OSU fans - you are still 13-14 and...

Dignon003 said:
Our pile stinks less and is starting to dry up.
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DIG,

So you beat an average Texas team at home but the previous two games OSU was down in the second half by 35+ to BOTH Kansas and Missouri and you call that drying up? LOL LOL LOL

A ONE game win streak:ez-roll:
 
Vinny78 said:
DIG,

So you beat an average Texas team at home but the previous two games OSU was down in the second half by 35+ to BOTH Kansas and Missouri and you call that drying up? LOL LOL LOL

A ONE game win streak:ez-roll:
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Better than the losing streak OU is currently on.

This thread is like arguing over who has the better looking girlfriend, if one girl was 300lb and the other had buck teeth and facial hair.
 
propoke said:
Better than the losing streak OU is currently on.

This thread is like arguing over who has the better looking girlfriend, if one girl was 300lb and the other had buck teeth and facial hair.
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POKEY,

The point is that Dig posted that OSU was improving - I just called CRAP on that comment as your Ags got slaughtered 2 of the last 3 games. THAT IS NOT IMPROVING, LOL.

I have already stated that OU is poor this year but has a proven program builder who WILL correct things. Anyhow, getting your butt kicked 2 of 3 is not what I would call improving - if it is you all are in more trouble than we think.
 
stoops4pres said:
LOL, did you really just try to compare the two? When regarding their ability to turn around programs? You're really reaching with this one.

Not only has Kruger had more successful reclamation projects (you conveniently left off UNLV), but also has reached higher pinnacles within those projects. Primary example is him taking Florida to the Final Four, when they were previously one of the worst programs around.

Conversely, Travis Ford has won just one NCAA tournament game. Ever.
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I didn't leave off UNLV. I actually said he did a good job there. He did take Florida to the final four, I addressed that, but the next season Florida had 12 less wins and were a 1st round exit. In 95-96 they missed the tournament and were rebuilt and sustained by Billy Donovan.

Kruger has been at it quite a bit longer than Ford. I'd expect him to have a lot more tournament wins.

Ford has improved every program that he has coached, that's just a fact. I don't think Ford is done at OSU by any means.
 
So when does this game start? Church is at 7 and I am NOT planning on being a bad Christian tomorrow and skipping, hehe
 
The game is at 7:00 so you'll have to set the DVR. There is a schedule link at the top of the page, for future reference.
 
SuperHoops said:
The game is at 7:00 so you'll have to set the DVR. There is a schedule link at the top of the page, for future reference.
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Maybe I should give up watching this team for Lent ;)

Nah, I'll DVR it.
 
Dignon003 said:
I didn't leave off UNLV. I actually said he did a good job there.
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I should have conveyed that better. What I meant was that you conveniently left off the fact that he completely revitalized UNLV's program.

Dignon003 said:
He did take Florida to the final four, I addressed that, but the next season Florida had 12 less wins and were a 1st round exit. In 95-96 they missed the tournament and were rebuilt and sustained by Billy Donovan.
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Kruger inherited a Florida team that was on probation, and had only been to the NCAA Tournament only three times in the history of their program.. The fact that he reached the Final Four (and an additional NCAA appearance) is a tremendous accomplishment in itself. Not to mention, that run is more impressive than what Travis Ford has ever done.

Dignon003 said:
Kruger has been at it quite a bit longer than Ford. I'd expect him to have a lot more tournament wins.
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Kruger had won more NCAA Tournament games his first six seasons (went to the 2nd round with K-State in Year 5, Elite 8 in Year 6) than Ford has won, ever.

Dignon003 said:
Ford has improved every program that he has coached, that's just a fact. I don't think Ford is done at OSU by any means.
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You serious Clark?

Ok. State's record during his tenure:
2008-2009: 23-12
2009-2010: 22-11
2010-2011: 20-13
2011-2012: 13-14

I don't see an improvement, at all. If he left today, he would have left the program in worse shape than it was when he inherited it. That is the fact.
 
