Is the Pressure Going To Increase On Sherri?

[sybarite]

Yes I think that a hall of fame coach who has had the success on the court that Sherri had 2002-2010 that could take a program like OU's when Sherri was hired and get to the Final Four in 2002 could keep the program elevated to a level where she could win at least one maybe even 2 and hopefully 3 conference championships in the last 6 years. No instead we are now getting to 2nd place only half the time during a period of time when the conference has been somewhat down with only OU, Baylor and some years Texas really having quality teams.

And yes six years does a trend make. There is no justification from a basketball perspective to continue to pay Sherri $1.1 million to perform at this level. No reason to get alarmed but expectations need to be made.

I am sorry Syb but there are probably 20 coaches that could produce at the same level as Sherri has the last 6 years in Norman for less than half the dollars expended.

Also don't give me that crap that she is paid for other things that she does off the court as that might account for $100-150,000 dollars of her compensation. It is for certain she does little to positively impact the revenue line it is her image that is earning the money. It is certain that $10-12,000 a month for a pretty smile, a comment, and an article once a quarter is ample compensation.

She needs to perform like a Hall of Fame coach should perform. That level of expectation was placed on Bob Stoops by the Sooner nation and the worst 6 year period in his career includes 2 conference championships. I would be tickled if Sherri could perform at that level.

On this issue, we are in complete disagreement and always have been. It is not crap that she does other things. You, and others, seem to think that Boren and Joe C. just keep her around and pay her for no reason. That brings their judgement into question. But, those who object to Sherri seem to know everything about everything.

And, it is absurd to think that there are twenty coaches who could have built the OU program. At the time Sherri was hired, you couldn't have hired a legitimate coach. Nobody wanted to touch OU. It had leprosy. It had cancelled the program just a couple of years earlier (thought it was nice that Sherri recognized the members of that team in her Hall of Fame speech). Nobody wanted any part of such a program. Even after she was hired, it didn't really have complete support.

We still see post after post about women's sports and how they don't pay for themselves. That is a lack of support. Do any men's programs other than football pay for themselves? How long did it take to set that up? It was a major commitment in the forties to build it. The entire alumni operation along with Cross was in on it. Women's sports have never received that type of commitment.

I will, once again, make it clear. I never want to see another post comparing Sherri to Kruger. Kruger is exactly what a lot of fans want---an old white guy. He must be some genius. Doesn't he have the same number of Final Fours as Sherri, in about twice the years coaching? Hasn't he coached where they did support men's basketball? What you folks don't grasp is exactly how sexist that comparison is. I can assure you the Kruger appreciates Sherri. He knows what she has done.

Comparing sports that depend on kids whose parents are able to spend thousands of dollars developing them, like gymnastics, softball, or golf is absurd. Look at where our gymnastics recruits come from. Then, look to see where basketball prospects are found. Want to compare?

Injuries are an excuse. OU doesn't have the reputation to be three-deep. An ACL doesn't kill UConn, or may not. An ACL on Stewart would have rendered them four years of what-might-have-been. Well, we've had those injuries----too many, and with no depth.

I suggest that you examine the program for what it has done, where it is, and what might be next. I defy you to find someone who could have raised OU from the dead. They start religions for that type of miracle.

 

[sybarite]

These threads are incredibly frustrating. Every time they are started, I can just see the arguments and who will show up to make them. The regulars like Atlanta and Spock will, of course, kick in. But, any thread that attacks Sherri will also bring in Soonerstar, Romulus, and Inoref. Of course, some of these are negatives on the men's board as well. We just never see them unless there is something critical of Sherri, or OU has a bad loss.

If you are so intent on attacking Sherri, which some of you are, it would make more sense that you establish your own board. It was difficult enough to get women's sports recognized by any board, and it hardly needs the constant sexism imposed by those who know more than a Hall of Fame coach.

It is appropriate to wonder why or discuss what went wrong. Why is this not working? But, the answer to some of you is that it is all Sherri's fault. It's like a bunch of drunks at a bar complaining about their wives. Fortunately, you aren't married to the program.

Sherri is doing a great job, and she has done a great job. I'm sorry that you are not astute enough to know that.

