New recruiting wish list (2-11-2011)

[thebigabd]

OU needs a point guard, shooting guard, and another big guy... All of these guys have been in a D-1 program and are a few years removed from high school. They would compliment Osby, Fitz, Pledge, and Clark very well.

Point Guard: Chris Colvin. Originally signed with Iowa State out of high school, was a top 100 recruit and played his freshman year there, he is now having a very good season at Palm Beach State CC in Florida.

Shooting Guard: Dylan Talley. Transferred to Blinn CC after earning freshman of the year honors at Binghampton as a freshman. He is currently the leading scorer in Region XIV as a 6'5'' 215 shooting guard. He averages 22.3 points per game, and adds 3.8 assists and 6.8 rebounds. Shoots nearly 40% from the 3pt line.

Philip Jurick: Big center who played his freshman season at Tennessee. Putting up big numbers in juco and has been to Norman for at least one visit.

 

[seniorsooner]

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[campbest]

Shooting Guard: Dylan Talley. Transferred to Blinn CC after earning freshman of the year honors at Binghampton as a freshman. He is currently the leading scorer in Region XIV as a 6'5'' 215 shooting guard. He averages 22.3 points per game, and adds 3.8 assists and 6.8 rebounds. Shoots nearly 40% from the 3pt line.

You really want to take a transfer from Binghampton? Can we be sure he in not one of their former viceroy drug lords?

 

[Sam]

If we go with your plan that means there will be a ridicolous amount of juniors and we will be gutted in two years when they all graduate.

2013 roster
Seniors
Carl Blair
Chris Colvin
Dylan Talley
Steven Pledger
Osby
Fitzgerald
Goff
Jurrick
Juniors
Cameron Clark
Calvin Newell
Tyler Neal
Sophomores
None
Freshman
Richard Peters
One other Freshman (my guess, a guard).

It will also be hard to bring in an impact type player with the other 2012 class spot as kids want to play now not behind a ton of SRs. I'm sorry but I really doubt that loading up on jucos is the answer to our problems.

 

[p230]

OU needs a point guard, shooting guard, and another big guy... All of these guys have been in a D-1 program and are a few years removed from high school. They would compliment Osby, Fitz, Pledge, and Clark very well.

Point Guard: Chris Colvin. Originally signed with Iowa State out of high school, was a top 100 recruit and played his freshman year there, he is now having a very good season at Palm Beach State CC in Florida.

Shooting Guard: Dylan Talley. Transferred to Blinn CC after earning freshman of the year honors at Binghampton as a freshman. He is currently the leading scorer in Region XIV as a 6'5'' 215 shooting guard. He averages 22.3 points per game, and adds 3.8 assists and 6.8 rebounds. Shoots nearly 40% from the 3pt line.

Philip Jurick: Big center who played his freshman season at Tennessee. Putting up big numbers in juco and has been to Norman for at least one visit.

Not that I have anything against these guys ( I really would like Jurick) but doesn't have so many guys that are going to graduate a the same time worry you? We might have two good years and then be right back where we are at now with so many new faces and inexperience.

 

[One More Rebound]

Not that I have anything against these guys ( I really would like Jurick) but doesn't have so many guys that are going to graduate a the same time worry you? We might have two good years and then be right back where we are at now with so many new faces and inexperience.

That's when you REALLY load up on the Jucos...:woot

 

[p230]

That's when you REALLY load up on the Jucos...:woot

Hmmm....not the answer I was looking for:ez-laugh:

 

[thebigabd]

You really want to take a transfer from Binghampton? Can we be sure he in not one of their former viceroy drug lords?

Need a scorer... he seems like a good scorer at 6'5'' with D1 experience.

Not that I have anything against these guys ( I really would like Jurick) but doesn't have so many guys that are going to graduate a the same time worry you?

No, if they do a good job recruiting that shouldnt matter. You WANT to be older, more experienced, etc than everyone else. Thats an advantage, not something to be worried about it.

We might have two good years and then be right back where we are at now with so many new faces and inexperience.

If you sign low to mid level freshman, it might take a couple of years for them to produce at a high level.

If we go with your plan that means there will be a ridicolous amount of juniors and we will be gutted in two years when they all graduate.

But if they are good, you will have a really good, experienced, talented team for a few years. If you recruit well that shouldnt be a concern. Fielding a great team should be the worry, not what happens when that great team graduates.

I'm sorry but I really doubt that loading up on jucos is the answer to our problems.

I would call a top 4 finish in the league next season and at least 25 wins if they signed a class like Goff, Talley, Jurick, and Colvin to add to the existing players.

So, in essence, one good recruiting class with some impact players WOULD be the answer to OU's problems.

 

[campbest]

Need a scorer... he seems like a good scorer at 6'5'' with D1 experience.

Do we know he is clean? I mean, a lot of bad stuff went down up there.

 

[Sam]

I would call a top 4 finish in the league next season and at least 25 wins if they signed a class like Goff, Talley, Jurick, and Colvin to add to the existing players.

So, in essence, one good recruiting class with some impact players WOULD be the answer to OU's problems.

How are you sure these guys are impact players?

All the jucos OU recruited last season sure have had a big impact.

Heres a quick run down.

The two signed Jucos
Nick Thompson - Isn't even getting any playing time right now.

C.J. Washignton - Good big off the bench but that is about it, and he was a juco All American who averaged 20 and 10.

