Jay Wright, best coach in the country....

[sperry]

You keep saying that. We just had the most EFFICIENT offense in college football history, and I believe that is an efficiency stat that is weighted for SOS, which makes it imperfect. Truth be told, everybody healthy, I think I take the 2008 offense over last year's, though it's close.

And you never did address OU having some of the best offenses ever, on three different occasions in the last 20 years. That alone points to it being more than "innovation". People called the 2008 offense the best ever (still highest scoring, or scoring average, I believe).

I did address this. Bob always favored innovative offenses. It's the reasons we ended up with the guys we did at the coordinator position. It's not a surprise that we ended up with a guy who is way ahead of the curve and extremely intelligent: Lincoln Riley.

 

[TINY]

You keep saying that. We just had the most EFFICIENT offense in college football history, and I believe that is an efficiency stat that is weighted for SOS, which makes it imperfect. Truth be told, everybody healthy, I think I take the 2008 offense over last year's, though it's close.

And you never did address OU having some of the best offenses ever, on three different occasions in the last 20 years. That alone points to it being more than "innovation". People called the 2008 offense the best ever (still highest scoring, or scoring average, I believe).

The 2008 offense got shut down by Florida. The offense last year never came close to being shut down. The only reason we didn’t get #8 was because we had one of the worst defenses in program history, again. Pair last season’s offense with the ‘08 defense and we are talking about one of the best teams of all time.

 

[SoonerBred]

The 2008 offense got shut down by Florida. The offense last year never came close to being shut down. The only reason we didn’t get #8 was because we had one of the worst defenses in program history, again. Pair last season’s offense with the ‘08 defense and we are talking about one of the best teams of all time.

1 TD on Offense in the 2nd half wasn't exactly lighting it up post in game adjustments by Georgia.

 

[SuperHoops]

All their guys are from the Rust Belt/Mid-Atlantic area. Brunson is from IL but only for a couple of years after his dad got hired by the Bulls. I guess the population density of that area makes it easier find quality players in your region.

 

[WTSooner]

The 2008 offense got shut down by Florida. The offense last year never came close to being shut down. The only reason we didn’t get #8 was because we had one of the worst defenses in program history, again. Pair last season’s offense with the ‘08 defense and we are talking about one of the best teams of all time.

In 2008 we played Florida without Murray. That makes a HUGE difference.

As was pointed out below, the offense struggled plenty during the year. 7 points in the 2nd half against UG. Only 3 points in two OT possessions. Only 29 against UT, including only 10 in the second half. 3 in the first half against tOSU. That could have buried us in that game, had tOSU been a better offensive team early in the season. Only 31 against ISU at home, including only 7 in the second half.

And then lets face it, most of our games were against a very, very poor Big 12. The conference as a whole is down from where it was at one time, and with OU not being down, we are running over most of those guys.

And to be clear, I really like LR, I'm glad he is our coach, and I think he is a fantastic offensive mind.

 

[TINY]

1 TD on Offense in the 2nd half wasn't exactly lighting it up post in game adjustments by Georgia.

31 in the first half against a top 10 D wasn’t enough? Ou scored 14 against UF the entire game. Yes, Murray being hurt was huge but the WRs on that team were very average for OU standards. They were the reason we lost because they couldn’t get open against UF’s corners. CeeDee Lamb and Brown are worlds better than Iglesias and Johnson.

 

[hoopsaustin]

In 2008 we played Florida without Murray. That makes a HUGE difference.

As was pointed out below, the offense struggled plenty during the year. 7 points in the 2nd half against UG. Only 3 points in two OT possessions. Only 29 against UT, including only 10 in the second half. 3 in the first half against tOSU. That could have buried us in that game, had tOSU been a better offensive team early in the season. Only 31 against ISU at home, including only 7 in the second half.

And then lets face it, most of our games were against a very, very poor Big 12. The conference as a whole is down from where it was at one time, and with OU not being down, we are running over most of those guys.

And to be clear, I really like LR, I'm glad he is our coach, and I think he is a fantastic offensive mind.

Us playing without murray would have been like Florida playing without Percy harvin.. decided the game

 

[thebigabd]

You know what I think is kind of funny and kind of related to this conversation..... Army, Air Force, and Navy. Their coaches, Jeff Monken and Ken Napapoopotultila have modified the "option" a little bit, but they are pretty amazing to me.

Army went 10-3 and beat a top 25 San Diego State team in a bowl game running the option... They completed 1 pass for 6 yards. They had several wins this year where they didn't even complete a pass. They ran for 450 yards and 5 touchdowns, and scored 42 points. 42 points is a very respectable number. It's not like they won 14-10 in some grind out game. Army's coach beat Florida a few years ago without even attempting a pass, lol.

Then you look over at a team like Kansas... These clowns can't beat anybody. They went 1-11 last year, 2-10 the year before, and 0-12 the year before that. They lost to South Dakota State on their home field. I bet Army doesn't have a single player on roster who would get a scholarship offer from Kansas... and Army went 10-3 and won a bowl game and Kansas went 0-12.

I was watching Army play UTEP last year, because of a bet I had in Vegas... They won 66-14. They had 600 yards of offense and 7 rushing touchdowns in a single game. Kansas can't score 66 points on ANYBODY.

