Noreen

[Sawyer]

If that is the case, and I can't find anything to verify that it is, it's a bad rule. I understand the intent - preventing schools from inventing new academic scholarships every year to give to athletes - but if a recruit comes in with a 34 ACT and was in the top 10% of his or her high school class, they're going to qualify for plenty of pre-existing scholarships. There's a big difference between a school gaming the system to get more recruits in and a genuinely smart recruit choosing to take advantage of the academic aid he or she qualifies for.

I know at Mizzou, someone with those criteria would qualify for a number of scholarships, including one for $10,000 per year and another that covers the full cost of everything (plus a state-based scholarship for an additional $2,000 per year). I'd guess every NCAA school has similar scholarships.

I can't imagine how those kinds of institutional scholarships could be used by athletic programs to get around NCAA scholarship limits. Not many recruits qualify for those types of things.

 

[Sam]

I am pretty sure Beau Gerber was on a lot of academic scholarships his first couple of years his and didn't count vs the total. I think the same could be said for T.J. Franklin.

 

[seniorsooner]

There is absolutely no way possible that a walk-on on academic scholarship counts against your scholarship total. The only "full ride" academic scholarship that I am aware of is if you are a national merit scholar. Otherwise even if you receive the maximum state-funded scholarship that OU offers you are still going to have to pay above and beyond what that scholarship money covers. If ANY academic scholarship counted against your total then you would never have a single walk-on because they would have to pay out of pocket for 100% of their college tuition/fees.

 

[Sawyer]

I am pretty sure that a transfer can't walk on for the year they sit and receive athletic aid the following year. Or at least I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere recently...

 

[playmakr]

Who is saying academic schollies count against total and why are they saying it?

 

[Cheno]

Hardrick may have some player in him but he's not going to know unless he gets on the floor in pressure game type conditions. He could get a full ride and really good education at TU or OCU and probably significant minutes where his parents could watch every game. But sometimes floor minutes don't mean that much to some kids.

I agree. I was actually perplexed as to why Hardrick didn't play at all last year when OU was searching for warm bodies. He played a total of 4 minutes all year. With last years mess of not having enough bodies I'd have expected him to either 1) played more or 2) Gerber take those 4 minutes and Hardrick redshirt. It will be interesting to see how his career plays out. I'm rooting for him.

 

[OUguy11]

There's no way Kyle is leaving this year. He is a valued part of the team and has a house in norman with a the returning guys and has been here all summer. This Noreen situation is interesting for sure.

 

[Seymore Cox]

Is there anything to this Noreen revelation or is it just conjucture.

 

[stoopified]

Gerber came to OU from Winfield,KS onan academic scholly,and after he was at OU ffor a year or two was put on b-ball scholly when one opened up.Doing so is not completely altruistic on Capel(or any coach's part) since Beau's GPA boosts the team gpa.

The way this could work is if the scholly is PURELY academic.What sets Noreen apart is just how supremely qualified for an academic scholly he is.A 4.0 GPA and 36 ACT doesn't come along often.Missou hoops did something similar a few years back,I don't rcall whothe player was.

 

[OUguy11]

He would be a National Merit Scholar or very close wherever he went, so he would already have a full ride and would be able to help a school out in the process. As long as the kid is taken care of fully, does it really matter where the scholarship comes from? I think not.

 

[Krugerfan52]

Is there anything to this Noreen revelation or is it just conjucture.

The only reason I posted it is because Channel 9 or 53 said that he was in town over the weekend and showed some video of him. They said he was still open to many schools but that he had visited on May 29th-30th.

 

[OUguy11]

The only reason I posted it is because Channel 9 or 53 said that he was in town over the weekend and showed some video of him. They said he was still open to many schools but that he had visited on May 29th-30th.

The same snippet was in the Daily Oklahoman on Saturday as well.

 

[cowboysooner]

Don't know anything about Noreen. However, if you have a 33 or better on the ACT and a decent grade point average, you qualify for just about a full ride academically at OU and just about everywhere else. As you go up from a 33, it just gets easier and better to get scholarship money.

I don't know the rules on whether academic scholarships count towards your athletic scholarship numbers. If someone really knows, please chime into this thread and let us know.

My speculation is that a national merit scholar, on scholarship, could walk on and attempt to play any sport without messing up scholarship limits for that team. But then again, what if anything about the NCAA rules makes sense.

 

[sooner333]

Don't know anything about Noreen. However, if you have a 33 or better on the ACT and a decent grade point average, you qualify for just about a full ride academically at OU and just about everywhere else. As you go up from a 33, it just gets easier and better to get scholarship money.

I know this is true at OU *IF* you are from in-state. You essentially get your tuition and fees paid for with the State Regents Scholarship. I do not think that out-of-state residents qualify for this one. The National Merit Scholarship is much better (or was when I was leaving high school) because everyone in the nation qualifies, and I think you get your room and board paid for as well (even after you're done with the dorms).

 

[Seymore Cox]

Two visits in a month is pretty major if you ask me.

 

[JBaker]

I know this is true at OU *IF* you are from in-state. You essentially get your tuition and fees paid for with the State Regents Scholarship. I do not think that out-of-state residents qualify for this one. The National Merit Scholarship is much better (or was when I was leaving high school) because everyone in the nation qualifies, and I think you get your room and board paid for as well (even after you're done with the dorms).

Yup.
I went to OU out of Texas, graduated high school with a 3.6 GPA, 1400 SAT, 32 ACT. I got exactly $0 in scholarship money at OU.

 

[1H3@rtH0$]

Yup.
I went to OU out of Texas, graduated high school with a 3.6 GPA, 1400 SAT, 32 ACT. I got exactly $0 in scholarship money at OU.

Must have been because you were from TX. I came from K.C., MO and got two scholarships with a 3.75 or so GPA and just a 30 on my ACT. I was a National Merit semifinalist. There's no way Noreen won't be a National Merit Scholar. He's even got Beau beat as far as academics.

 

[JBaker]

Must have been because you were from TX. I came from K.C., MO and got two scholarships with a 3.75 or so GPA and just a 30 on my ACT. I was a National Merit semifinalist. There's no way Noreen won't be a National Merit Scholar. He's even got Beau beat as far as academics.

A lot of that depends on his PSAT score.
I was a semifinalist as well because I ended up somehow doing significantly better on my SAT than my PSAT.

 

[Smash Williams]

A lot of that depends on his PSAT score.

The assumption is that if Noreen made a perfect score on the ACT, it's almost impossible for him not to have made a National Merit-qualifying score on the PSAT.

I was a semifinalist as well because I ended up somehow doing significantly better on my SAT than my PSAT.

I'm confused by this. National Merit semifinalist status is determined solely by one's score on the PSAT during his junior year. You can make a perfect score on the SAT, but if you didn't make the cutoff score for the PSAT, you're not going to make National Merit semifinalist. The SAT has no influence on making National Merit semifinalist.

 

[JBaker]

The assumption is that if Noreen made a perfect score on the ACT, it's almost impossible for him not to have made a National Merit-qualifying score on the PSAT.

I'm confused by this. National Merit semifinalist status is determined solely by one's score on the PSAT during his junior year. You can make a perfect score on the SAT, but if you didn't make the cutoff score for the PSAT, you're not going to make National Merit semifinalist. The SAT has no influence on making National Merit semifinalist.

That's my point. My PSAT score didn't qualify me for National Merit Finalist, but my SAT score almost certainly would have. So I'm saying it's possible that he could have just done better on his ACT than his PSAT.