Is the Pressure Going To Increase On Sherri?

soonerstar said:
The article on newsok.com did not show Coale getting a raise or contract extension, but they might have inadvertenly omitted her. Gasso got a 5,000 ndollar raise and extension thru 2021.
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http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsext...cle_6fa67ec5-d1c7-55ee-bb7e-5866ce01901e.html It seems the Tulsa World website always has better information on everything, even on OU, than The Daily Oklahoman website.
Do not know about hard copies.

"Women’s basketball coach Sherri Coale was extended through 2021, as well. Coale's yearly salary remained at a guaranteed $1.1 million per year. Three assistant coaches, Pam DeCosta (up $8,000), Jan Ross (up $3,000) and Chad Thrailkill (up $3,000) received extensions through 2017."

"Riley, who made $500,000 during his first year with the Sooners, received a raise to $850,000 annually. An annual $50,000 stay bonus, paid in 2016 and 2017, was also implemented in Riley’s contract.

Defensive coordinator Mike Stoops received a $50,000 raise to his $850,000 annual salary.

Both Riley and Stoops will make $900,000 under their current contracts through 2018."

I don't think Mike should have gotten a raise but I guess it would be offensive
to him not to make the same as Riley. The thing is Riley is a hot commodity and I do not think Mike is, plus I am just not sure that he has done well enough to deserve the raise and I am talking in all the things that a coach should do. I could very well be wrong. Not a supporter of football at any level.

"Boren reiterated during Tuesday's regents meeting that none of the funding for coaching salaries, stadium renovations or additions to the Lloyd Noble Center would come from tuition fees or taxpayer money. OU announced a 7 percent increase to tuition and mandatory student fees, both in-state and out-of-state, during the meeting." Glad about the bolded. I do not want my tax dollars going to any of those things.

"We are now operating at the University on $160 million less than we received in 2008 and we have 1,000-1,500 more students," Boren said.

Boren, along with all OU Vice Presidents and officers, will take a 3 percent pay cut to help nullify the effects of the state budget shortfall."

3percent is not much but is better than nothing. Of course, I do not know what they make. I truly doubt it will effect Boren at all.

Operating on the same money as 2008 may not be a huge deficit with the reduction in Og&E prices, not sure about ONG, and gasoline prices. However,
food prices are still up. And all the students' tuition is up 7 percent. Not saying the economy is good but without the numbers, maybe OU is not worse off than 2008 or maybe just a little.
 
womenssports said:
http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsext...cle_6fa67ec5-d1c7-55ee-bb7e-5866ce01901e.html It seems the Tulsa World website always has better information on everything, even on OU, than The Daily Oklahoman website.
Do not know about hard copies.

"Women’s basketball coach Sherri Coale was extended through 2021, as well. Coale's yearly salary remained at a guaranteed $1.1 million per year. Three assistant coaches, Pam DeCosta (up $8,000), Jan Ross (up $3,000) and Chad Thrailkill (up $3,000) received extensions through 2017."

"Riley, who made $500,000 during his first year with the Sooners, received a raise to $850,000 annually. An annual $50,000 stay bonus, paid in 2016 and 2017, was also implemented in Riley’s contract.

Defensive coordinator Mike Stoops received a $50,000 raise to his $850,000 annual salary.

Both Riley and Stoops will make $900,000 under their current contracts through 2018."

I don't think Mike should have gotten a raise but I guess it would be offensive
to him not to make the same as Riley. The thing is Riley is a hot commodity and I do not think Mike is, plus I am just not sure that he has done well enough to deserve the raise and I am talking in all the things that a coach should do. I could very well be wrong. Not a supporter of football at any level.

"Boren reiterated during Tuesday's regents meeting that none of the funding for coaching salaries, stadium renovations or additions to the Lloyd Noble Center would come from tuition fees or taxpayer money. OU announced a 7 percent increase to tuition and mandatory student fees, both in-state and out-of-state, during the meeting." Glad about the bolded. I do not want my tax dollars going to any of those things.

"We are now operating at the University on $160 million less than we received in 2008 and we have 1,000-1,500 more students," Boren said.

Boren, along with all OU Vice Presidents and officers, will take a 3 percent pay cut to help nullify the effects of the state budget shortfall."

3percent is not much but is better than nothing. Of course, I do not know what they make. I truly doubt it will effect Boren at all.

