Is the Pressure Going To Increase On Sherri?

[sybarite]

Yes, 16 straight NCAA Tournament appearances. We also have no Big 12 Conference titles to speak of in many years. No deep runs in the tournament either. I sincerely hope that we don't just care about getting to the tournament.

I am also aware that Norman, OK is not Storrs. Norman has been the place I call home for 24 years. Thank you for letting me know that. So, because we don't have Geno as our coach, and we aren't UConn, means everything is great? I don't expect to win a national title every year. We don't have a single one, so why would I expect that? However, I do expect a good to great product on the court. Not sure we're getting that. Attendance has also been dropping year after year.

Being a Normanite, and a native Oklahoman, you may not be aware of the image that the State of Oklahoma has generated in recent years. It doesn't hurt when you are recruiting some sports. I think you will find it rare when an out-of-state basketball player of note goes to OU. It is stunning that we developed the Califiornia inroads and got Amanda. Austin doesn't have that image to overcome, and Waco overcomes it in a different way.

 

[SoonerSpock]

Being a Normanite, and a native Oklahoman, you may not be aware of the image that the State of Oklahoma has generated in recent years. It doesn't hurt when you are recruiting some sports. I think you will find it rare when an out-of-state basketball player of note goes to OU. It is stunning that we developed the Califiornia inroads and got Amanda. Austin doesn't have that image to overcome, and Waco overcomes it in a different way.

I lived in Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Kansas City and the Dallas/Ft. Worth metroplex prior to retiring to Norman to see the kids play about 100 contest per year. I have been studying OU athletics extensively for about 60 years. It is a passion of mine. Starting with just football as a high schooler and evolving to 5 sports after attending OU in the early 60's then 7 with the women's sports the last 15 years.

I am fully aware of the image of the State of Oklahoma. And bull crap to your thought that you can recruit to Norman in most sports but cannot recruit top talent to Norman in women's basketball. Its not as easy as recruiting to Austin but much easier than recruiting to Waco despite you perspective of Kim Mulkey. Your are totally incapable of being objective about Kim. The truth is Sherri cannot recruit top talent to Norman and Norman is not the problem.

Fact. Using Hoopgurlz OU has had 2 classes ranked in the top 20 in 2012 (#17), 2013, 2014 (#19), 2015 and 2016. Baylor had classes ranked #8, #9, #4 and #2. Texas had classes ranked #13, #11, #6 and #4. Notice how the bears' and horns' classes are getting better year over year and how the Sooners are moving in the opposite direction.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_Sooners_women's_basketball

http://espn.go.com/high-school/girls-basketball/recruiting/class-rankings?class=2015

http://espn.go.com/high-school/girls-basketball/recruiting/class-rankings?class=2014

http://espn.go.com/high-school/girls-basketball/recruiting/class-rankings?class=2013

http://espn.go.com/high-school/girl...18/top-2012-recruiting-classes-espn-hoopgurlz

 

[sybarite]

I lived in Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Kansas City and the Dallas/Ft. Worth metroplex prior to retiring to Norman to see the kids play about 100 contest per year. I have been studying OU athletics extensively for about 60 years. It is a passion of mine. Starting with just football as a high schooler and evolving to 5 sports after attending OU in the early 60's then 7 with the women's sports the last 15 years.

I am fully aware of the image of the State of Oklahoma. And bull crap to your thought that you can recruit to Norman in most sports but cannot recruit top talent to Norman in women's basketball. Its not as easy as recruiting to Austin but much easier than recruiting to Waco despite you perspective of Kim Mulkey. Your are totally incapable of being objective about Kim. The truth is Sherri cannot recruit top talent to Norman and Norman is not the problem.