 

[atlantasooner]

syb,
first off
1. I post here after wins and after losses. FACT.
2. I consistently call Sherri a great coach. I consistently laud her past accomplishments.
3. Sherri's not met her own high standards the last 5 to 6 years. FACT
4. I criticize Sherri's recruiting and staff issues, and applied the same criticisms to Bob Stoops during the recent malaise impacting OU football to several OU football message boards.
Bob had to change things up. He has.
If I can suggest that OU's national championship football coach in their biggest traditional sport needs to change, why is it that I cannot suggest Sherri needs to make changes.
5. I dare you to find one negative post about Lon on the Men's board from me. One. Good luck.

It's your arrogance and total blind faith like a true believer for the flat earth society that drives us crazy.
We want to talk about recruiting news. You post "Coaching icon Sherri the Infallible is always right."
We talk about rotations/starting strategy. You post "Coaching icon Sherri the Infallible is always right."
We talk about OU's struggles compared to Baylor. You post "Coaching icon Sherri the Infallible is always right. And the Evil Queen must die!!!"
Your posts are boring. They prohibit discussion on a discussion message board.
If you want some massive circle jerk around an icon of Sherri. I'm sure there's some fetish message board where you can accomplish it. It's a big Internet.
You want to talk hoops. Stop acting like a whiny, brat. I'm sorry our discussions are frustrating to you.

 

[SoonerinNC]

I think we did have a period where the recruiting was soft and we picked up a number of players who haven't and may never make an impact (Kellogg, Penzo, L. Williams) and some who do at times but not consistently (Wyatt, Treece, Carter and Edwards) Carter has been brilliant at times and a foul prone turnover machine at others. Wyatt is hot one night and not the next, although I feel she made great progress last year at being a more complete player. EJ looked like good help but barely saw the court last year.

Our numbers of low production players have also limited the number we could recruit. Thus only two this year and only one last year.

I feel good about Dungee and Mulkey and am excited about Llanusa. Jesse Murcer is a must get but nothing yet. Along with Rich they could begin to build something.

I am more concerned about the inconsistency on the court and the lack of intensity sometimes. A team that could beat Texas and Washington should have had a better year.

 

[SoonerSpock]

These threads are incredibly frustrating. Every time they are started, I can just see the arguments and who will show up to make them. The regulars like Atlanta and Spock will, of course, kick in. But, any thread that attacks Sherri will also bring in Soonerstar, Romulus, and Inoref. Of course, some of these are negatives on the men's board as well. We just never see them unless there is something critical of Sherri, or OU has a bad loss.

If you are so intent on attacking Sherri, which some of you are, it would make more sense that you establish your own board. It was difficult enough to get women's sports recognized by any board, and it hardly needs the constant sexism imposed by those who know more than a Hall of Fame coach.

It is appropriate to wonder why or discuss what went wrong. Why is this not working? But, the answer to some of you is that it is all Sherri's fault. It's like a bunch of drunks at a bar complaining about their wives. Fortunately, you aren't married to the program.

Sherri is doing a great job, and she has done a great job. I'm sorry that you are not astute enough to know that.

For certain astute is not descriptive of yourself when it comes to baskettball. Your only capability is to praise Sherri. Syb all coaches make mistakes and Sherri has made her share over the years. It goes with the territory. I support Sherri by putting my backside in a LNC for every game for over 10 years plus many road games. I continue to support Sherri as OU's coach but said she needs time to right her ship. For certain the program is not where it needs to be and it is equally certain if she cannot right her ship in a reasonable time frame she needs to go or we need to accept the fact the program will never be what it was. I support the former.

In college sports it is the present that matters. History is for reminiscing. Sherri was well paid for her past success. Now she needs to earn her present salary.

 

[Oliver Hardy]

Well said, NC.


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[GoWarriors]

Bottom line--OU is playing for third place these days...

 

[sybarite]

Spock, I think I have asked questions about Sherri. I have also explained that her problems are different than those of others. I also indicated that some questions are acceptable.

But, the constant anti-Sherri nonsense that laments her every move has gone far enough. The thought that she should be compared to coaches who don't have her disadvantages is absurd.. The dismissal of the reality that OU was a cancer for women's sports when Sherri arrived is absurd. We couldn't attract anyone who had any experience to a school that had closed the program and complained about the existence of Title IX---and still do.

Atlanta, you offer so little positive that you are almost a total negative. It's like watching Bay. While supposedly a fan, you know that nothing supportive or exciting about the team will be posted. Stick to football recruiting.

 

[OUFinalFour]

Patty Gasso is also in the Hall of Fame, but there is no need to mention that. She shows it on the field.

