Is the timing right for Doug Gottlieb?

[sooner 1234]

IF OSU hires Doug ,Holder is a bigger idiot then I gave him credit for .

I love it people on here think he would be a good coach .....why ? BEcause he played and gets paid to talk about it .

Guy would be a STRETCH as an assistant ,head coach ....wow OSU may never be relevant again in basketball .

I hope like hell they hire him , we will go on another 5 year sweep .

 

[coolm]

we're not all saying we think he'll be a great coach.

I am just saying all of these things stated dont automatically mean he will be a bad coach either. He may end up being either.

I do think going to OSU first as a head coach is a bad way to start. But there have been coaches learn on the fly. You never know.

 

[Big Old Booger]

IF OSU hires Doug ,Holder is a bigger idiot then I gave him credit for .

I love it people on here think he would be a good coach .....why ? BEcause he played and gets paid to talk about it .

Guy would be a STRETCH as an assistant ,head coach ....wow OSU may never be relevant again in basketball .

I hope like hell they hire him , we will go on another 5 year sweep .

If he hires the right assistants and let's them coach, and if he (and they) can recruit, he will do fine. Will he make OSU the top team in the Big 12? Doubtful but he can't be any worse than some other coaches we've seen in this conference.

 

[sooner 1234]

we're not all saying we think he'll be a great coach.

I am just saying all of these things stated dont automatically mean he will be a bad coach either. He may end up being either.

I do think going to OSU first as a head coach is a bad way to start. But there have been coaches learn on the fly. You never know.

A guy that has never even coached at the jr high Highschool level landing a top 25 to 30 D 1 job in college...what do you think the odds are he succeeds???seriously .

Sometimes the board amazes me .

 

[Maverick008]

A guy that has never even coached at the jr high Highschool level landing a top 25 to 30 D 1 job in college...what do you think the odds are he succeeds???seriously .

Sometimes the board amazes me .

I'm not saying Gottlieb will or won't succeed but I'm guessing you and others said the same things about how easy it was going to be to beat Iowa St. when they hired a guy with zero coaching background named Fred Hoiberg....to your point, the odds are probably extremely low that he can/will succeed but lets not act like it's NEVER been done especially when it was done in the Big 12 before.

 

[AdaSooner]

Doug has never been a real coach, but he could honestly say, "I played one on television for several years."

Does that qualify him for the OSU job? Not in the traditional sense that coaches move up the ladder as an assistant in training under a D-1 head coach somewhere. But, it's not like he has never been exposed to coaches at a high level that put him in a position to learn from them. Pair Doug with an older, experienced coach like James Dickey and I think he would be fine. His personality and the name recognition he enjoys on a national scale would give him an advantage in recruiting most new coaches would die for.

If OSU planned to hire Doug to shoot free shots and make layups, he'd be in trouble. But, they're looking for a basketball coach. How hard can it be?

 

[Maverick008]

Doug has never been a real coach, but he could honestly say, "I played one on television for several years."

Does that qualify him for the OSU job? Not in the traditional sense that coaches move up the ladder as an assistant in training under a D-1 head coach somewhere. But, it's not like he has never been exposed to coaches at a high level that put him in a position to learn from them. Pair Doug with an older, experienced coach like James Dickey and I think he would be fine. His personality and the name recognition he enjoys on a national scale would give him an advantage in recruiting most new coaches would die for.

If OSU planned to hire Doug to shoot free shots and make layups, he'd be in trouble. But, they're looking for a basketball coach. How hard can it be?

For some reason the "devil's advocate" side of me is in full force today I would also point out that a guy like Travis Ford was the "traditional route" choice that you and many other posters talk about and was a failure at the end of the day. Obviously this is the "normal" way to do it when trying to become a head coach at a major program but that doesn't mean it's always going to work.

 

[sperry]

There's also the fact that x's and o's are only a small part of the battle. Gottlieb would be able to recruit, there's no doubt about that. Building a cohesive program and unit is a different story, but I also think those are things that you're good at or you're not.


As many of us on here have lamented at times, Lon is a pretty mediocre in-game coach. What he is phenomenal at is program building and developing talent. I can definitely see Gottlieb being able to do that.

 

[sooner 1234]

I'm not saying Gottlieb will or won't succeed but I'm guessing you and others said the same things about how easy it was going to be to beat Iowa St. when they hired a guy with zero coaching background named Fred Hoiberg....to your point, the odds are probably extremely low that he can/will succeed but lets not act like it's NEVER been done especially when it was done in the Big 12 before.

Horrible comparison .

He played in the NBA for years and then worked for the Twolves front office for several years .

Compared to Doug how was a marnigal college player and works
for espn .

 

[AdaSooner]

Re: Is the timing right for Doug Gottlieb

For some reason the "devil's advocate" side of me is in full force today I would also point out that a guy like Travis Ford was the "traditional route" choice that you and many other posters talk about and was a failure at the end of the day. Obviously this is the "normal" way to do it when trying to become a head coach at a major program but that doesn't mean it's always going to work.

I'm sure you and others who might take the time to read my post will recognize that I was attempting (maybe unsuccessfully) to add a little humor in the last paragraph.

However, I was serious when I said Doug's experience as a "television coach of sorts" has prepared him well for the OSU job by putting him in a position to learn from the mistakes and successes he has observed from a steady parade of coaches at all levels. His resume' may not look as good on paper as a candidate who spent ten to fifteen years studying at the feet of a well known D-1 coach. But his job as a television broadcaster and an analyst prepared him just the same

I know one thing. If I was a coach, I would not want to go up against him in recruiting. Put an experienced assistant or two on his staff to handle the administrative stuff and he will be fine.