Fact. Using Hoopgurlz OU has had 2 classes ranked in the top 20 in 2012 (#17), 2013, 2014 (#19), 2015 and 2016. Baylor had classes ranked #8, #9, #4 and #2. Texas had classes ranked #13, #11, #6 and #4. Notice how the bears' and horns' classes are getting better year over year and how the Sooners are moving in the opposite direction.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_Sooners_women's_basketball

http://espn.go.com/high-school/girls-basketball/recruiting/class-rankings?class=2015

http://espn.go.com/high-school/girls-basketball/recruiting/class-rankings?class=2014

http://espn.go.com/high-school/girls-basketball/recruiting/class-rankings?class=2013

http://espn.go.com/high-school/girl...18/top-2012-recruiting-classes-espn-hoopgurlz

You have no idea what you are talking about. Have you ever dealt with issues like racism? Do you know how these inner-city kids feel? You have no idea what I mean by Kim's recruiting tactics in this area. You also have no idea what the difference is between a kid whose parents can afford to spend $100,000 preparing them for gymnastics and a kid whose mother has a job some of the time and lives in subsidized housing.

You are just venting.

 

[SoonerSpock]

Being a Normanite, and a native Oklahoman, you may not be aware of the image that the State of Oklahoma has generated in recent years. It doesn't hurt when you are recruiting some sports. I think you will find it rare when an out-of-state basketball player of note goes to OU. It is stunning that we developed the Califiornia inroads and got Amanda. Austin doesn't have that image to overcome, and Waco overcomes it in a different way.

I lived in Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Kansas City and the Dallas/Ft. Worth metroplex prior to retiring to Norman to see the kids play about 100 contest per year. I have been studying OU athletics extensively for about 60 years. It is a passion of mine. Starting with just football as a high schooler and evolving to 5 sports after attending OU in the eary 60's then 7 with the women's sports the last 15 years.

I am fully aware of the image of the State of Oklahoma. And bull crap to your thought that you can recruit to Norman in most sports but cannot recruit top talent to Norman in women's basketball. Its not as easy as recruiting to Austin but much easier than recruiting to Waco despite you perspective of Kim Mulkey. Your are totally incapable of being objective about Kim. The truth is Sherri cannot recruit top talent to Norman and Norman is not the problem.

Fact. Using Hoopgurlz OU has had 2 classes ranked in the top 20 in 2012 (#17), 2013, 2014 (#19), 2015 and 2016. Baylor had classes ranked #8, #9, #4 and #2. Texas had classes ranked #13, #11, #6 and #4. Notice how the bears' and horns' classes are getting better year over year and how the Sooners are moving in the opposite direction.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_Sooners_women's_basketball

http://espn.go.com/high-school/girls-basketball/recruiting/class-rankings?class=2015

http://espn.go.com/high-school/girls-basketball/recruiting/class-rankings?class=2014

http://espn.go.com/high-school/girls-basketball/recruiting/class-rankings?class=2013

http://espn.go.com/high-school/girl...18/top-2012-recruiting-classes-espn-hoopgurlz

 

[SoonerSpock]

You have no idea what you are talking about. Have you ever dealt with issues like racism? Do you know how these inner-city kids feel? You have no idea what I mean by Kim's recruiting tactics in this area. You also have no idea what the difference is between a kid whose parents can afford to spend $100,000 preparing them for gymnastics and a kid whose mother has a job some of the time and lives in subsidized housing.

You are just venting.

Your right I did not learn anything about racism coaching inner-city Pittsburgh, PA in the late 60's early 70's for eight years. But I surmise I have learned a lot more racism short period than you have been exposed to in your entire life. You see I lived with it.

I am not venting just expounding on you stupid statements regarding a subject you have a multitude of information on but little knowledge about how it works.

Time to end this discussion as only time will tell who is right. But I doubt that the 2020 Sooners will be much better than the 2015 Sooners. A middle of the pack team.

 

[sybarite]

Well. Repeating posts, despite what political strategists say, doesn't make it true.

Think about it. You are saying the same thing that is being said on the Baylor boards right now (as always). "They only hate us because they are jealous."