Operating on the same money as 2008 may not be a huge deficit with the reduction in Og&E prices, not sure about ONG, and gasoline prices. However,
food prices are still up. And all the students' tuition is up 7 percent. Not saying the economy is good but without the numbers, maybe OU is not worse off than 2008 or maybe just a little.
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Rest assured you are not getting what you want. OSU is subsidizing their athletic program with your tax dollars every year to the tune of $7.8 million in 2015. That equal 8.13% of the athletic departments budget. Note that OU's subsidy is zero. OU actually gives a donation to university academics annually it has amounted to $25 million over the last 5 years. Several OU coaches also have donated to the library fund as has the athletic department.

OU's athletic department is one of six or seven that is self sufficient and operates in the black on an annual basis. OU has been doing so ever since Joe Castiglione got things turned around from his predecessors shortly after his arrival.


http://www.pistolsfiringblog.com/oklahoma-state-ranks-no-26-nationally-revenue-96m/

http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsext...cle_abcab6ec-3cb6-5301-a546-c363707cea42.html

http://www.ou.edu/publicaffairs/arc...owsFreeAdmissionToFredJonesJrMuseumOfArt.html

http://voicesfromtheheartland.blogspot.com/2013/04/university-of-oklahoma-athletics.html

http://newsok.com/article/2797376

https://ouhos.org/2013/04/04/ou-ath...nuscript-for-ou-libraries-galileo-collection/
 
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Romulus said:
How much does Patty Gasso make compared to Sherri?
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Here ya go:

Gasso's salary (best figure that I could find) was $476,000/year

Sherri (again, best figure I can find) is making $1,207,400/year.

OU has won three softball national championships under Gasso. The first came in 2000, 2013 and her third earlier this month.

I guess that women's basketball head coach is a more prestigious job than women's softball HC - Gasso has THREE National Championships, Sherri NONE. Gasso has been at OU 22 years, Sherri 20, so Patty has seniority on Sherri.... So, why the huge disparity in salaries?

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Unfortunately, softball is not a huge revenue maker. This is the ONLY reason why Gasso makes what she does. If softball made more money, like football and basketball, she would be making much more. And absolutely should.

Personally, I think that there are quite a few coaches on campus who are getting paid way too much. In terms of results on field/court.
 
If you are paying someone millions of dollars, you should expect to get elite results.
 
The last four years or so we've overpaid for Sherri. I doubt she would dispute that. The first fifteen years of her career here at Oklahoma, her compensation didn't sniff her impact. I doubt anyone could dispute that.

She needs to do better. My money's on her.
 
sybarite said:
Women's Basketball Hall of Fame.

Someone thinks she has.
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I think that is a well deserved honor that is worth nothing on the basketball court unless she uses it to bring in top talent and win championships. Otherwise she is continuing to rest on her laurels.
 
SoonerSpock said:
I think that is a well deserved honor that is worth nothing on the basketball court unless she uses it to bring in top talent and win championships. Otherwise she is continuing to rest on her laurels.
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If by rest on her laurels you mean "be so satisfied with what one has already achieved that one makes no further effort." I think you are overstating the situation. Sherri works hard. I think she needs to analyze where the program is and where she wants it to go and then determine how to get there. She cannot be satisfied with the most recent results.
 
BanjoCharley said:
If by rest on her laurels you mean "be so satisfied with what one has already achieved that one makes no further effort." I think you are overstating the situation. Sherri works hard. I think she needs to analyze where the program is and where she wants it to go and then determine how to get there. She cannot be satisfied with the most recent results.
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Personally I think she has already had about 6 years to analyze where the program is and where it is going. Where the program needs to go is easy. Getting there is the difficult part.

The Sooners need to seriously contend for the conference and national championship on a consistent basis. That takes talent. For certain Patty, K.J and Mark Williams have shown that top talent will come to Norman, OK on a consistent basis. Now Sherri just needs to do the same thing.

We also know that the administration will give all its coaches the facilities and resources necessary to compete for championships. Now Sherri just needs to step up and get the job done. I think there is no reason she should not be able to win 3 or more conference championships per decade. Finish in the top 2 as least 50% of the time. I think she should also take the Sooners to the Great Eight or beyond with similar frequency. Anything less and she is grossly over paid.

The teams she has put on the court in recent years were not capable of that kind of success. We have seen marginal improvement in recruiting top talent but far less than what her major competitors (Texas and Baylor) are bring in. And less than what she needs to compete and win against them consistently.