Teams who can't recruit SHOULD run the option, and get innovative with it. It's a hell of a lot easier to recruit and execute that system than some of the more modern systems. Georgia Tech has done very well with it at the ACC level. They won a freaking BCS Bowl Game a few years ago with it.

Moral of the story is.... programs need to recognize who they are and come up with the best ways to consistently succeed. This is true of OU basketball, OU football, Army football, Kansas football, etc... OU can recruit elite players on a regular basis for football, but it can't for basketball. OU needs to figure out an alternative path to success. Lincoln Riley is in a great position and has a great offensive mind. Can they play defense at an elite level? That being said, OU will be in the Big 12 championship hunt pretty much every season. They just get so much more talent than the rest of the league.

The "best coach in the country" is really going to be the person who can recognize their strengths and weaknesses as a program and put their team in the best situation to win on a consistent basis. I think Jeff Monken at Army is pretty damn amazing for winning 18 games in 2 years with 250 pound offensive lineman, not completing any passes, and not having nearly the talent of his competition. I also think its pretty amazing what Lincoln Riley, Nick Saban, etc do. But those guys are in different situations.

 

[WTSooner]

31 in the first half against a top 10 D wasn’t enough? Ou scored 14 against UF the entire game. Yes, Murray being hurt was huge but the WRs on that team were very average for OU standards. They were the reason we lost because they couldn’t get open against UF’s corners. CeeDee Lamb and Brown are worlds better than Iglesias and Johnson.

And maybe those UF corners were way better than anything UG had to offer up either?

 

[WTSooner]

31 in the first half against a top 10 D wasn’t enough? Ou scored 14 against UF the entire game. Yes, Murray being hurt was huge but the WRs on that team were very average for OU standards. They were the reason we lost because they couldn’t get open against UF’s corners. CeeDee Lamb and Brown are worlds better than Iglesias and Johnson.

Lamb as a freshman was not better. Lamb last year completely disappeared in all but a couple of games. I like him as a player, but he struggled getting open last year.

 

[TINY]

Lamb as a freshman was not better. Lamb last year completely disappeared in all but a couple of games. I like him as a player, but he struggled getting open last year.

Lamb as a high school senior was better than those guys. They were very mediocre wideouts. No size or speed. Badet would have been the best wideout on that team by a decent margin. Gresham, Bradford, Murray and that OL were elite, but the wideouts lagged way behind.

 

[WTSooner]

Lamb as a high school senior was better than those guys. They were very mediocre wideouts. No size or speed. Badet would have been the best wideout on that team by a decent margin. Gresham, Bradford, Murray and that OL were elite, but the wideouts lagged way behind.

Iglesias had more catches and more yard in 2008 than any OU receiver had this year. The catch difference was fairly significant. And that is with a pretty similar number of completions by each QB for those seasons.

 

[TINY]

Iglesias had more catches and more yard in 2008 than any OU receiver had this year. The catch difference was fairly significant. And that is with a pretty similar number of completions by each QB for those seasons.

I don’t doubt that. He was a volume receiver and no one was worried about him or Johnson with Gresham, murray getting all the attention. The WR depth chart was so incredibly bad with no depth to speak of and very average starters. OU’s depth chart last year had multiple 4 stars that couldn’t even get PT.

 

[WTSooner]

OU’s depth chart last year had multiple 4 stars that couldn’t even get PT.

Who?

Because outside of Rambo who redshirted, most everybody on the bench was pretty average or below. Miller? Bust. Mead? Bust. Smallwood? Glorified blocker/runner.

Last year, as far as true receivers go, it was basically Brown, Lamb, Badet, and Jones. And those last two started losing field time as the season went on. Smallwood would come in to run jet sweeps and block. Miller and Mead were garbage.

That actually isn't a very deep WR group at all. I'm not saying 2008 was any deeper, but it was basically 2-3 WR's each year, plus TE's and RB's doing all the damage. Iglesias, stats-wise, is a top 5 WR in OU's history.

 

[Eielson]

Jay Wright is coaching Villanova's football team now.

 

[BCSooners]

Jay Wright is coaching Villanova's football team now.

Implementing a 5 out system

 

[SoonerSpock]

Who?

Because outside of Rambo who redshirted, most everybody on the bench was pretty average or below. Miller? Bust. Mead? Bust. Smallwood? Glorified blocker/runner.

Last year, as far as true receivers go, it was basically Brown, Lamb, Badet, and Jones. And those last two started losing field time as the season went on. Smallwood would come in to run jet sweeps and block. Miller and Mead were garbage.

That actually isn't a very deep WR group at all. I'm not saying 2008 was any deeper, but it was basically 2-3 WR's each year, plus TE's and RB's doing all the damage. Iglesias, stats-wise, is a top 5 WR in OU's history.

Tough for Miller to be garbage last year when he redshirted.

 

[WTSooner]

Tough for Miller to be garbage last year when he redshirted.

Watch. He won't do jack this year.

 

[Sooner81]

Talk about a thread being hi jacked LOL

 

[AdaSooner]

Talk about a thread being hi jacked LOL

Yep. May be time to move it to the off topic forum. It would be there now if this was not the off season. lol