 

[sooner 1234]

There's also the fact that x's and o's are only a small part of the battle. Gottlieb would be able to recruit, there's no doubt about that. Building a cohesive program and unit is a different story, but I also think those are things that you're good at or you're not.


As many of us on here have lamented at times, Lon is a pretty mediocre in-game coach. What he is phenomenal at is program building and developing talent. I can definitely see Gottlieb being able to do that.

Why do people assume he would be able to recruit ?? because he's young and energetic.

if holder was a good AD he would make a hire like ou did with Lon . A PROVEN program builder/sustainer /winner who will be there atleast 5 years .

Why take a gamble like Doug as the head coach?. Make him an assistant ,cut his teeth , and maybe even a coach in waiting or he proves to be a great assistant down the road .

If Doug was all about being a basketball coach ...he would have been one .
He would have went small school ,proved himself and now be in position for a bigrime job like OSU.

He sold out for the money ( espn) but now wants his cake and eat it too.He thinks that he should be able to just step into a bigtime program with no experience coaching wise just because he played there and loves the school .

It would be like ou hiring Renzi Stone . I hope this board would have complete meltdown .Saying that I love Renzi .

 

[coolm]

I understand your point 1234. It's a valid position. In that regard I am more progressive but a conservative approach is certainly valid and may well be the best choice.

I am always intrigued about the path less traveled. While I am not a huge Doug fan I think he has positives. Those may not be the same combination of positives that satisfy your standard, but that combination may somehow click.

I understand you dont like it. opinions vary.

 

[Maverick008]

Horrible comparison .

He played in the NBA for years and then worked for the Twolves front office for several years .

Compared to Doug how was a marnigal college player and works
for espn .

What does ANY of that have to do with coaching experience which was the original argument? You went from "coaching experience is a must" to replacing it with "years in the NBA as a player and front office guy".... Gottlieb also played professionally over seas for a number of years which could provide connections recruiting wise. And as far as Gottlieb being a "marginal" college player, I'm pretty sure he's still in the top 10 for assists all-time in the NCAA. Yes the guy had his faults as a shooter for sure but clearly ran the team well as a pass-first PG.

Again, I forgot that you had to be a great player in college/NBA to be a successful coach. I get you don't think it would work and could agree based of the "zero coaching experience" but just because a guy was good in college or the NBA pretty much is zero backing that he would be a good head coach. There are tons of examples both ways of guys that were great in college/NBA and turned out to be great/horrible coaches.

 

[coolm]

What does ANY of that have to do with coaching experience which was the original argument? You went from "coaching experience is a must" to replacing it with "years in the NBA as a player and front office guy".... Gottlieb also played professionally over seas for a number of years which could provide connections recruiting wise. And as far as Gottlieb being a "marginal" college player, I'm pretty sure he's still in the top 10 for assists all-time in the NCAA. Yes the guy had his faults as a shooter for sure but clearly ran the team well as a pass-first PG.

Again, I forgot that you had to be a great player in college/NBA to be a successful coach. I get you don't think it would work and could agree based of the "zero coaching experience" but just because a guy was good in college or the NBA pretty much is zero backing that he would be a good head coach. There are tons of examples both ways of guys that were great in college/NBA and turned out to be great/horrible coaches.

good points.

 

[vbdad]

Both his dad and brother were college basketball coaches. I think his dad may have been a JUCO coach but his brother was (and maybe still is) on Cuonzo Martin's staff at Cal. So, I think while Doug has zero experience he will have resources at his disposal to help him bridge that gap. I fully expect him to hire either his dad or his brother to help.

His brother is an assistant at Oregon State which won all of one conference game this year. He will be a tremendous help to him.

No Hoiberg wasn't a coach but he was involved in running a franchise which is what a college coach has to do.

I hope Doug gets the job because it will be great for OU. I also do believe he is smarter than most coaches.

 

[sperry]

Why do people assume he would be able to recruit ?? because he's young and energetic.

if holder was a good AD he would make a hire like ou did with Lon . A PROVEN program builder/sustainer /winner who will be there atleast 5 years .

Why take a gamble like Doug as the head coach?. Make him an assistant ,cut his teeth , and maybe even a coach in waiting or he proves to be a great assistant down the road .

If Doug was all about being a basketball coach ...he would have been one .
He would have went small school ,proved himself and now be in position for a bigrime job like OSU.

He sold out for the money ( espn) but now wants his cake and eat it too.He thinks that he should be able to just step into a bigtime program with no experience coaching wise just because he played there and loves the school .

It would be like ou hiring Renzi Stone . I hope this board would have complete meltdown .Saying that I love Renzi .

He's personable, and he knows how recruiting works.

As for a Lon type, who is out there that you can just go get? Lon Kruger is a one of a kind breed, as someone who clearly likes to move around and thus could be motivated to leave and was also at a program below his stature. Those guys don't just grow on trees, I can't think of a single comparable coach who you could say with 100% confidence could come in and turn the ship around. Plus, not that Norman is a particularly great place to live, but it's a hell of a lot better than Stillwater.

 

[Maverick008]

No Hoiberg wasn't a coach but he was involved in running a franchise which is what a college coach has to do. .

Which hasn't helped him one bit as the head coach of the bulls. Sometimes people just fit situations better than others.

 

[Darwin]

I think Doug will be successful if he has a good budget for assistants. I'm not trying to change minds, its just my gut feeling.

 

[hoopsaustin]

I think gottlieb will be a disaster and i can't wait to watch it unfold ha

 

[tsou89]

For what it's worth, a friend of mine has a connection in the osu ATh Dept. this guy responds "no way" when asked about DG. But hey, who really knows!