I don't see an improvement, at all. If he left today, he would have left the program in worse shape than it was when he inherited it. That is the fact.
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But the point is that he isn't leaving today.

He's not done at OSU, so you can't make any definitive statements about whether or not he improved things.

But even with a swoon these past two years, he did do something that the previous coach couldn't do - take OSU to the NCAA tournament.

The next two seasons will tell the tale of Ford at OSU. He'll either get the ship righted and create some real sustained success, or he'll be gone.
 
I think the jury is still out on Ford. I was discouraged at the beginning of the season but the team has obviously played much better lately even with a couple of blowouts. The team played hard in the second half of those games and didn't give up. I liked that.

If OSU doesn't show dramatic improvement next year then I think Ford will be on a very hot seat.

OU will have a competitive team with a lot of experience next year but I really believe Kruger will need another recruiting class or two to get OU back to where they normally are at.
 
oSuJeff97 said:
But the point is that he isn't leaving today.
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Dignon said it is a "fact" that Ford has improved every program he has been at, when he clearly hasn't with Oklahoma State. Ford's teams have regressed every single year (with more of his own players), and that is the clear, undisputed "fact".

Could Ford improve the program, even more so than when he initially accepted the coaching gig? Maybe. But right now, that aforementioned statement Dignon made is entirely incorrect. Dignon made the laughable implication that Ford and Kruger are on the same level as far as their ability to elevate programs from what they were when they took their jobs, and he included Oklahoma State. That is simply incorrect.


oSuJeff97 said:
He's not done at OSU, so you can't make any definitive statements about whether or not he improved things.
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Funny, because I remember most Pokes--if not all of them--were making similar statements about Capel on here before he was gone last season.
 
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This thread is humorous – sort of a microcosm of the conflict that rages daily between Sooner fans and Cowboy fans everywhere.

Most Sooner fans (myself included) like to make jokes about Ford's coaching ability (or lack of same). But one thing is certain: the guy CAN recruit. He's somehow convinced a goodly number of Top 50 players to come to Stillwater, and that's no easy trick (I keep recalling Capel's hell-hole comment). Of course, many of those players have either been big disappointments, have left the program early or have been run off by Ford.

With the kids he's already brought to OSU, and with Smart coming in next season, Ford should put a pretty impressive-looking team on the court next year. If he screws this one up and his 2012-13 Cowboys somehow find a way to not make the dance, then OSUJeff, PasoPoke, Ho-Hum and the others will no longer be singing Ford's praises. They and the other OSU fans will be ready to roll the Model-T man out of town on a rail (I suppose the same could be said for Kruger if he fails to return the Sooners to prominence within a certain period of time).

I guess the jury is still out on Mr. Ford. But, frankly, I hope he DOES find success at OSU. I'm certain Kruger will return the Sooner program to its once-proud status. And what could be better than watching the two Oklahoma schools go toe to toe each year with Big XII South supremacy on the line?
 
Tonight's game is why this entire thread was retarded.

Both schools have struggled, and both are probably pretty equally matched. I still like OU's long term prognosis better than the Pokes' though.
 
oSuJeff97 said:
Clearly the second team is the one "going in the right direction."
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Gotta love retrospection.

For the record, I think it's funny that both fan bases claim their programs are heading in the right direction at this juncture. Looks like Ford's program is continuing to regress (again, for the third season in a row), and it's way too premature to state that Kruger currently has OU headed in the right direction.

Nevertheless, glad OU didn't get swept in the lowest-quality Bedlam match in my lifetime. Both programs need to get their swagger back.
 
GIA Stout said:
With a whole two game lead in conference over OU with only 3 games to go.
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Since you love standings so much I thought I would update another one for you:

Oklahoma 128-94 all-time vs Oklahoma State.

Do you really have to reply to every anti OSU post in such a childish manner? It would be one thing if it was an OU poster on a OSU board, but to specifically come here and consistently reply in such a manner is puzzling to me????
 
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