Is the timing right for Doug Gottlieb?

[sooner 1234]

He's personable, and he knows how recruiting works.

As for a Lon type, who is out there that you can just go get? Lon Kruger is a one of a kind breed, as someone who clearly likes to move around and thus could be motivated to leave and was also at a program below his stature. Those guys don't just grow on trees, I can't think of a single comparable coach who you could say with 100% confidence could come in and turn the ship around. Plus, not that Norman is a particularly great place to live, but it's a hell of a lot better than Stillwater.

He knows how recruiting works...why because he was recruited as a player ??

He's never recruited a player in his life . Again just because he's young means squat .
Kinda like if he was black , then he's a players I guess ??

 

[sooner 1234]

What does ANY of that have to do with coaching experience which was the original argument? You went from "coaching experience is a must" to replacing it with "years in the NBA as a player and front office guy".... Gottlieb also played professionally over seas for a number of years which could provide connections recruiting wise. And as far as Gottlieb being a "marginal" college player, I'm pretty sure he's still in the top 10 for assists all-time in the NCAA. Yes the guy had his faults as a shooter for sure but clearly ran the team well as a pass-first PG.

Again, I forgot that you had to be a great player in college/NBA to be a successful coach. I get you don't think it would work and could agree based of the "zero coaching experience" but just because a guy was good in college or the NBA pretty much is zero backing that he would be a good head coach. There are tons of examples both ways of guys that were great in college/NBA and turned out to be great/horrible coaches.

I'll take experience of a front end NBA guy any day over espn color guy .
Not to mention multiple years around the best players in the world .

Yes you are comparing apples to oranges and not to mention a huge exception to the rule with him being successful .

 

[sooner 1234]

For what it's worth, a friend of mine has a connection in the osu ATh Dept. this guy responds "no way" when asked about DG. But hey, who really knows!

Exactly the only people plugging DOug are all his reporter friends / sports animals who he probably called begging them to throw his name out there .

He's all but camped out at Stillwater in tent in front of the athletic offices ,with a megaphone and home made signs on poster boards.


Again he was passionate about coaching he would already be in coaching .He just loves OSU and THINKS he can turn it around .Hes an ex player who loves his school who is being a little over zealous and frankly a little full of himself .
If he wants a basketball job quit fox ,and start coaching at a smaller job .....like everyone else. Learning the ropes and cut your teeth /make your mistakes at a smaller job .
OSU can't afford 5 years of feeling it out because they turned the program over to a ex player/fox color guy

He does a great job at what he does now ....stick with it .

 

[Matthew G]

I'm all for OSU hiring Gottlieb


At this rate, not many coaches want to work with Holder. Holder won't want to pay for a coach, so the list is small. So why not hire Gottlieb, excite your fanbase, and pay almost nothing for him? If he succeeds, you look like a genius and have your coach for the future. If he fails, you cut him loose, try again in 3 years when there's more coaches available.

 

[hoopsaustin]

Holder is retiring in a year

 

[thebigabd]

I think Doug Gottlieb would succeed at OSU. Hoiberg and Kerr had no coaching experience either. The guy knows basketball, period.

The staff would likely include:

Head Coach: Doug Gottlieb
Assistant Coach: James Dickey
Assistant Coach: Sean Sutton
Assistant Coach: Desmond Mason
Assistant Coach: Keiton Page

Dickey and Sutton have lots of coaching experience, and apparently Sean Sutton has been sober for 6 years. Wouldn't be the first time OSU hired a recovering alcoholic to coach basketball, and it worked out well for them last time.

 

[oudna]

Gottleib is a great choice. Would do well. It's his life. Coach's kid. Smart, passionate, knows the setting.

 

[Max Power]

Pat Knight and Sean Sutton are 2 examples just in our conference in the last decade of coaches kids not working out. If osu wants to try, go ahead. I wont mind owning them in bball for the next 3 years. the 4 years before this year were fun.

 

[sooner 1234]

I think Doug Gottlieb would succeed at OSU. Hoiberg and Kerr had no coaching experience either. The guy knows basketball, period.