If we hated Muffet McGraw or Geno Auriemma, that might make sense. Notre Dame and UConn are a lot better than Baylor, with much better tradition. They are a match for each other. I don't remember. Has Kim ever beaten either? Seems like Baylor wins in years that they aren't strong. But, we hate Kim or Briles or Ken Starr or whomever is being discussed at Baylor because of their success. Really? Want to sell the Baylor image?

 

[sybarite]

Your right I did not learn anything about racism coaching inner-city Pittsburgh, PA in the late 60's early 70's for eight years. But I surmise I have learned a lot more racism short period than you have been exposed to in your entire life. You see I lived with it.

I am not venting just expounding on you stupid statements regarding a subject you have a multitude of information on but little knowledge about how it works.

Time to end this discussion as only time will tell who is right. But I doubt that the 2020 Sooners will be much better than the 2015 Sooners. A middle of the pack team.

Did the Congress or US Military give you a special commendation for your work in founding a program for dealing with minority children?

 

[SoonerSpock]

Did the Congress or US Military give you a special commendation for your work in founding a program for dealing with minority children?

Nope did they give you the same? If so, I commend you for your efforts. But that indicates to me you were working in the background with minority, military, and local leaders developing programs to aid the disadvantaged while in the military yourself, not rubbing elbows in the mire and muck with the kids on a daily basis. But then the military is a long way from inner-city Pittsburgh.

 

[sybarite]

Nope did they give you the same? If so, I commend you for your efforts. But that indicates to me you were working in the background with minority, military, and local leaders developing programs to aid the disadvantaged while in the military yourself, not rubbing elbows in the mire and muck with the kids on a daily basis. But then the military is a long way from inner-city Pittsburgh.

Well, I did some of what you described. Mostly, I worked with young teenagers, provided them with big brothers and tutors to help them with their studies, and went to schools with them to help them deal with re-instatements and programs to help them survive. A co-founder, which is what received the citations, commendations, and the press, doesn't begin with an intact organization. An African-American civilian asked for help getting something off the ground, and we built it from step one. We were the background, at first. We operated in their homes and schools, working with their parents, tutoring them at their home. I provided seventeen enlisted men with Masters and Ph.Ds in science (research post), each of whom acted as a big brother to a young teenager, and each of whom received a commendation. It got up to about 170 by the time I left, and over 500 after I left the Army. In order to be effective, it was split into five or six organizations as new volunteers came aboard, each of which could serve their communities.

 

[MsProudSooner]

The only OU coaches that appear to be under more pressure from the administration are the baseball coach and the wrestling coach.

 

[SoonerSpock]

Well, I did some of what you described. Mostly, I worked with young teenagers, provided them with big brothers and tutors to help them with their studies, and went to schools with them to help them deal with re-instatements and programs to help them survive. A co-founder, which is what received the citations, commendations, and the press, doesn't begin with an intact organization. An African-American civilian asked for help getting something off the ground, and we built it from step one. We were the background, at first. We operated in their homes and schools, working with their parents, tutoring them at their home. I provided seventeen enlisted men with Masters and Ph.Ds in science (research post), each of whom acted as a big brother to a young teenager, and each of whom received a commendation. It got up to about 170 by the time I left, and over 500 after I left the Army. In order to be effective, it was split into five or six organizations as new volunteers came aboard, each of which could serve their communities.

Fantastic. Great work. My exposure was totally different obviously. And when I was involved the the inner-city was a much different environment than today. There was still a family unit in many if not most families. There were no gangs and virtually no drugs compared to today. But poverty, absence of goals, ambition and academics was rampant. We focused trying to change the mindset of the kids, the parents and baseball. It did depress me enough to return to OU for my graduate degree and new ventures.

 

[sybarite]

Fantastic. Great work. My exposure was totally different obviously. And when I was involved the the inner-city was a much different environment than today. There was still a family unit in many if not most families. There were no gangs and virtually no drugs compared to today. But poverty, absence of goals, ambition and academics was rampant. We focused trying to change the mindset of the kids, the parents and baseball. It did depress me enough to return to OU for my graduate degree and new ventures.

