NBA Playoffs: Conference Finals Thread

[SoonerBounce13]

Call me a sour grapes Clippers fan (I know, I know) but I do get some satisfaction watching Westbrook cry like a preteen to the refs while the Spurs dominate in every facet of the game.

I just find it amusing after a bunch of my Oklahoma Thunders brothers and sisters kept jabbing at the clips for doing the same thing.

Well look at that, it's may 22 and the clips are still at home. even with the best pg in the league, the best pf in the league, and everybody's favorite coach.

 

[AdaSooner]

perkins isn't even close to being the thunder's main problem. You may have said it before but it was wrong then too. He isn't the problem.

I didn't say Perkins is the only problem. There are definitely others that need to be addressed. That still doesn't make him a quality center who can score, rebound, block shots and defend in the paint. He's as weak as any center in the league in every stat you want to name except maybe rebounding. And even that (4.6 rpg in the last 10 games) is nothing to write home about. I mean, the guy scores a little over 3.0 ppg and gets an average of 1 block every two games.

If he was a good defender that might be okay. He used to be, and that's why the Thunder signed him. He's not even a decent defender now. I have nothing against Kendrick Perkins. By all accounts, he's a much nicer person than the scowl seems to suggest. He's just not an elite center, and it's not even close.

 

[WTSooner]

Perkins isn't a good fit. He is a good post, and team defender, but isn't a rim protector. He is also a below average offensive player. He was fine in Boston when he was starting games with Rondo/Allen/Pierce/KG. But when you are starting alongside Ibaka and Thebo, well, that is just too many offensively challenged (or average at best) players on the court.

I think they'll let him go this offseason.

 

[sperry]

Perkins isn't a good fit. He is a good post, and team defender, but isn't a rim protector. He is also a below average offensive player. He was fine in Boston when he was starting games with Rondo/Allen/Pierce/KG. But when you are starting alongside Ibaka and Thebo, well, that is just too many offensively challenged (or average at best) players on the court.

I think they'll let him go this offseason.

Perkins problem are that his knee injuries have left him a shell of what he was in Boston. In Boston he was an athletic big man who could finish around the rim. Now I legitimately dont' think the guy can dunk.


They should let him go, but they may be too cheap to do so. This off-season is when we find out if the ownership is actually committed to winning, or view this solely as a profit maximizing exercise.

 

[garyeb2]

Perkins problem are that his knee injuries have left him a shell of what he was in Boston. In Boston he was an athletic big man who could finish around the rim. Now I legitimately dont' think the guy can dunk.


They should let him go, but they may be too cheap to do so. This off-season is when we find out if the ownership is actually committed to winning, or view this solely as a profit maximizing exercise.

Do you really think we have to wait that long to figure that out?

 

[sperry]

Do you really think we have to wait that long to figure that out?

Allegedly, they wanted to avoid repeat offender status, whcih is why they ducked the tax this year. If they go over next year I think we can say they are willing to spend within reason.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

I didn't say Perkins is the only problem. There are definitely others that need to be addressed. That still doesn't make him a quality center who can score, rebound, block shots and defend in the paint. He's as weak as any center in the league in every stat you want to name except maybe rebounding. And even that (4.6 rpg in the last 10 games) is nothing to write home about. I mean, the guy scores a little over 3.0 ppg and gets an average of 1 block every two games.



If he was a good defender that might be okay. He used to be, and that's why the Thunder signed him. He's not even a decent defender now. I have nothing against Kendrick Perkins. By all accounts, he's a much nicer person than the scowl seems to suggest. He's just not an elite center, and it's not even close.

I never said he was elite. I would be fine with calling him bad. But he isn't close to being a main problem with the thunder. He has his niche. And yes he is still an above average defeder


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[SoonerBounce13]

big game tonight. Spurs won't miss all the shots they did last game. KD needs to be KD again. Hasn't really taken over a game yet

 

[coolm]

Adams is becoming a force for OKC. What a GREAT draft pick!!

 

[playmakr]

7 of 24 from the field for Westbrook.

That is his 6th or 7th terrible shooting game in 14 playoff games.

THAT is why I don't consider him a top 7 or whatever player in the game. His good is good enough, for sure. But he is bad far too often. Needs to clean up the consistency.

Actually, his good is legendary.

He's now one of two players to have a 40 10 and 5 game in the playoffs. The other is Michael Jordan.

He's also one of two players in NBA history to have two game 7 triple doubles.

He's also 2nd in the playoffs this year in PER, behind only Lebron.

He's as clutch as they come. An elite superstar. A future MVP.

The Thunder, if they can keep their team together, are about to enter a phase where they will be the clear favorites every year for the foreseeable future. A unit of Westbrook, Jackson, Durant, Ibaka, and Adams is going to be very, very difficult to beat. Their big 3 are only now about to hit their prime. It's the natural order of the NBA to wait your turn. A number of titles are heading their way if they can afford to keep all those guys. (certainly a big if) I hope the Bulls can do something do put together a team that can possibly play with them, but I don't see it. That lineup would be/will be the best defensive front court in the league, has the best shot blocker in the league, the best PG in the league, (if he's not now he's trending in that direction into his prime) the best scorer and as Lebron ages maybe the best player in the league, in an elite organization that seems to mostly make the right moves.

Adams is becoming a force for OKC. What a GREAT draft pick!!