The staff would likely include:

Head Coach: Doug Gottlieb
Assistant Coach: James Dickey
Assistant Coach: Sean Sutton
Assistant Coach: Desmond Mason
Assistant Coach: Keiton Page

Dickey and Sutton have lots of coaching experience, and apparently Sean Sutton has been sober for 6 years. Wouldn't be the first time OSU hired a recovering alcoholic to coach basketball, and it worked out well for them last time.

That staff literally might set OSU back a decade....maybe more .

Hell surely there is room for Big Country as well .

 

[oudna]

Pat Knight and Sean Sutton are 2 examples just in our conference in the last decade of coaches kids not working out. If osu wants to try, go ahead. I wont mind owning them in bball for the next 3 years. the 4 years before this year were fun.

Perhaps you missed smart and passionate? Haha!

 

[stormspencer]

I think Doug Gottlieb would succeed at OSU. Hoiberg and Kerr had no coaching experience either. The guy knows basketball, period.

The staff would likely include:

Head Coach: Doug Gottlieb
Assistant Coach: James Dickey
Assistant Coach: Sean Sutton
Assistant Coach: Desmond Mason
Assistant Coach: Keiton Page

Dickey and Sutton have lots of coaching experience, and apparently Sean Sutton has been sober for 6 years. Wouldn't be the first time OSU hired a recovering alcoholic to coach basketball, and it worked out well for them last time.

I actually lean to the side that thinks Gottlieb can succeed at OSU as long as he surrounds himself with a competent staff. The guy knows basketball and he will be able to relate to kids on the recruiting trail.

 

[Northbase]

I think Doug Gottlieb would succeed at OSU. Hoiberg and Kerr had no coaching experience either. The guy knows basketball, period.

The staff would likely include:

Head Coach: Doug Gottlieb
Assistant Coach: James Dickey
Assistant Coach: Sean Sutton
Assistant Coach: Desmond Mason
Assistant Coach: Keiton Page

Head Coach: Doug Gottlieb
Assistant Coach: Camera Man from ESPIN
Assistant Coach: Make-up Gal from ESPIN
Assistant Coach: Best Boy from ESPIN
Assistant Coach: Sound Editor from ESPIN
Student Assistant: Craig Kilborn

 

[WaymanFan]

I actually lean to the side that thinks Gottlieb can succeed at OSU as long as he surrounds himself with a competent staff. The guy knows basketball and he will be able to relate to kids on the recruiting trail.

Change "Gottlieb" to "Blake", "OSU" to "OU" and "basketball" to "football". 21+ years ago, Barry Switzer said the exact same thing.

 

[Max Power]

Change "Gottlieb" to "Blake", "OSU" to "OU" and "basketball" to "football". 21+ years ago, Barry Switzer said the exact same thing.

+1

 

[hoopsaustin]

Change "Gottlieb" to "Blake", "OSU" to "OU" and "basketball" to "football". 21+ years ago, Barry Switzer said the exact same thing.

+2

 

[WTSooner]

Change "Gottlieb" to "Blake", "OSU" to "OU" and "basketball" to "football". 21+ years ago, Barry Switzer said the exact same thing.

Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't. That is the chance you take anytime you hire anybody other than an already successful HC from a big school.

 

[sperry]

John Blake was an idiot; Gottlieb isn't.

 

[stormspencer]

John Blake was an idiot; Gottlieb isn't.

+1

 

[coolm]

John Blake was an idiot; Gottlieb isn't.

yep. in a nutshell.

 

[stormspencer]

Change "Gottlieb" to "Blake", "OSU" to "OU" and "basketball" to "football". 21+ years ago, Barry Switzer said the exact same thing.

That is a patently absurd comparison on several levels. Gottlieb knows the game from an "Xs and Os" standpoint exponentially better than John Blake ever could know the game of football. If you've ever watched Doug during basketball telecasts, you would realize the technical competence and understanding he has of the game. Gottlieb also has had high profile exposure in the media as a commentator and analyst.....so recruits are likely to know who he is. I'm not saying these things would automatically translate into success, but they wouldn't hurt him either. I believe the two big questions with Gottleib would be:

• Can he develop players (i.e. are his players getting noticeably better by the time they are juniors and seniors). He is obviously unproven in this regard.
• Can he motivate and get the most out of players or will some players tune him out? We won't know that until we see him in action.

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If Gottlieb indeed gets the job and he is no better than mediocre, then you and a handful of folks will be right.....and I will be wrong.