Joe C sounded kinda pissed there at the end

[Soonerman]

I didn't assume anything. You said the wall was 8 ft and you said it feels like a convention center.

Then you said the seats look orange on tv. If you went to the games, you would know the seats are red.

You proved you don't go to the games.

Case closed.

Now you're just trolling. LOL

 

[Iknowzilch]

there were a couple of articles that suggested as much but IMO they had it wrong.

Some of them (TRAMEL) still have this idea that Capel was hired as a less-expensive alternative.

I don't believe that at all. There were many signs to indicate that Capel could (and may still) be a very good coach in due time. His salary being less at the time was just an advantageous by-product.

Then they were apparently angered by his inactivity as things went in a slump and then his silence at the end. I think he was probably just letting JC try to pull it out and/or was at a loss because JC is his friend and is so well liked.

Now if they wanted to say this about Joe because for 20 years we still don't have a cogent plan to rekindle a flame for college basketball among our fans then I might agree.

Billy Tubbs privately said what highly successful coaches were interested in replacing Sampson but all were to expensive for Joe. He has corrected that this time and learned his lesson. Couldn't be more pleased with the hire. Wouldn't have wanted anyone else that is realistic.

 

[Iknowzilch]

Have to agree with BOB here. While I for one would love a new arena at the center of campus, using the location of the LNC as why student attendance is so poor is an excuse. From what I hear, the student section has been full at the LNC in the past; students just haven't been coming out lately because we sucked. The one thing that I do think could be improved is having a shuttle drive down from the dorm area to the LNC on game nights. The LNC is far from a great basketball arena, but the focus should be on getting the students interested in attending games at the LNC again, not on the possibility of a new arena.

Kids are so lazy today even at Campus they will drive 4 blocks to go to Houston Huffman Recreation Center. They need to redo the inside of Lloyd Noble and if they must shut it down right after basketball season and skip a year and play at either the Ford Center or Cox Center then great. They need to be realistic and make it a 10,000 seat arena and have a huge standing room only free section with big screens and then at the top and mid level suites with the upper deck at more of a steep incline.

 

[kbsooner]

The student body just doesn't care right now.

This. I even called out the students @ the football games. Show up late, most leave before the start of the 4th quarter. Most just show up to get seen, drink, and set the evenings social plans. Student apathy has grown tremendously since my tenure. I think the days of them showing an hour before the game and filling up the student section are done. Hell we had the best player in the nation and they still didn't pack it in....

 

[coolm]

This. I even called out the students @ the football games. Show up late, most leave before the start of the 4th quarter. Most just show up to get seen, drink, and set the evenings social plans. Student apathy has grown tremendously since my tenure. I think the days of them showing an hour before the game and filling up the student section are done. Hell we had the best player in the nation and they still didn't pack it in....

funny how it's not like that on all the other campuses.

gosh...how is this problem isolated to Oklahoma?

what could we possibly do?

oh wait - you're claiming it's just a lost cause. that we just crawl into a space, leave it alone, and die. the fact that it's different elsewhere be damned.

 

[stoops4pres]

This. I even called out the students @ the football games. Show up late, most leave before the start of the 4th quarter. Most just show up to get seen, drink, and set the evenings social plans. Student apathy has grown tremendously since my tenure. I think the days of them showing an hour before the game and filling up the student section are done. Hell we had the best player in the nation and they still didn't pack it in....

Although I don't agree with some of the students leaving as early as they do at football games, I'm not going to bag on them... Different priorities are for undergrads as opposed to much older adults with families, etc. And regarding football, OU isn't the only school that leaves early during blow-outs... Many great and historic programs do the same. Its just that OU has more blow-outs than most. Not saying its perfectly okay, just putting it in perspective.

As for basketball: I disagree, the students did a great job of attending games the year Blake won all the POY awards. There were only a handful of home games that I didn't attend, and all the ones I went to the students filled their sections for the most part.

And to be fair, from what I remember the students did a much better job of packing LNC when Blake was around as opposed to regular OU fans in attendance. So it's not just students that are/were the problem.

 

[ouscotty]

From watching other teams on tv, it seems that they give the students great seats close to the floor. At the LNC the donors seem to be the first priority.

 

[Soonerman]

This. I even called out the students @ the football games. Show up late, most leave before the start of the 4th quarter. Most just show up to get seen, drink, and set the evenings social plans. Student apathy has grown tremendously since my tenure. I think the days of them showing an hour before the game and filling up the student section are done. Hell we had the best player in the nation and they still didn't pack it in....

If you're gonna call out the students, then call out your fellow old people too who refuse to stand and leave early too. Sheesh, you'd think it's just a limited problem to OU students.

 

[kbsooner]

Although I don't agree with some of the students leaving as early as they do at football games, I'm not going to bag on them... Different priorities are for undergrads as opposed to much older adults with families, etc. And regarding football, OU isn't the only school that leaves early during blow-outs... Many great and historic programs do the same. Its just that OU has more blow-outs than most. Not saying its perfectly okay, just putting it in perspective.

I know its cliche to say "back in my day" (which was only a little over a decade ago), but it honestly is getting much worse lately. The games against Utah St. and Air Force were no where close to being blow-outs last season, in fact weren't even in the W column, yet almost half the student section was gone by mid to early 4th quarter. And before someone mentions a BS excuse that it was too hot which some on other boards claimed, well it was freaking hot "back in the day" too. Ask Donovan McNabb. Its a matter of respect for the program, and IMO too large portion of the student sect just don't see it that way and its a shame...

