NBA Playoffs: Conference Finals Thread

[BoulderSooner]

I would still like to see the Thunder keep Perk. Even if his role is downgraded to a bench player eventually. He's a defender, rebounder, and leader. But Adams is going to be better than Perk in a couple years. Still isn't consistent.

i think they will keep him next season ..and the min will continue to shift to adams .. (like they have in this years playoffs) then he is gone in 15/16 ..

 

[WTSooner]

That is because they expect their PG to play like the old-school preconceived notion that a PG's sole duty is to "run" the offense.

No. It's b/c he still has too many games where he essentially shoots OKC out of any chance of winning the game.

I don't care how good his defense is. Or his effort. Or how many rebounds he has. Or assists. When you go 7 of 24 from the field, there is just about no way your team can win that game. And he's had A LOT of games like that. Either before the last game, or before the game two games ago, in half or nearly half of this year's playoff games, Westbrook had shot less than 40% from the field for a game. And OKC had lost nearly all of those games.

I'm not saying the guy has to 60% from the field, but if you are going to take 20+ shots, you better hit somewhere close to 45% of them. When you down in the 30's, you are hurting your team, regardless of what else you are doing on the court.

 

[BoulderSooner]

Serge Ibaka should be asking for an extension with Max money.

he is under contract until after the 2017 season ..

 

[152219]

No. It's b/c he still has too many games where he essentially shoots OKC out of any chance of winning the game.

I don't care how good his defense is. Or his effort. Or how many rebounds he has. Or assists. When you go 7 of 24 from the field, there is just about no way your team can win that game. And he's had A LOT of games like that. Either before the last game, or before the game two games ago, in half or nearly half of this year's playoff games, Westbrook had shot less than 40% from the field for a game. And OKC had lost nearly all of those games.

I'm not saying the guy has to 60% from the field, but if you are going to take 20+ shots, you better hit somewhere close to 45% of them. When you down in the 30's, you are hurting your team, regardless of what else you are doing on the court.

The Thunder sure do win a lot for having a guy with "too many games where he essentially shoots OKC out of any chance of winning the game". In the last 3 years, OKC has lost 1 playoff series with a healthy Westbrook.

You mentioned previously that you would rather have Parker than Westbrook. Do you still hold that opinion?

 

[SoonerBounce13]

No argument on his athletic ability. He's off the charts. He amazes me. The only knock is he is kind of a 2-guard learning to play the point, but some of his passes last night were spectacular.

I'm leaning more and more into the camp of he has always been looked at like this b/c of what was surrounding him. He looks like a point guard when he has a competent front court and more than KD on the court with him. I think he trusts Lamb or RJ a ton more than Thabo

 

[SoonerBounce13]

When you down in the 30's, you are hurting your team, regardless of what else you are doing on the court.

I get your point but you act like the only thing that matters is his shooting percentage. It's pretty ignorant to say he is only hurting your team if he goes for 20 pts, 10 rb, 10 ass, 5 steals but shoots 7/24.

 

[WTSooner]

You mentioned previously that you would rather have Parker than Westbrook. Do you still hold that opinion?

If I'm building a team? Yes.

Westbrook is probably better for OKC than Parker is, for a number of reasons. But the reverse is also true. Parker is better for SA than Westbrook would be.

Parker isn't getting any younger, but yes, if I was putting a team together today, to win now, I'd prefer Parker as my pg.

 

[BoulderSooner]

If I'm building a team? Yes.

Westbrook is probably better for OKC than Parker is, for a number of reasons. But the reverse is also true. Parker is better for SA than Westbrook would be.

Parker isn't getting any younger, but yes, if I was putting a team together today, to win now, I'd prefer Parker as my pg.

westbrook .. is better for each and every team .. than parker .

 

[SoonerBounce13]

In the playoffs this year:

Tony Parker:
18ppg
5.3 apg
2.3 rpg
.6 spg
3 topg
49%/35%/73%

Westbrook
26.6 ppg
8.1 apg
7.5 rpg
1.9 spg
4.4 topg
42%/28%/88%

LOL

RW does play 9 more minutes a game in the playoffs however.

per 48
Tony Parker:
27.9ppg
8.2 apg
3.6 rpg
.9 spg
4.6 topg
49%/35%/73%

Westbrook
32.7 ppg
10 apg
9.2 rpg
2.3 spg
5.4 topg
42%/28%/88%

 

[NickZepp]

Westbrook is a piece you can build a franchise around. Tony Parker is a nice point guard, but he's a piece to a puzzle. The Thunder are lucky to have 2 of the 5 best players in the league right now.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

WCF:
Tony Parker:
14.8 ppg
6.3 apg
1.8 rpg
.8 spg
3.0 topg
50%/25%/80%
29.5 MPG

Westbrook
26.5 ppg
7.3 apg
5.8 rpg
2.5 spg
3.8 topg
41%/30%/93%
36.5 MPG

 

[152219]

If I'm building a team? Yes.

Westbrook is probably better for OKC than Parker is, for a number of reasons. But the reverse is also true. Parker is better for SA than Westbrook would be.

Parker isn't getting any younger, but yes, if I was putting a team together today, to win now, I'd prefer Parker as my pg.

To each their own, but give me Westbrook every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

IF the thunder advance, I still think it is a good sized if, westbrook will be key to competing with Miami

 

[WTSooner]

To each their own, but give me Westbrook every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

Fair enough. I just question whether Westbrook would reign in his shooting if he were on a team with more than one scorer? I think he would struggle with that, and personally, I don't think he'd want to be that type of player.

And if I'm building a team, I'm going to be starting better scorers than Thebo and Perkins.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Fair enough. I just question whether Westbrook would reign in his shooting if he were on a team with more than one scorer? I think he would struggle with that, and personally, I don't think he'd want to be that type of player.

And if I'm building a team, I'm going to be starting better scorers than Thebo and Perkins.

you act as if parker doesn't shoot alot...

 

[SoonerBounce13]

in their careers, per 48, parker is 20+ FGA per game and westbrook is 23+

 

[WTSooner]

you act as if parker doesn't shoot alot...

About 11 times LESS per game than Westbrook in this series, if you take FT's into account (2 FT's = 1 shot, on average). 11 shots per game is a pretty big difference, IMO.

The other difference is that Parker shoots, in this series about 10% better from the field. That is a HUGE difference.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

About 11 times LESS per game than Westbrook in this series, if you take FT's into account (2 FT's = 1 shot, on average). 11 shots per game is a pretty big difference, IMO.

The other difference is that Parker shoots, in this series about 10% better from the field. That is a HUGE difference.

why would you take FTs into account?

BTW, their per 48 is about one shot a game difference

So let's recap...
RW is a better scorer, rebounder, facilitator, defender
Tony parker shoots better

 

[WTSooner]

why would you take FTs into account?

Because they likely resulted from a shot attempt that isn't counted in the other number, which is what we're trying to discuss here right?

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Because they likely resulted from a shot attempt that isn't counted in the other number, which is what we're trying to discuss here right?

Not always.

I notice that you haven't responded to any of the others stats...specifically the number of shots taken per 48. It's cool though, haters gonna hate