The years when we had Dales, The Paris Twins, Amanda Thompson, and so many others are in the past. Those teams are what Sherri is being remembered for, and she should be. She brought a program to life that was dead. What is going on with the CURRENT program though? That is what is being discussed. And should be.

 

[annabelle]

Patty Gasso is also in the Hall of Fame, but there is no need to mention that. She shows it on the field.

The years when we had Dales, The Paris Twins, Amanda Thompson, and so many others are in the past. Those teams are what Sherri is being remembered for, and she should be. She brought a program to life that was dead. What is going on with the CURRENT program though? That is what is being discussed. And should be.

+1

 

[atlantasooner]

Since you cannot refute any of the numbered bullet points I posted, it's clear you have no actual ability to "discuss" anything.
You are rendered into an annoying toy animal with a voice chip, only capable of parroting back programmed responses.

Stay on topic or get off the topic.
Post thread after thread about Sherri's Hall of Fame party. Or post about how great the Final Four teams were. Stick to what you know, reminiscing about the past.
Leave discussions about the present to other folks. It's not your schtick.

 

[SoonerinNC]

If you have ever been to Hartford and Storrs Connecticut you will not consider Norman a serious disadvantage in recruiting. Ditto for Waco.

 

[Sweetest OU Girl]

syb,
first off
1. I post here after wins and after losses. FACT.
2. I consistently call Sherri a great coach. I consistently laud her past accomplishments.
3. Sherri's not met her own high standards the last 5 to 6 years. FACT
4. I criticize Sherri's recruiting and staff issues, and applied the same criticisms to Bob Stoops during the recent malaise impacting OU football to several OU football message boards.
Bob had to change things up. He has.
If I can suggest that OU's national championship football coach in their biggest traditional sport needs to change, why is it that I cannot suggest Sherri needs to make changes.
5. I dare you to find one negative post about Lon on the Men's board from me. One. Good luck.

It's your arrogance and total blind faith like a true believer for the flat earth society that drives us crazy.
We want to talk about recruiting news. You post "Coaching icon Sherri the Infallible is always right."
We talk about rotations/starting strategy. You post "Coaching icon Sherri the Infallible is always right."
We talk about OU's struggles compared to Baylor. You post "Coaching icon Sherri the Infallible is always right. And the Evil Queen must die!!!"
Your posts are boring. They prohibit discussion on a discussion message board.
If you want some massive circle jerk around an icon of Sherri. I'm sure there's some fetish message board where you can accomplish it. It's a big Internet.
You want to talk hoops. Stop acting like a whiny, brat. I'm sorry our discussions are frustrating to you.

Atlanta,

I'm sure I speak for most on the board when I ask you to instantly stop the sexist near porno remarks on our board. That is immature, rude, hateful, and unacceptable on a public board. Stop it now.

You need to take a deep breath and stop drinking the Kool-Aid. Bob Stoops has proven almost nothing to this point. Yes we finally won a conference title last year - in a league deeply flawed and weak - and substantially due to pure blind luck of a walk-on QB - who Bob & the boys did not think was originally good enough to deserve a scholarship. Talk about dumb recruiting. However he has lost to a terrible Texas team 2 of the last 3 years and should have lost the other if you recall. If you have been in the stands for those you know as well as I do that we walked into the Cotton Bowl 100% unprepared and with 0 motivation. Not a sign of even mediocre coaching.

We got in the football final four last year and then did exactly what his teams have done for years - laid an embarrassing egg in the semi-final game. Totally unprepared when we stepped on the field. Just like we have done for 3 years against Texas - and in bowl game after bowl game for several years. He fired several coaches and yet the same obvious lack of preparation keeps occurring. I love OU football - and our family buys more season tickets than (I expect) anyone else on this board. But we are still far short of the kind of success Barry or Bud brought us in their careers.

I believe we have lost out on a couple of prized recruits by WBB lately. I ascribe it to foolhardy parents letting their daughter put herself into a situation where young women are sacrificed to the appetites of an out of control football operation - that seems to have gone all the way to the top. My parents loved me too much to let me make such a mistake. Hopefully it will slow down - but since a murder between teammates didn't, I choose to wait and see. Even in WBB, how many WBB programs can you name that have been put on probation for recruiting violations? If you don't understand that cheating and even worse behavior can work for a while, you need to stop and think.

