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BoulderSooner said:
what do you want them to do??

they have no ability to cap pay in any way ..
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2 things they could do:

1) 1 free transfer, automatic sit no matter what (except medical redshirt).

2) crack down on in-season recruiting. Guys are openly talking to players about NIL or transferring while they are playing or enrolled at another school.

I’m more worried about the transfer situation rather than kids making money.
 
BCSooners said:
2 things they could do:

1) 1 free transfer, automatic sit no matter what (except medical redshirt).

2) crack down on in-season recruiting. Guys are openly talking to players about NIL or transferring while they are playing or enrolled at another school.

I’m more worried about the transfer situation rather than kids making money.
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What about coaches? We need to crack down on recruiting coaches under contract at schools. Should they have to sit out if they leave for another school before their contract is up? or are you just ok with everyone but the labor making money on this deal?
 
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Max Power said:
So its ok Lon Kruger bolts UNLV for OU, Porter Moser Bolts Loyola Chicago for OU, Lincoln Riley bolts OU for USC, Brian Kelly bolts Notre Dame for LSU, all in the name of more money, the NCAA can make a Billion a year off the Tournament, but the second the kids want some money it's all evil?
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Yes. For two reasons:

1. Those coaches aren't amateurs. That is their job, to coach. They have a contract.

2. Most of the ones that "bolt", the school they are leaving is getting financial compensation in the way of a contract buy out. That doesn't happen when a player leaves.
 
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WTSooner said:
Yes. For two reasons:

1. Those coaches aren't amateurs. That is there job, to coach. They have a contract.

2. Most of the ones that "bolt", the school they are leaving is getting financial compensation in the way of a contract buy out. That doesn't happen when a player leaves.
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and the players job is to play so that the schools can make money. It's a job, not amateurism. And the fact that the ncaa keeps losing court cases proves that
 
Coaches and players are by no means a one-to-one comparison. Many players are minors; coaches are adults, most with families to support (a few players have families to support, but relatively few). Coaches have begun their careers; players are students (though for how much longer, I wouldn't begin to guess).

If the players want to begin their careers, let them have at it, but not while they're purportedly amateur athletes and students.

I'm fine with a generous stipend, but it should go to every scholarship player on the team.

If we must have endorsements and the like, they should be carefully policed. No negotiations prior to a player signing with (or transferring to) a school, and if it's found some early deal-making occurred, the payer should be banned from being a booster and from making a deal with any other player, and the player in question should lose a year of eligibility.

The very idea that texas can put together a pay package for offensive lineman is absurd. That's not remotely what the NIL ruling addressed, and if we continue down that path, college athletics will be unrecognizable in short order, even more than they already are.

Heck, top college athletes have it better than professional athletes at this stage. Much more freedom to move about and fewer regulations on how much they can make. One need only look at the Ewers situation: He reportedly got a million dollars at tOSU before he ever played a down there, and then when he couldn't crack the top 3 in the lineup, he scurried off to texas, where another pot o' gold awaited. That is simply untenable.
 
BoulderSooner said:
what do you want them to do??

they have no ability to cap pay in any way ..
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I think they have to get the schools out of the process. NIL is for the athletes, schools are making money off of it. I have no problem with a player wearing team merh for an add, but teams should not be arranging the NIL for kids such as Texas with the offensive lineman.
 
skyvue said:
Coaches and players are by no means a one-to-one comparison. Many players are minors; coaches are adults, most with families to support (a few players have families to support, but relatively few). Coaches have begun their careers; players are students (though for how much longer, I wouldn't begin to guess).

If the players want to begin their careers, let them have at it, but not while they're purportedly amateur athletes and students.

I'm fine with a generous stipend, but it should go to every scholarship player on the team.

If we must have endorsements and the like, they should be carefully policed. No negotiations prior to a player signing with (or transferring to) a school, and if it's found some early deal-making occurred, the payer should be banned from being a booster and from making a deal with any other player, and the player in question should lose a year of eligibility.

The very idea that texas can put together a pay package for offensive lineman is absurd. That's not remotely what the NIL ruling addressed, and if we continue down that path, college athletics will be unrecognizable in short order, even more than they already are.

Heck, top college athletes have it better than professional athletes at this stage. Much more freedom to move about and fewer regulations on how much they can make. One need only look at the Ewers situation: He reportedly got a million dollars at tOSU before he ever played a down there, and then when he couldn't crack the top 3 in the lineup, he scurried off to texas, where another pot o' gold awaited. That is simply untenable.
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and how does any of ewers money cause you harm? Jealousy because someone feels he's worth it and you aren't? Or becuase OU wasn't the highest bidder? And do you make the same amount as everyone in your office? For years everyone has claimed a scholarship is pay. If that is the case then they have always been employees and not armatures. now the pay scale is changing. Now these employees have the ability to go out and market themselves and their skills. the are monetarily worth what someone deems them worth. Just like you to your boss.
 
Max Power said:
and the players job is to play so that the schools can make money. It's a job, not amateurism. And the fact that the ncaa keeps losing court cases proves that
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It is amateurism, actually. They are compensated with an education, which is no small thing in today's world. If they want to be professionals, they should be allowed to -- but outside the realm of collegiate athletics.

I'm not saying there's not room for changes that benefit athletes, but it's not a job. The student benefits in that he receives an education AND he receives training and experience that will benefit him greatly when he does begin his career. If he's convinced he doesn't need that training and experience, he should be able to go pro immediately. That's what needs changing (though again, I'm not averse to some changes on the college level).