As for basketball: I disagree, the students did a great job of attending games the year Blake won all the POY awards. There were only a handful of home games that I didn't attend, and all the ones I went to the students filled their sections for the most part.

I'm going to respectfully disagree. I sit just above the student section for the past 3 seasons now have a real good idea on what the level of attendance is. I think back to the days of Eduardo and Hollis and having to show up an hour early and be lucky to get a seat in the lower level of the section.

And to be fair, from what I remember the students did a much better job of packing LNC when Blake was around as opposed to regular OU fans in attendance. So it's not just students that are/were the problem.

It was better during Blake's last season, but not what its been in the past. IMO its definitely slipped from my perspective. Also I totally agree its not the students that are crux of the attendence problem, its definitely across the board.

 

[JBaker]

The seats are orange.

That is all.

 

[kbsooner]

If you're gonna call out the students, then call out your fellow old people too who refuse to stand and leave early too. Sheesh, you'd think it's just a limited problem to OU students.

When I was a student we just handled ours and didn't give a **** what the "old people" were up to.

 

[stoops4pres]

I'm going to respectfully disagree. I sit just above the student section for the past 3 seasons now have a real good idea on what the level of attendance is. I think back to the days of Eduardo and Hollis and having to show up an hour early and be lucky to get a seat in the lower level of the section.

Not sure what exactly you are disagreeing with me on. Care to elaborate?

If you are talking about the past 2 seasons, then no doubt attendance in the past was better.

But if you are talking about Blake's last season, I think we'd have to pull some attendance figures because I honestly don't think the attendance was noticeably worse than the Eduardo/Hollis days. Actually, I am pretty sure student attendance wasn't better during Hollis' last year based on the multitude of games I went to. But maybe I'm wrong.

What I do know for certain is that for a number of games you had to show up very, very early to get in the lower sections during Blake's last year if you were a student.

It was better during Blake's last season, but not what its been in the past. IMO its definitely slipped from my perspective.

This is quite the natural tendency to have, but maybe your view is skewed because of the "back in my day" mindset. I get it in certain aspects from time-to-time as well... Because like I said before, since the students were great at packing the sections during Blake's last year, and it wasn't like you could show up at tip-off and have a front row seat, I'm not sure how that's any different from the Hollis era. I wasn't able to attend many home games during the Najera era, but I would be shocked if there was a marked difference there, considering how well the students showed for the Blake games.

Also I totally agree its not the students that are crux of the attendence problem, its definitely across the board.

Co-sign.

 

[Big Old Booger]

The seats are orange.

That is all.

If they are orange either

A. You are color blind
B. You are another OU fan who has never been inside the LNC
C. They have faded over the last 10 years

They were bright red from the day they were installed until the last game I attended in January of 2006 vs Alabama.

 

[Sam]

They have faded. Its reddish oranges.

 

[JBaker]

If they are orange either

A. You are color blind
B. You are another OU fan who has never been inside the LNC
C. They have faded over the last 10 years

They were bright red from the day they were installed until the last game I attended in January of 2006 vs Alabama.

They are quite clearly a dark orange.
You can tell on TV. You can tell in the stadium. You can tell sitting in them.
I assure you it's not some conspiracy that a few others and I have devised.

 

[kbsooner]

Perhaps the last 2 years have skewed my remembrance of Blake's Sr year. I will say I noticed the students were there in full force for the Big 12 slate that season. This last season was an absolute joke and probably has me on a "Coolm vs Joe C" type mindset. Here's to Kruger putting more back into seats all over the LNC. I know I'll be adding another ticket to my allotment.

Not sure what exactly you are disagreeing with me on. Care to elaborate?

If you are talking about the past 2 seasons, then no doubt attendance in the past was better.

But if you are talking about Blake's last season, I think we'd have to pull some attendance figures because I honestly don't think the attendance was noticeably worse than the Eduardo/Hollis days. Actually, I am pretty sure student attendance wasn't better during Hollis' last year based on the multitude of games I went to. But maybe I'm wrong.

What I do know for certain is that for a number of games you had to show up very, very early to get in the lower sections during Blake's last year if you were a student.



This is quite the natural tendency to have, but maybe your view is skewed because of the "back in my day" mindset. I get it in certain aspects from time-to-time as well... Because like I said before, since the students were great at packing the sections during Blake's last year, and it wasn't like you could show up at tip-off and have a front row seat, I'm not sure how that's any different from the Hollis era. I wasn't able to attend many home games during the Najera era, but I would be shocked if there was a marked difference there, considering how well the students showed for the Blake games.



Co-sign.

 

[Sooner23]

 

[Big Old Booger]

That looks red to me.

 

[kbsooner]

If they are orange either

A. You are color blind
B. You are another OU fan who has never been inside the LNC
C. They have faded over the last 10 years

They were bright red from the day they were installed until the last game I attended in January of 2006 vs Alabama.

Really the unpadded seats are too orange and the other seats too Texas A&M. Neither match the Crimson on the court.

 

[Big Old Booger]

They are quite clearly a dark orange.
You can tell on TV. You can tell in the stadium. You can tell sitting in them.
I assure you it's not some conspiracy that a few others and I have devised.

They may have faded to the point they appear as orange on TV, but they have always been red in person. I started attending basketball games in 1976 when it opened and up until I moved out of state in 2000, I was a season ticket holder a large portion of those years. I have probably been in the LNC 200 times at a minimum, and they never once appeared orange.

Are they crimson? No.
When they remodeled the LNC in 2002, they put in crimson seats at the lower portion and so when compared to those it may make the old plastic seats appear orange, but they were never orange to start with.