Good.

Let me explain. I wasn't operating with the cooperation of the military. I was simply helping an African-American friend in the Baltimore area get a program going among the teenagers of Baltimore and the suburbs. When they couldn't get it started, I bought tickets to take 25 to an Orioles game, at which I was the only white attendee. One twelve-year old girl pointed to me and said, "What's Whitey doing here?" She was reprimanded by one of the chaperones who informed her that I had paid for it. We worked with the underprivileged kids. At the time, there was no organization, nor was there any military involvement.

I actually received a reprimand from the post commander, a colonel, for participating in a communist-inspired organization (if you remember, J Edgar said that civil rights was communist inspired). The military became involved when they needed big brothers, and I recruited enlisted men. None of this was with the cooperation of the military. The first time the military was involved--the only time the military was involved---came when there was a local newspaper story with a picture of the African-American civilian and me in which we were designated as the co-founders. He had made the press aware, and it appeared in the Baltimore Sun and local newspapers. I had not known that I was a co-founder of anything until the story came out. The story got some attention from a local Congressman, and he arranged some sort of Congressional citation or commendation. Suddenly, the Pentagon became interested, and the same colonel who had given me a reprimand now gave the seventeen enlisted men (me included) a commendation under the orders of the Pentagon. They liked the idea that enlisted men could be in a community and help rather than get drunk and cause problems. Good for the military image. That was their only involvement at any time, other than that their photographer took the picture that appeared in the newspapers.

My job was always hands on. I, not knowing how dangerous it might be, did things like walk into an African-American pool hall and bar and drag a teenage out who was missing school after I had helped him get reinstated. There were gangs, but the community gave me somewhat of a pass. They knew who I was.

 

[tycat947]

Atlanta,

I'm sure I speak for most on the board when I ask you to instantly stop the sexist near porno remarks on our board. That is immature, rude, hateful, and unacceptable on a public board. Stop it now.

You need to take a deep breath and stop drinking the Kool-Aid. Bob Stoops has proven almost nothing to this point. Yes we finally won a conference title last year - in a league deeply flawed and weak - and substantially due to pure blind luck of a walk-on QB - who Bob & the boys did not think was originally good enough to deserve a scholarship. Talk about dumb recruiting. However he has lost to a terrible Texas team 2 of the last 3 years and should have lost the other if you recall. If you have been in the stands for those you know as well as I do that we walked into the Cotton Bowl 100% unprepared and with 0 motivation. Not a sign of even mediocre coaching.

We got in the football final four last year and then did exactly what his teams have done for years - laid an embarrassing egg in the semi-final game. Totally unprepared when we stepped on the field. Just like we have done for 3 years against Texas - and in bowl game after bowl game for several years. He fired several coaches and yet the same obvious lack of preparation keeps occurring. I love OU football - and our family buys more season tickets than (I expect) anyone else on this board. But we are still far short of the kind of success Barry or Bud brought us in their careers.

I believe we have lost out on a couple of prized recruits by WBB lately. I ascribe it to foolhardy parents letting their daughter put herself into a situation where young women are sacrificed to the appetites of an out of control football operation - that seems to have gone all the way to the top. My parents loved me too much to let me make such a mistake. Hopefully it will slow down - but since a murder between teammates didn't, I choose to wait and see. Even in WBB, how many WBB programs can you name that have been put on probation for recruiting violations? If you don't understand that cheating and even worse behavior can work for a while, you need to stop and think.

I have also been disappointed in the results the past 3 or 4 years. But since I understand basketball better than many of you I can tell you up front that most of our problems are due to poor shooting. That translates to practice - outside of organized practice time - by individual players. If our most important players would commit themselves to 90 minutes of shooting everyday outside of practice, we would compete for a conference championship yearly and make a final four even more often than we have.

