Is the timing right for Doug Gottlieb?

i think Doug (potentially) has some upside but if i were an OSU fan....it seems too risky for the program right now. it could be a catastrophe as well.

i don't think OSU can afford a catastrophe....the job has lost a lot of luster. NBA factor.....lost their coach in a very public way the week of March Madness when everything is amplified......and was never as glorious as we were made to believe.

ironically, every day the sun comes up and the "basketball school" in Oklahoma is looking more and more like they want to be a football school.

i think Gundy has done a great job and a consistent top 15 type program for a decade....love his offense....but, ya know?

not every great coach is secretly willing to prowl the sidelines at GIA....seems.
 
I really don't understand why it's not a high profile job... For those who have been to a game at a packed GIA, it's awesome. It's a very unique game experience. Very fun, super loud.

And you can obviously attract talent to Stillwater.

  • In 2005 they signed the #1 class in the country
  • In 2006 they brought in Gary Flowers and Obi Muonelo, both 5 star guys
  • In 2007 they brought in James Anderson and some very solid Big 12 players
  • In 2008 they had a bad class
  • In 2009 they brought in three 4 star players
  • In 2010 they brought in the #1 juco (JP Olukemi), Markel Brown who was awesome, Cobbins who was a great role player, and Darrell Williams who was very good until he raped someone
  • In 2011 they brought in LeBryan Nash, a 5 star guy
  • In 2012 they brought in Marcus Smart, a 5 star guy, Phil Forte, a great role player, and Kamari Murphy, a 4 star guy who transferred to Miami
  • In 2013 they signed Jeff Carroll, who is an all conference player now
  • In 2014 they signed several 4 star guys, but none of them lived up to billing
  • In 2015 they signed Jawun Evans, a 5 star guy, along with Davon Dillard, who is very good

There is no talent limitation in Stillwater.... they just haven't had a good coach since Eddie Sutton left. Sean Sutton would have been the answer but of course he had substance abuse problems.

So you have a great arena, play in a great conference, have great facilities, can attract great talent.... why isn't it high profile?

I fully believe that if Bill Self coached OSU he could compete for championships with them. They have no real basketball limitations.
 
stormspencer said:
That is a patently absurd comparison on several levels. Gottlieb knows the game from an "Xs and Os" standpoint exponentially better than John Blake ever could know the game of football. If you've ever watched Doug during basketball telecasts, you would realize the technical competence and understanding he has of the game. Gottlieb also has had high profile exposure in the media as a commentator and analyst.....so recruits are likely to know who he is. I'm not saying these things would automatically translate into success, but they wouldn't hurt him either. I believe the two big questions with Gottleib would be:
  • Can he develop players (i.e. are his players getting noticeably better by the time they are juniors and seniors). He is obviously unproven in this regard.
  • Can he motivate and get the most out of players or will some players tune him out? We won't know that until we see him in action.
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If Gottlieb indeed gets the job and he is no better than mediocre, then you and a handful of folks will be right.....and I will be wrong.
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Handful of folks????.....you mean literally everyone in the country other then the HORRIBLE Oklahoma media and few message board posters .
Doug would never even be considered for an assistant at another basketball program much less a head coach .
That hire is far out in left field it's laughable .

Blake was an absolute fool , but one heck of a recruiter .He may have fielded some of the worst coaches squads in Ou history but he also recruited some of the key pieces for ou NC in 2000.
I guess you could say a necessary evil .
 
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thebigabd said:
I really don't understand why it's not a high profile job... For those who have been to a game at a packed GIA, it's awesome. It's a very unique game experience. Very fun, super loud.
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Virtually any collegiate gym is very fun and very loud when it's packed.

When was the last time GIA was packed, though? I've not seen it even close to packed in a number of years, but I certainly don't watch every oswho game.
 
Is a college degree a prerequisite for the job. Does Doug have his? Does Desmond Mason?
 
thebigabd said:
I really don't understand why it's not a high profile job... For those who have been to a game at a packed GIA, it's awesome. It's a very unique game experience. Very fun, super loud.

And you can obviously attract talent to Stillwater.

  • In 2005 they signed the #1 class in the country
  • In 2006 they brought in Gary Flowers and Obi Muonelo, both 5 star guys
  • In 2007 they brought in James Anderson and some very solid Big 12 players
  • In 2008 they had a bad class
  • In 2009 they brought in three 4 star players
  • In 2010 they brought in the #1 juco (JP Olukemi), Markel Brown who was awesome, Cobbins who was a great role player, and Darrell Williams who was very good until he raped someone
  • In 2011 they brought in LeBryan Nash, a 5 star guy
  • In 2012 they brought in Marcus Smart, a 5 star guy, Phil Forte, a great role player, and Kamari Murphy, a 4 star guy who transferred to Miami
  • In 2013 they signed Jeff Carroll, who is an all conference player now
  • In 2014 they signed several 4 star guys, but none of them lived up to billing
  • In 2015 they signed Jawun Evans, a 5 star guy, along with Davon Dillard, who is very good

There is no talent limitation in Stillwater.... they just haven't had a good coach since Eddie Sutton left. Sean Sutton would have been the answer but of course he had substance abuse problems.