I have also been disappointed in the results the past 3 or 4 years. But since I understand basketball better than many of you I can tell you up front that most of our problems are due to poor shooting. That translates to practice - outside of organized practice time - by individual players. If our most important players would commit themselves to 90 minutes of shooting everyday outside of practice, we would compete for a conference championship yearly and make a final four even more often than we have.

Our team is designed to need to shoot well. It is up to the players to shoot well if we are to win a higher level. The coaches are limited by NCAA rules from requiring more practice. The players have to decide how badly they want to win. Next time we lose and hit 4 out of 25 3P attempts, get on here and put the blame where it belongs. On players who did not put in the work to shoot better. Just ask Buddy if you are doubtful that practice can help you shoot better.

By the way. No more talking about Texas WBB over the past 5 or 6 years. Last year they did pretty well. Before that they were a mess and a big, big disappointment. Far worse than Sherri's teams. Look it up.

 

[sybarite]

Patty Gasso is also in the Hall of Fame, but there is no need to mention that. She shows it on the field.

The years when we had Dales, The Paris Twins, Amanda Thompson, and so many others are in the past. Those teams are what Sherri is being remembered for, and she should be. She brought a program to life that was dead. What is going on with the CURRENT program though? That is what is being discussed. And should be.

The current program has been to the NCAAs for seventeen straight years. Prior to Sherri, it had made it to the first round once----ONCE.

Let's be more factual about how dead the program was. It had been cancelled. That exhibits such disrespect and lack of commitment that we couldn't attract an established coach. If Sherri didn't take the job, who would have? Would we have ever overcome the stigma of the cancellation if it had not been for Sherri.

So, it has now been six years since we have been in the Final Four---6. We haven't won in football in sixteen, and that is a sport in which we do win national titles. The big problem for some of you is that we haven't killed Baylor. Well, maybe if we had a coach who became a national disgrace by recruiting an entire AAU team and its coach to Waco using her daughter, a team that she thought would win several titles and only won one, just maybe we might have been back to the Final Four---in the past six years.

We may well have a team that could reach two or three Final Fours. Celebrate what we have rather than to condemn a coach for not having been to the Final Four for six years.

Go yell at the wrestling coach. We used to be a title contender every year. Go bay at the moon.

Storrs is not Norman? Do you not pay attention to the front page?

 

[SoonerSpock]

Spock, I think I have asked questions about Sherri. I have also explained that her problems are different than those of others. I also indicated that some questions are acceptable.

But, the constant anti-Sherri nonsense that laments her every move has gone far enough. The thought that she should be compared to coaches who don't have her disadvantages is absurd.. The dismissal of the reality that OU was a cancer for women's sports when Sherri arrived is absurd. We couldn't attract anyone who had any experience to a school that had closed the program and complained about the existence of Title IX---and still do.

Atlanta, you offer so little positive that you are almost a total negative. It's like watching Bay. While supposedly a fan, you know that nothing supportive or exciting about the team will be posted. Stick to football recruiting.

Ha, Ha. To the contrary Sherri has perhaps been given more credit by the press than deserved with regards to taking over a program that dropped women's basketball. She was operating under zero advantages. She took over a program that went to the 2nd round of the NCAA tourament two years prior to her taking the reins of the program. A program that was 16 games above .500 the three years preceding her arrival. Fact, OU dropped women's basketball in March 1990. Sherri became the women's basketball coach for the 1996 season. If you want to give credit where credit is due for operating under duress give it to Gary Hudson and Burl Plunkett.

The first three years follow the announcement that OU was dropping the program Gary Hudson had a 39-45 record. Not good but not bad considering the circumstance he was coaching under follow the March 1990 announcement.

Hudson was followed by Burl Plunkett who in three years had a record of 52-36. That is 16 games above .500. Not exactly a bleak program. Under Plunkett's OU won the NWIT Tournament and had a second round finish in NCAA. More than pretty darn good job hoeing his row.

Hence in the six years prior to Sherri and after dropping the program OU went 91-81, won the NWIT three years prior to her arrival and made the 2nd round of the NCAA two years prior to her arrival. Really you think that program was in dire straights? If so crimson colored glasses have blinded you to reality. Fact is the national media made her something she was not. The dirty work had already been done.

Sherri did an excellent job, especially coming directly from high school to Division I, building on what she acquired but it had little to do with OU dropping basketball. Sherri has earned her HOF recognition on the basketball courts. I applaud her!! What she did is remarkable.