By the way, all that money the schools take in goes right back into the improvements that benefit the athletes. This notion that the school at large benefits from the sweat and toil of the athletes is a bit overblown. Do some wealthy folks also contribute to the school because they love OU sports? One hopes (and it probably does happen in some instances), but the vast majority of money brought in by sports goes right back into the athletic department and benefits the athletes--in some ways directly and some ways indirectly.

I look forward to the day that someone insists the young men and women in the theatre department should be paid because their acclaimed production of Hamlet inspired a couple of rich theatre buffs to contribute sizable funds to the theatre department, but I'm not holding my breath for that.
 
WTSooner said:
Yes. For two reasons:

1. Those coaches aren't amateurs. That is there job, to coach. They have a contract.

2. Most of the ones that "bolt", the school they are leaving is getting financial compensation in the way of a contract buy out. That doesn't happen when a player leaves.
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Lol the players aren’t amateurs either. Just because that’s what the NCAA labels them doesn’t make it so.
 
Max Power said:
and how does any of ewers money cause you harm? Jealousy because someone feels he's worth it and you aren't? Or becuase OU wasn't the highest bidder? And do you make the same amount as everyone in your office? For years everyone has claimed a scholarship is pay. If that is the case then they have always been employees and not armatures. now the pay scale is changing. Now these employees have the ability to go out and market themselves and their skills. the are monetarily worth what someone deems them worth. Just like you to your boss.
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Then by all means, let them just begin the careers. Let them go pro, right out of high school, if they wish. I'm all for it.

College athletics should be conducted on a amateur basis, and if that means the top 10% of players go pro, so be it. Good luck to them.
 
skyvue said:
It is amateurism, actually. They are compensated with an education, which is no small thing in today's world. If they want to be professionals, they should be allowed to -- but outside the realm of collegiate athletics.

I'm not saying there's not room for changes that benefit athletes, but it's not a job. The student benefits in that he receives an education AND he receives training and experience that will benefit him greatly when he does begin his career. If he's convinced he doesn't need that training and experience, he should be able to go pro immediately. That's what needs changing (though again, I'm not averse to some changes on the college level).

By the way, all that money the schools take in goes right back into the improvements that benefit the athletes. This notion that the school at large benefits from the sweat and toil of the athletes is a bit overblown. Do some wealthy folks also contribute to the school because they love OU sports? One hopes (and it probably does happen in some instances), but the vast majority of money brought in by sports goes right back into the athletic department and benefits the athletes--in some ways directly and some ways indirectly.

I look forward to the day that someone insists the young men and women in the theatre department should be paid because their acclaimed production of Hamlet inspired a couple of rich theatre buffs to contribute sizable funds to the theatre department, but I'm not holding my breath for that.
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so you admit they are compensated, therefore its a job?
 
skyvue said:
Then by all means, let them just begin the careers. Let them go pro, right out of high school, if they wish. I'm all for it.

College athletics should be conducted on a amateur basis, and if that means the top 10% of players go pro, so be it. Good luck to them.
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Then also get rid of multi-million dollar coaching contracts and billion dollar tv deals.
 
Max Power said:
so you admit they are compensated, therefore its a job?
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Sorry, but your obsession with semantics couldn't be of less interest to me.

If an education worth tens of thousands of dollars, plus the training and experience they receive, is not sufficient, the athletes should feel free to go pro (and if any current regulations prevent them from doing so, those should be overturned).

The NFL is benefiting from the current system as much or more than universities are. If the NFL is not ready to allow 18-year-olds play in the NFL, then let it form a minor league. It can certainly afford it more than than public universities can.
 
snydrosooner said:
I think they have to get the schools out of the process. NIL is for the athletes, schools are making money off of it. I have no problem with a player wearing team merh for an add, but teams should not be arranging the NIL for kids such as Texas with the offensive lineman.
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that wasn't "the team" that was a group of texas businessmen ..
 
Max Power said:
Then also get rid of multi-million dollar coaching contracts and billion dollar tv deals.
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I'd be very happy to see collegiate sports scaled back. Football, especially, is currently in an "arms race" that serves no one except those whose salaries keep climbing -- and the athletes who benefit, and greatly so, from unending facilities upgrades.

The notion that OU football will soon have 20 "analysts" in addition to its coaching staff is absurd. I understand that, as long as other programs are doing it, so we will/must we, but I'd be fine with the NCAA passing rules limiting staff size.

Imagine if every school was limited to just a coaching staff (like the good old days of, what, five or six years ago?) and the money saved was funneled into the lesser sports or, even back to the university itself. Those athletes who actually excelled on the field could sign on for endorsement deals, as Caleb Williams did with Schwab meats, the non-stars could, in addition to their educations and training, receive a reasonably generous stipend and the rest of the money could go to benefit the university at large. Any athlete who felt they were getting a raw deal because of the above could just go pro and take his chances -- like the rest of us do in our careers.

It's buying players, as texas is doing, that most object to. The school should have nothing to do with the NIL deals except to police them to make sure they are abiding by whatever rules are in place (assuming any are ever put in place).
 
Max Power said:
What about coaches? We need to crack down on recruiting coaches under contract at schools. Should they have to sit out if they leave for another school before their contract is up? or are you just ok with everyone but the labor making money on this deal?
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Coaches have buyouts, they can also get fired.
 
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