Our team is designed to need to shoot well. It is up to the players to shoot well if we are to win a higher level. The coaches are limited by NCAA rules from requiring more practice. The players have to decide how badly they want to win. Next time we lose and hit 4 out of 25 3P attempts, get on here and put the blame where it belongs. On players who did not put in the work to shoot better. Just ask Buddy if you are doubtful that practice can help you shoot better.

By the way. No more talking about Texas WBB over the past 5 or 6 years. Last year they did pretty well. Before that they were a mess and a big, big disappointment. Far worse than Sherri's teams. Look it up.

Thank you! Excellent post!

 

[Romulus]

Atlanta,

I'm sure I speak for most on the board when I ask you to instantly stop the sexist near porno remarks on our board. That is immature, rude, hateful, and unacceptable on a public board. Stop it now.

You need to take a deep breath and stop drinking the Kool-Aid. Bob Stoops has proven almost nothing to this point. Yes we finally won a conference title last year - in a league deeply flawed and weak - and substantially due to pure blind luck of a walk-on QB - who Bob & the boys did not think was originally good enough to deserve a scholarship. Talk about dumb recruiting. However he has lost to a terrible Texas team 2 of the last 3 years and should have lost the other if you recall. If you have been in the stands for those you know as well as I do that we walked into the Cotton Bowl 100% unprepared and with 0 motivation. Not a sign of even mediocre coaching.

We got in the football final four last year and then did exactly what his teams have done for years - laid an embarrassing egg in the semi-final game. Totally unprepared when we stepped on the field. Just like we have done for 3 years against Texas - and in bowl game after bowl game for several years. He fired several coaches and yet the same obvious lack of preparation keeps occurring. I love OU football - and our family buys more season tickets than (I expect) anyone else on this board. But we are still far short of the kind of success Barry or Bud brought us in their careers.

I believe we have lost out on a couple of prized recruits by WBB lately. I ascribe it to foolhardy parents letting their daughter put herself into a situation where young women are sacrificed to the appetites of an out of control football operation - that seems to have gone all the way to the top. My parents loved me too much to let me make such a mistake. Hopefully it will slow down - but since a murder between teammates didn't, I choose to wait and see. Even in WBB, how many WBB programs can you name that have been put on probation for recruiting violations? If you don't understand that cheating and even worse behavior can work for a while, you need to stop and think.

I have also been disappointed in the results the past 3 or 4 years. But since I understand basketball better than many of you I can tell you up front that most of our problems are due to poor shooting. That translates to practice - outside of organized practice time - by individual players. If our most important players would commit themselves to 90 minutes of shooting everyday outside of practice, we would compete for a conference championship yearly and make a final four even more often than we have.

Our team is designed to need to shoot well. It is up to the players to shoot well if we are to win a higher level. The coaches are limited by NCAA rules from requiring more practice. The players have to decide how badly they want to win. Next time we lose and hit 4 out of 25 3P attempts, get on here and put the blame where it belongs. On players who did not put in the work to shoot better. Just ask Buddy if you are doubtful that practice can help you shoot better.

By the way. No more talking about Texas WBB over the past 5 or 6 years. Last year they did pretty well. Before that they were a mess and a big, big disappointment. Far worse than Sherri's teams. Look it up.

I'm sure I speak for most of the board, but what in blue blazes are you talking about? AtlantaSooner is an Internet legend and he and gentleman by the name of hecksooner were the only ones providing recruiting info before message boards were around. Atlanta knows his OU sports as well as anyone on this planet. And I have NEVER seen him make crass comments and the "porno" references are flat ignorant and absurd.

 

[tycat947]

The ebb and flow of competitive athletics affects every program and every man or woman who has coached a team for as many years as Sherri Coale. There have always been periods of ups and downs, even for the greatest coaches (I must admit it hasn't yet happened to that guy at UConn :ez-laugh.

Sherri Coale is still a relatively young woman who is very smart, knows how to judge talent and has not forgotten how to coach basketball. I believe she's the right coach for OU WBB in 2016-17, just as she was the right coach to lead the program in the first decade of this century.