The missed OU gotta have jucos:

Aziz N'Diaye - 17.0 minutes, 4.4 points, 5.8 rebounds, 1.2 blocks, for Washington

Marquise Carter - 12.4 minutes, 3.5 points, 1.3 assists for Gonzaga

Jawanza Poland - 28.5 minutes, 10.5 points, 2.8 rebounds, 1.8 assists, 1.3 steals for South Florida

Just throwing these numbers out there and saying its not as easy as just looking at the stats on NJCAA online and assuming they're impact players.

 

[seniorsooner]

Just throwing these numbers out there and saying its not as easy as just looking at the stats on NJCAA online and assuming they're impact players.

It's not?!?!?!?!

 

[thebigabd]

How are you sure these guys are impact players?

They are a little safer because they all have D-1 experience. Plus they have the great numbers.

C.J. Washignton - Good big off the bench but that is about it, and he was a juco All American who averaged 20 and 10.

He didnt play in a major juco league and is undersized.

Nick Thompson - Isn't even getting any playing time right now.

Lol, well, this was obviously a gigantic recruiting blunder by the staff... He is a DII player at best, wasnt even a good juco player either. He is not a good representation.

Do we know he is clean? I mean, a lot of bad stuff went down up there.

No clue.

The missed OU gotta have jucos:

Aziz N'Diaye - 17.0 minutes, 4.4 points, 5.8 rebounds, 1.2 blocks, for Washington

Marquise Carter - 12.4 minutes, 3.5 points, 1.3 assists for Gonzaga

Jawanza Poland - 28.5 minutes, 10.5 points, 2.8 rebounds, 1.8 assists, 1.3 steals for South Florida

Just throwing these numbers out there and saying its not as easy as just looking at the stats on NJCAA online and assuming they're impact players.

OU would be much better with Poland and Aziz.... Aziz would play more minutes at OU and be the athlete/shot blocker they need... Poland would be a good scorer to have. Those guys are impact players, no doubt.

But, the particular guys I mentioned here all have D1 experience where Poland, Carter, and Aziz did not.

PG: Chris Colvin/Carl Blair
SG: Steve Pledger/Dylan Talley
SF: Cameron Clark/Romero Osby
PF/C: Andrew Fitz/Robert Goff
PF/C: Romero Osby/Philip Jurick

Much better, I would think.

 

[Sam]

They are a little safer because they all have D-1 experience. Plus they have the great numbers.

So safer = impact?

He didnt play in a major juco league and is undersized.

I don't follow juco ball near enough but are the plays you listed in good leagues?

Lol, well, this was obviously a gigantic recruiting blunder by the staff... He is a DII player at best, wasnt even a good juco player either. He is not a good representation.

Wait, so bringing up a junior college kid only counts when he is a success story? Good to know.

Also the staff made a gigantic mistake kid on a kid they had at least seen in person but you endorse grabbing random jucos you just happen to see good numbers for?

PG: Chris Colvin/Carl Blair
SG: Steve Pledger/Dylan Talley
SF: Cameron Clark/Romero Osby
PF/C: Andrew Fitz/Robert Goff
PF/C: Romero Osby/Philip Jurick

Ok so lets bring in Talley to be a two year back up and further tie up the scholarship numbers. Wouldn't it make more sense to develop Newell as the back up 2 then get a random juco kid if he's just going to be a back up anyway?

 

[seniorsooner]

Also the staff made a gigantic mistake kid on a kid they had at least seen in person but you endorse grabbing random jucos you just happen to see good numbers for?

He's obviously a proponent of the Larry Cochell style of recruiting.

 

[thebigabd]

So safer = impact?

A safer assumption to be an impact player.

I don't follow juco ball near enough but are the plays you listed in good leagues?

I know the one Talley plays for is good.. dont know on the others. Colvin and Jurick have good high school reputations, though.

Also the staff made a gigantic mistake kid on a kid they had at least seen in person but you endorse grabbing random jucos you just happen to see good numbers for?

A.) I learned about Jurick on this forum, and it seems pretty unaminous that people want him. Are you saying you don't want Jurick to sign with OU? He isnt random, he has been here on recruiting visits.

B.) Chris Colvin was a highly rated player, clearly a high-major talent. Is that not the type of point guard OU is looking for? Do you have some kind of issue with him, or with me? Or that he left ISU and is in juco now? He isnt random either. I know who he is from ISU.

C.) Talley is random, but he is randomly the leading scorer in a good juco league and isnt undersized, which is a big issue in juco basketball.

These types of things always come up.... Whenever people talk about Cezar Guerrero or the Gonzaga kid, etc it never turns into this type of thing. Sure, if you think these guys just can't play, say that, but why would you place so much trust in confidence in Guerrero but not Colvin?

Wouldn't it make more sense to develop Newell as the back up 2 then get a random juco kid if he's just going to be a back up anyway?

To be honest, I forgot about Newell. He has rarely been seen, except for 30 seconds here or there. I also have a weird feeling that he will transfer for playing time.

 

[campbest]

I wouldn't want Capel recruiting Talley unless he was certain that Talley was not involved in the rif raf up in Binghampton. Last thing we needs is an accused drug deal and someone with potential illegal weapons charges on our team.

 

[thebigabd]

I wouldn't want Capel recruiting Talley unless he was certain that Talley was not involved in the rif raf up in Binghampton. Last thing we needs is an accused drug deal and someone with potential illegal weapons charges on our team.

WWTFD?

(what would Travis Ford do?)

 

[Big Old Booger]

WWTFD?

(what would Travis Ford do?)

Play him first
Ask questions later

 

[Seymore Cox]

If Capel signed that class, he should be fired.

 

[BigTime]

Didn't Colvin have attitude problems at ISU? I'm not sure I want him on our team and I'm not sure that this staff can change those problems...