Sherri needs to fix the problem, tell the OU fans to lower their expectations or retire. We as OU fans need to give her two, three or maybe even four years if things are moving in the right direction to get things turned around. But I am not optimistic. Otherwise Sherri needs to go.
 
Patty, K.J. and Mark are superb coaches. But, if they were recruiting from the same pool as Sherri, I doubt they would have a title. A kid who is college-ready in softball or gymnastics has had the advantage of parents who have spent thousands, if not more than a hundred thousand, on coaching and travel for their kid. That isn't the group from whom Sherri is coaching.

The issue is more appropriately defined with a different question. Who could come to Norman and recruit better than Sherri has? Don't bring up the evil queen. I don't think we want her or anyone who would play for her. If you examine what we have had, we have had some excellent players who didn't pan out exactly as intended. Hand had ACL injuries, as has Maddie. How many others have we had with that problem? We had a post with a torn Achilles whose sub was recovering from an ACL. Chelsi, Kendra, Britney, Erin, Gileysa, Vivi, ----how many others have had injuries? In order to survive that, we needed depth, which was difficult to get in a school not known for basketball.

We have also had some that really didn't rise to the level of a McDonald's All-American. While we had Ashley and Courtney, we also had some other talented guards, all of whom tore up their knees. We had a McDonald's All-American forward and post in Amanda and Abi. But, did they really perform like they could have? Amanda never did become a good shooter. Abi didn't wake up until the second semester of her senior year. Aaryn seemed to regress rather than take up a leadership role. We desperately needed a Stacey Dales to go with Courtney. A healthy Whitney might have been enough, especially with DRob.

But, we never had it all together. We have not had a team since 2000 that wasn't missing some key links. Recruiting or injury luck?

I rather hope that Nancy works out, and Maddie remains around for her sixth year. I think a team of Nancy, Vivi, Maddie, Gabbi, Ana, Chelsea, Morgan, and maybe Ijeoma can do it. I think it has all the pieces, if they develop and remain healthy---just one year of good health.

But, remember that OU has NEVER won a men's or women's basketball title. The men have had over a hundred years. The women have had about forty, twenty of which were under a coach who cared. Can it be done? It isn't the same recruiting to a school that just had an SAE incident.

If you think we will replace Sherri with some sensational coach who can recruit to Norman, name her. Courtney? Stacey? DRob? I think you fail to understand Norman and the basketball recruit. The fact that Sherri can even get some of these kids to talk to her is remarkable.
 
National titles?? Who is talking national titles?
And quit the litany of injury excuses. Everyone has ACL injuries in women's hoops.
Here's the real question.
Can we win the Big 12 again? And legitimately compete for it year over year?
Can we make a final four/final eight run once every 4 years? Winning a title
is crapshoot after that.

Those are realistic expectations established by past performance. Sherri from 1999 to 2010
And OU women's hoops the last 4 four years is below that line.
Meanwhile after inheriting jack squat and ncaa probation and an empty arena,
and a much more vicious money laden recruiting environment.
Lon is well on his way to over achieving that expectation.

And saying Sherri is a HOF coach as a response to everything is the dumbest thing I've ever seen on a message board.
 
atlantasooner said:
National titles?? Who is talking national titles?
And quit the litany of injury excuses. Everyone has ACL injuries in women's hoops.
Here's the real question.
Can we win the Big 12 again? And legitimately compete for it year over year?
Can we make a final four/final eight run once every 4 years? Winning a title
is crapshoot after that.

Those are realistic expectations established by past performance. Sherri from 1999 to 2010
And OU women's hoops the last 4 four years is below that line.
Meanwhile after inheriting jack squat and ncaa probation and an empty arena,
and a much more vicious money laden recruiting environment.
Lon is well on his way to over achieving that expectation.

And saying Sherri is a HOF coach as a response to everything is the dumbest thing I've ever seen on a message board.
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You would think so. Wouldn't you? There is a reason that they selected her for that honor. Is there anyone else who could have achieved that in Norman?

And, you are one of those who always wants a title.
 
sybarite you always make excuses for Sherri. To say no one else could match Sherri's record in norman is laughable.

Coach Gasso & Coach Kindler get elite talent to come to Norman. Sherri used to but hasn't had that kind of talent on her team in a few years.

Coach Gasso walked into the same situation as Sherri,building a program from nothing. Coach Kindler to a certain extent as well.
 
annabelle said:
sybarite you always make excuses for Sherri. To say no one else could match Sherri's record in norman is laughable.