However she has had a tough six seasons. She has not, in my opinion performed at a HOF coach level. She has more than earned the right to fix the problem. However if the program is not performing at its needed level on a consistent basis 4 years down the road I think it is time for her to go. Just like it was time for Jodi Conradt at Texas and Marsha Sharp at Texas Tech to hang 'em up. A decade of mediocrity will have been enough. Time will tell.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_Sooners_women's_basketball

 

[OUFinalFour]

Yes, 16 straight NCAA Tournament appearances. We also have no Big 12 Conference titles to speak of in many years. No deep runs in the tournament either. I sincerely hope that we don't just care about getting to the tournament.

I am also aware that Norman, OK is not Storrs. Norman has been the place I call home for 24 years. Thank you for letting me know that. So, because we don't have Geno as our coach, and we aren't UConn, means everything is great? I don't expect to win a national title every year. We don't have a single one, so why would I expect that? However, I do expect a good to great product on the court. Not sure we're getting that. Attendance has also been dropping year after year.

 

[OUFinalFour]

And yes, Bob Stoops has consistently underperformed. He's not worth 5.5 million dollars either, if you ask me. Sixteen years without a national title at OU is not good. No coach should be excused of criticism.

 

[Larry72]

Several players on last years team were not in great physical condition.
I saw some hope in the Chelsea D video this past week. You know what it was? Most of women, including Chelsea, looked considerably thinner than they were last season. This should mean that they are eating better, working out, and taking the game more seriously.

 

[scrybe]

The ebb and flow of competitive athletics affects every program and every man or woman who has coached a team for as many years as Sherri Coale. There have always been periods of ups and downs, even for the greatest coaches (I must admit it hasn't yet happened to that guy at UConn :ez-laugh.

Sherri Coale is still a relatively young woman who is very smart, knows how to judge talent and has not forgotten how to coach basketball. I believe she's the right coach for OU WBB in 2016-17, just as she was the right coach to lead the program in the first decade of this century.

If the OU program fails to win a single conference title and/or reach a final four for the remainder of this decade, I will probably be in agreement that it's time for Sherri to retire. As things stand today, I'm still confident in the future of the OU program and its coach.

 

[sybarite]

Ha, Ha. To the contrary Sherri has perhaps been given more credit by the press than deserved with regards to taking over a program that dropped women's basketball. She was operating under zero advantages. She took over a program that went to the 2nd round of the NCAA tourament two years prior to her taking the reins of the program. A program that was 16 games above .500 the three years preceding her arrival. Fact, OU dropped women's basketball in March 1990. Sherri became the women's basketball coach for the 1996 season. If you want to give credit where credit is due for operating under duress give it to Gary Hudson and Burl Plunkett.

The first three years follow the announcement that OU was dropping the program Gary Hudson had a 39-45 record. Not good but not bad considering the circumstance he was coaching under follow the March 1990 announcement.

Hudson was followed by Burl Plunkett who in three years had a record of 52-36. That is 16 games above .500. Not exactly a bleak program. Under Plunkett's OU won the NWIT Tournament and had a second round finish in NCAA. More than pretty darn good job hoeing his row.

Hence in the six years prior to Sherri and after dropping the program OU went 91-81, won the NWIT three years prior to her arrival and made the 2nd round of the NCAA two years prior to her arrival. Really you think that program was in dire straights? If so crimson colored glasses have blinded you to reality. Fact is the national media made her something she was not. The dirty work had already been done.

Sherri did an excellent job, especially coming directly from high school to Division I, building on what she acquired but it had little to do with OU dropping basketball. Sherri has earned her HOF recognition on the basketball courts. I applaud her!! What she did is remarkable.

However she has had a tough six seasons. She has not, in my opinion performed at a HOF coach level. She has more than earned the right to fix the problem. However if the program is not performing at its needed level on a consistent basis 4 years down the road I think it is time for her to go. Just like it was time for Jodi Conradt at Texas and Marsha Sharp at Texas Tech to hang 'em up. A decade of mediocrity will have been enough. Time will tell.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_Sooners_women's_basketball

It is good that you know so much. Geno, conradt, Sharp, and the Women's College Basketball coaches disagree with you,, and they don't think the press has over-rated her. I would pretty much say that this post disqualifies you from further participation in any discussion regarding Sherri Coale.