
 
I just don't see why Tiny and WW are getting lumped in...Tiny was most likely coming back before he was forced out due to the loan, which happened BEFORE HE GOT TO CAMPUS (remember, he got to Norman late and missed summer workouts). WW stated in high school he wanted to be one and done, then changed to two and done. People forget he was a projected lottery pick after his freshman year.

Tiny wanted to stay.

WW was gone regardless, he was NBA bound.

Have to agree with what Daze wrote, if OU wins games there will be a pipeline of talent...if things continue, than there won't. Simple enough.
 
Three out of five losing seasons doesn't help OU in recruiting. Capel has failed to win.
 
I guess that Daze just kind of screwed up another ABSOLUTE JC lynchin'.:ez-laugh:
 
SoonerBounce13 said:
i don't believe that for a second. why do you feel like this?
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I thought he mentioned he was looking to come back. They would of let him test the waters if he wanted but he would soon realize he was over his head at that time and return.

Honestly, I just think he was stuck in a toxic situation with the dissent between WW and TMG, then given the loan fiasco it's easy to make him out as one of the bad guys too.
 
DM said:
I think Jones is committed to Baylor.
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Matt is not committed anywhere. It's too early in the game for him. If I had to put a lead horse label on one, I'd say A&M, but even that's a stretch! Not to say it won't be Baylor at some point, but it's not Baylor right now. This summer will be very telling as he (along with the rest of the Titans) will be playing EYBL all summer against the best 2012's in the country. Stay tuned.
 
This is an amazing thread. Very little info provided to back up that Capel has been blackballed as prominent, supposedly connected posters have spewed on multiple boards.

Name one coach, I mean one, that has fallen on the sword when an assistant got caught breaking the rules. Jeff is supposed to "man up" and say "I knew all along that coach O was helping wire money to Tiny's mom and I supported it because I thought it was just". Give me a physical break. He would, at this juncture, be part of the national unemployment statistics himself. Holding Jeff responsible for not doing this is beyond disingenious.

So if we are being boycotted by the AAU, how in the world did we ever sign Cameron Clark? A top 40 in the country player out of Texas? Did he not play on one of the teams allegedly boycotting OU?

Jeff was very charitable toward his players who literally dropped a bomb on his program. TMG is just unbelievably stubborn and hardheaded from every thing that has been put forth on his behalf - tweets, comments, visible actions. Jeff never trashed the kid despite all of that. Willie Warren got a few shots from Jeff in the papers - as he well should have. Tiny Gallon got no heat from Jeff in the papers, at least not that I saw. I can live with whomever is upset at Jeff about this trio of selfish players who could not see beyond their own concerns. And throw in Crocker for grins and we get the whole shooting match for a song....

I work with people who as soon as things go wrong they just want to bomb the place and start over. Sometimes that is correct but often it is not even remotely the best choice. Jeff is in trouble and he has made mistakes. I don't know if he will get another chance to right the ship. He is also a young coach with a very young team on the floor right now. And like a lot of folks find out, when you are down there are plenty of people willing to kick you even though they have no constructive plan on how to get better.
 
SoonerDAZE said:
Okay, so I don't usually jump in and talk about stuff as non-specific as this; but I feel like I should put a different perspective out there since it's been stated so definitively that the DFW area travel teams have "blackballed" Capel.

IMO, there are a couple of different issues to be addressed with this generalization.

  1. What is the definition of blackballed? When I think of blackballed, I think of shutting someone out, without regard to situation or circumstance. I can ASSURE you that Tony Johnson, Wes Grandstaff, Jazzy Hartwell, Scott Pospichal, and others are NOT going around publicly talking about shutting Capel out - without regard to the current state of the program - just because they disagreed with the handling of a couple of specific situations.
  2. Which programs are the top programs? DFW has teams every year placing kids in D1 programs. To say unequivocally, without question that Texas Assault, Texas Blue Chips, Team Texas, Team Texas Titans, Dallas Showtyme, Urban Elite, Dallas Mustangs, or the TA Pistons would not allow a player to sign with OU because of a perceived issue with Capel - again, without regard to the current state of the program - is simply a false statement.

I know for a fact that Julius Randal and Marcus Smart, to name two, are serious in their interest in OU. There are many, many talented players in this area in the next three classes! OU will be in on many of them, but will struggle to sign any of them if the talent level isn't raised substantially, AND if that elevation in the talent pool doesn't translate into a perceived opportunity for wins and restoration of national recognition.

The DFW area programs that I'm intimately knowledgeable of will steer their prospects to OU again, when OU again is of national relevance. Period.
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Seems like BS to me. Do they not steer kids to OSU, Baylor and Tech? Those programs are hardly of national relevance right now. Baylor has made a couple of NCAA Tournaments but never seriously competed for the Big XII Championship or a National Title. OSU missed three NCAA Tournaments in a row and they were one and done for two years. That is not a team of national relevance. Tech is the worst program in the South right now (although Capel is giving Knight a run for his money). What about other regional schools such as Arkansas, LSU, SMU, TCU, Houston, Tulsa, Utep, New Mexico, New Mexico State, and North Texas - are DFW kids steered away from those schools because they are not "of national relevance".


I have no idea if Capel is blackballed but this "of national relevance" theory just doesn't pass the smell test as a reason. The only schools in the region that are "of national relevance" right now are KU and Texas. A&M and Missouri are on the cusp. Everyone else is pretty far from national relevance right now.
If these coaches cared about the kids at all, they would steer them to schools that graduate players and are a good fit for the kid in terms of style. Very few will make the NBA and the few that do will only play a year or so.
 
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