If the OU program fails to win a single conference title and/or reach a final four for the remainder of this decade, I will probably be in agreement that it's time for Sherri to retire. As things stand today, I'm still confident in the future of the OU program and its coach.

She just led US to gold medal in World University games a couple of years ago. She can still coach.

I believe the bottom line is she has made commitment to not swim in the cesspool of AAU basketball. Sulkey Mulkey is the head pig in charge of that cesspool. Karen is playing in the pool as are others. THIS, more than anything, IMO has affected recruiting. Also, another factor is most of the players Sherri wants are also being recruiting by Stanford, Duke and Notre Dame and if players get offers from those schools we don't really stand a chance, nor do about 99% of other schools. I don't think Norman is such a recruiting disadvantange as much as these two above factors. I also think better players are coming in (Chelsea, Nancy and Ana) and more will follow. Also, OU is a university NOT WNBA, NBA, NFL, etc. Academics are not only important to Sherri but to Boren and Joe C as well and I'm sure she has their full support.

 

[scrybe]

She just led US to gold medal in World University games a couple of years ago. She can still coach.

I believe the bottom line is she has made commitment to not swim in the cesspool of AAU basketball. Sulkey Mulkey is the head pig in charge of that cesspool. Karen is playing in the pool as are others. THIS, more than anything, IMO has affected recruiting. Also, another factor is most of the players Sherri wants are also being recruiting by Stanford, Duke and Notre Dame and if players get offers from those schools we don't really stand a chance, nor do about 99% of other schools. I don't think Norman is such a recruiting disadvantange as much as these two above factors. I also think better players are coming in (Chelsea, Nancy and Ana) and more will follow. Also, OU is a university NOT WNBA, NBA, NFL, etc. Academics are not only important to Sherri but to Boren and Joe C as well and I'm sure she has their full support.

Great post, tycat. You nailed it on every point, IMO.

 

[inoref]

You have no idea what you are talking about. Have you ever dealt with issues like racism? Do you know how these inner-city kids feel? You have no idea what I mean by Kim's recruiting tactics in this area. You also have no idea what the difference is between a kid whose parents can afford to spend $100,000 preparing them for gymnastics and a kid whose mother has a job some of the time and lives in subsidized housing.

You are just venting.

Let's see here
Kim is a coach, Sherri is a coach..IMO Kim puts more time in doing what a coach is suppose to do. Sherri (IMO) spends too much in other projects outside of basketball. Sherri needs to get back to recruiting and coaching..

 

[sybarite]

I'm sure I speak for most of the board, but what in blue blazes are you talking about? AtlantaSooner is an Internet legend and he and gentleman by the name of hecksooner were the only ones providing recruiting info before message boards were around. Atlanta knows his OU sports as well as anyone on this planet. And I have NEVER seen him make crass comments and the "porno" references are flat ignorant and absurd.

Atlanta is fine---in the world of men's sports.

 

[sybarite]

Let's see here
Kim is a coach, Sherri is a coach..IMO Kim puts more time in doing what a coach is suppose to do. Sherri (IMO) spends too much in other projects outside of basketball. Sherri needs to get back to recruiting and coaching..

Ah. So, the problem is that you think OU is a minor league sports team. Sherri is a faculty member of a university. Her job is to teach and represent the university and those standards which the university values. Coaching is a part of that. But, if it is all about sport, it is no longer about the university and has no reason to be affiliated with OU. Notice the name, The University of Oklahoma.

 

[SoonerSpock]

Ah. So, the problem is that you think OU is a minor league sports team. Sherri is a faculty member of a university. Her job is to teach and represent the university and those standards which the university values. Coaching is a part of that. But, if it is all about sport, it is no longer about the university and has no reason to be affiliated with OU. Notice the name, The University of Oklahoma.

If Sherri were being paid to primarily be a faculty member to teach and represent the university they would be paying her $150-$300,000 like their other faculty members. That additional $900,000 is to win basketball games and championships.















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