Coach Gasso & Coach Kindler get elite talent to come to Norman. Sherri used to but hasn't had that kind of talent on her team in a few years.

Coach Gasso walked into the same situation as Sherri,building a program from nothing. Coach Kindler to a certain extent as well.
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As I said, Patty, K.J., and Mark don't recruit the same players as Sherri. Do I need to repeat it again and again? They don't you think about it instead?
 
sybarite said:
Patty, K.J. and Mark are superb coaches. But, if they were recruiting from the same pool as Sherri, I doubt they would have a title. A kid who is college-ready in softball or gymnastics has had the advantage of parents who have spent thousands, if not more than a hundred thousand, on coaching and travel for their kid. That isn't the group from whom Sherri is coaching.

The issue is more appropriately defined with a different question. Who could come to Norman and recruit better than Sherri has? Don't bring up the evil queen. I don't think we want her or anyone who would play for her. If you examine what we have had, we have had some excellent players who didn't pan out exactly as intended. Hand had ACL injuries, as has Maddie. How many others have we had with that problem? We had a post with a torn Achilles whose sub was recovering from an ACL. Chelsi, Kendra, Britney, Erin, Gileysa, Vivi, ----how many others have had injuries? In order to survive that, we needed depth, which was difficult to get in a school not known for basketball.

We have also had some that really didn't rise to the level of a McDonald's All-American. While we had Ashley and Courtney, we also had some other talented guards, all of whom tore up their knees. We had a McDonald's All-American forward and post in Amanda and Abi. But, did they really perform like they could have? Amanda never did become a good shooter. Abi didn't wake up until the second semester of her senior year. Aaryn seemed to regress rather than take up a leadership role. We desperately needed a Stacey Dales to go with Courtney. A healthy Whitney might have been enough, especially with DRob.

But, we never had it all together. We have not had a team since 2000 that wasn't missing some key links. Recruiting or injury luck?

I rather hope that Nancy works out, and Maddie remains around for her sixth year. I think a team of Nancy, Vivi, Maddie, Gabbi, Ana, Chelsea, Morgan, and maybe Ijeoma can do it. I think it has all the pieces, if they develop and remain healthy---just one year of good health.

But, remember that OU has NEVER won a men's or women's basketball title. The men have had over a hundred years. The women have had about forty, twenty of which were under a coach who cared. Can it be done? It isn't the same recruiting to a school that just had an SAE incident.

If you think we will replace Sherri with some sensational coach who can recruit to Norman, name her. Courtney? Stacey? DRob? I think you fail to understand Norman and the basketball recruit. The fact that Sherri can even get some of these kids to talk to her is remarkable.
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Who is this evil queen?
 
sybarite said:
As I said, Patty, K.J., and Mark don't recruit the same players as Sherri. Do I need to repeat it again and again? They don't you think about it instead?
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You're argument might have a little more credibility if Sherri could more than occasionally land the top OK recruits.
 
sybarite said:
You would think so. Wouldn't you? There is a reason that they selected her for that honor. Is there anyone else who could have achieved that in Norman?

And, you are one of those who always wants a title.
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Yes I think that a hall of fame coach who has had the success on the court that Sherri had 2002-2010 that could take a program like OU's when Sherri was hired and get to the Final Four in 2002 could keep the program elevated to a level where she could win at least one maybe even 2 and hopefully 3 conference championships in the last 6 years. No instead we are now getting to 2nd place only half the time during a period of time when the conference has been somewhat down with only OU, Baylor and some years Texas really having quality teams.

And yes six years does a trend make. There is no justification from a basketball perspective to continue to pay Sherri $1.1 million to perform at this level. No reason to get alarmed but expectations need to be made.

I am sorry Syb but there are probably 20 coaches that could produce at the same level as Sherri has the last 6 years in Norman for less than half the dollars expended.

Also don't give me that crap that she is paid for other things that she does off the court as that might account for $100-150,000 dollars of her compensation. It is for certain she does little to positively impact the revenue line it is her image that is earning the money. It is certain that $10-12,000 a month for a pretty smile, a comment, and an article once a quarter is ample compensation.

She needs to perform like a Hall of Fame coach should perform. That level of expectation was placed on Bob Stoops by the Sooner nation and the worst 6 year period in his career includes 2 conference championships. I would be tickled if Sherri could perform at that level.
 
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