An Ibaka Adams defensive duo is dreadful for teams to think about. Scary to wonder what happens when Durant and Russ start bringing it on a more consistent basis defensively, which is also the natural order of a player's progression into his prime. I would also add I expect Durant to add some back to the basket game, although his frame makes it a bit more difficult with guys able to get under him and push him out. I would look for Ibaka to develop that as well. It's unclear what Adams offensive ceiling in, but he's already a great finisher and we know he's an all nba defensive type in the making.

As the Thunder start throwing out the trash (Sefalosha, Perkins) and as they move into their prime's, look out.

 

[NickZepp]

I would still like to see the Thunder keep Perk. Even if his role is downgraded to a bench player eventually. He's a defender, rebounder, and leader. But Adams is going to be better than Perk in a couple years. Still isn't consistent.

 

[snydrosooner]

I don't think Brooks is a particularly good coach, but he isn't the reason they got beat by 30.

I agree, look at Sephalosia. Don't get me wrong but I am glad he is not playing, but how do you go from a starter in the first 2 games to no playing a minute of menningful basketball in the next 2. I could see not playing as much or not even starting but to no menningful minutes.

I think that it coach admitting his mistakes.

 

[Max Power]

Serge Ibaka should be asking for an extension with Max money.

 

[AdaSooner]

I would still like to see the Thunder keep Perk. Even if his role is downgraded to a bench player eventually. He's a defender, rebounder, and leader. But Adams is going to be better than Perk in a couple years. Still isn't consistent.

I'll give Perkins credit, he played well last night. That was easily his best game in the series so far. I'll even concede the idea that he could be an asset to the team as a backup. But, I think Adams should be the starter now. He's already better than Perkins has been in two years or more

 

[SoonerBounce13]

I'll give Perkins credit, he played well last night.

He has been really solid the whole playoffs. I'm really impressed.

Surprisingly he has been clutch at the free throw line too.

 

[152219]

Actually, his good is legendary.

He's now one of two players to have a 40 10 and 5 game in the playoffs. The other is Michael Jordan.

He's also one of two players in NBA history to have two game 7 triple doubles.

He's also 2nd in the playoffs this year in PER, behind only Lebron.

He's as clutch as they come. An elite superstar. A future MVP.

The Thunder, if they can keep their team together, are about to enter a phase where they will be the clear favorites every year for the foreseeable future. A unit of Westbrook, Jackson, Durant, Ibaka, and Adams is going to be very, very difficult to beat. Their big 3 are only now about to hit their prime. It's the natural order of the NBA to wait your turn. A number of titles are heading their way if they can afford to keep all those guys. (certainly a big if) I hope the Bulls can do something do put together a team that can possibly play with them, but I don't see it. That lineup would be/will be the best defensive front court in the league, has the best shot blocker in the league, the best PG in the league, (if he's not now he's trending in that direction into his prime) the best scorer and as Lebron ages maybe the best player in the league, in an elite organization that seems to mostly make the right moves.


An Ibaka Adams defensive duo is dreadful for teams to think about. Scary to wonder what happens when Durant and Russ start bringing it on a more consistent basis defensively, which is also the natural order of a player's progression into his prime. I would also add I expect Durant to add some back to the basket game, although his frame makes it a bit more difficult with guys able to get under him and push him out. I would look for Ibaka to develop that as well. It's unclear what Adams offensive ceiling in, but he's already a great finisher and we know he's an all nba defensive type in the making.

As the Thunder start throwing out the trash (Sefalosha, Perkins) and as they move into their prime's, look out.

Agreed on all.

As I've repeatedly said, Westbrook is the key to the Thunder. When he is on, he is one of the top 5 players in the league and the Thunder are almost impossible to defeat. He is a stat stuffer and he plays his rear end off every game. Sure he is out of control too much, but the guy is just entering his prime.

 

[DenverSooner]

Actually, his good is legendary.

He's now one of two players to have a 40 10 and 5 game in the playoffs. The other is Michael Jordan.

He's also one of two players in NBA history to have two game 7 triple doubles.

He's also 2nd in the playoffs this year in PER, behind only Lebron.

He's as clutch as they come. An elite superstar. A future MVP.

I don't get people that are critical of Westbrook. I think he is possibly one of and even the best athletes ever in the history of sports. That doesn't mean he is the best basketball player but his athletic ability is just off the chart in a league of guys with athletic ability off the chart. The guy is only 25.

 

[152219]

I don't get people that are critical of Westbrook. I think he is possibly one of and even the best athletes ever in the history of sports. That doesn't mean he is the best basketball player but his athletic ability is just off the chart in a league of guys with athletic ability off the chart. The guy is only 25.

That is because they expect their PG to play like the old-school preconceived notion that a PG's sole duty is to "run" the offense.

 

[usedtobe1]

No argument on his athletic ability. He's off the charts. He amazes me. The only knock is he is kind of a 2-guard learning to play the point, but some of his passes last night were spectacular.

 

[NickZepp]

No argument on his athletic ability. He's off the charts. He amazes me. The only knock is he is kind of a 2-guard learning to play the point, but some of his passes last night were spectacular.

When he is aggressive and goes to the basket he is spectacular. He's been amazing this playoffs overall though. Sometimes he shoots too much and tries to be a hero too much and it can be his downfall.