So you have a great arena, play in a great conference, have great facilities, can attract great talent.... why isn't it high profile?

I fully believe that if Bill Self coached OSU he could compete for championships with them. They have no real basketball limitations.
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kinda funny...because i appreciate the effort but all the 4 and 5 star guys are since the last time OSU actually won an NCAA game.

i personally don't think Illinois is so much a better job than OSU on balance but Underwood seems to think so....and they are willing to pay the 3 times the current poke salary. and Holder also seems to confuse/equate the success of ISU and Tech....i'm just some prick living in Colorado but what i see is ISU being really competitive under two coaches, winning games, winning Big XII tournaments in KC....and OSU getting lathered up for a first round loss a lot of years.

i would go where i was appreciated, too. if that's the story.
 
skyvue said:
When was the last time GIA was packed, though? I've not seen it even close to packed in a number of years, but I certainly don't watch every oswho game.
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Twice this year by my eyes. Us and Kansas were both to the rafters.
 
WaymanFan said:
Change "Gottlieb" to "Blake", "OSU" to "OU" and "basketball" to "football". 21+ years ago, Barry Switzer said the exact same thing.
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Except Blake recruited a lot of good players to OU. Do you think Gottlieb will do the same before he's eventually shown the door?
 
John Thompson III is available
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/john-thompson-iii-out-at-georgetown-after-13-seasons-173903889.html

John Thompson III has been fired by Georgetown after 13 years as its men’s basketball head coach, the university confirmed on Thursday. School president John J. DeGioia informed Thompson of the decision Thursday morning.

Thompson III, who took over the program less than six years after his father left, led Georgetown to eight NCAA tournaments and one Final Four, but had slumped to two sub-.500 seasons amid crescendoing calls for his dismissal. The Hoyas went 14-18 in 2016-17 one year after finishing 15-18.

The news comes one day before a planned student protest was set to take place on campus. Some Georgetown students and alumni had signed a petition asking the university to remove Thompson III. Fans brought banners to games calling for his firing, and former players expressed concern with the direction of the program.

Thompson compiled a 278-151 record in his 13 seasons at Georgetown. Early in his tenure, progression was rapid. He turned a 19-13 first-year record into 23 wins and an NCAA tournament appearance the following season. In Year 3, the Hoyas won 30 and reached the Final Four.

Thompson III’s tenure included eight NCAA tournament bids overall, but Georgetown hasn’t reached the Sweet 16 since ’07, the year it made the Final Four. The past decade has been littered with down years and early postseason exits. The Hoyas lost to Steph Curry and Davidson in 2008, Ohio in 2010 and VCU in 2011. They lost to N.C. State in 2012, Florida Gulf Coast in 2013 and Utah in 2015.

Georgetown immediately enters the market for a new coach. Former player Patrick Ewing, currently an assistant coach with the Charlotte Hornets, will likely be a popular name in the search for Thompson III’s successor. There have also been suggestions that Harvard coach Tommy Amaker could be a leading candidate.
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He is 51 years old, and is reported to have a net worth of $9 million. His salary was about $3 million. Would he take a pay cut at another school to remain as a head coach at a big time university?

http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-athletes/richest-coaches/john-thompson-iii-net-worth/
 
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To Answer the OP's Question, Holder said no the timing is not right.
 
Max Power said:
Then Doug should go be an assistant coach for a few years and get some experience.
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Exactly. It's all well and good to talk about wanting to be a head coach and even feeling like he's qualified to be one. But there's no way he's putting in the hours right now that it takes to be a successful coach at the D1 level. How confident could Holder be that Gottlieb has what it takes to put in those hours? At least the assistants are doing that now.

Houston tried this with Clyde Drexler years ago. He's a former player there, loves the university, prestigious name, he'll be able to recruit and they'll get good assistants to help him with the coaching part. And then he found out how hard those coaches actually work and what all is involved. You can't just sit back, put in your 40 hours and let the assistants do all the hard stuff.

I'm not saying Gottlieb can't or won't do that but there's no doubt that he could get an assistant coaching job now and has chosen not to. How could any AD feel confident that Gottlieb is willing to do what it takes to win in the Big 12?
 
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