OT: Football Talk

[WichitaSooner]

I think a healthy Sexton would be. He was so good as a freshman he was taking snaps away from a first rounder.

I’d take Ozaeta as a top half Guard going into next year.

Everett is a top half Center.

Howland is right on the verge, we’ll have to see how he progresses throughout the offseason. He transformed his body very well last offseason.

Sexton’s freshman season was two years ago, he only started half our games as a sophomore, and wasn’t particularly good this year before getting hurt. His lack of progress over the past couple years is similar to what we have seen from a lot of the guys who have been with the program since their freshman season. Taylor was also supposed to be a pillar of the line for multiple years when he first got playing time. That’s why I’m extremely reluctant to think that a couple of the guys who played fairly well the last three or four games are truly at the level where you could say they are better than average SEC linemen. I mean, we have struggled to run the ball for two straight years, including in the Big 12 and against nonconference opponents. Given that, listing 80 percent of our potential starters as top half in the league seems a stretch. I guess another way to look at it: do you think we have a single lineman who will even get honorable mention all conference recognition? If not, we aren’t anywhere close to where we need to be to have success in this league.

 

[BoulderSooner]

Sexton’s freshman season was two years ago, he only started half our games as a sophomore, and wasn’t particularly good this year before getting hurt. His lack of progress over the past couple years is similar to what we have seen from a lot of the guys who have been with the program since their freshman season. Taylor was also supposed to be a pillar of the line for multiple years when he first got playing time. That’s why I’m extremely reluctant to think that a couple of the guys who played fairly well the last three or four games are truly at the level where you could say they are better than average SEC linemen. I mean, we have struggled to run the ball for two straight years, including in the Big 12 and against nonconference opponents. Given that, listing 80 percent of our potential starters as top half in the league seems a stretch. I guess another way to look at it: do you think we have a single lineman who will even get honorable mention all conference recognition? If not, we aren’t anywhere close to where we need to be to have success in this league.

sexton was NEVER not hurt this season

 

[Moneyball]

sexton was NEVER not hurt this season

Yea idk what that take was. He was injured all year long, and still solidified whatever spot Bill needed him at when he was able to play. Guard or Tackle. Didn’t matter

 

[WichitaSooner]

Yea idk what that take was. He was injured all year long, and still solidified whatever spot Bill needed him at when he was able to play. Guard or Tackle. Didn’t matter

Again, I’m not looking for players who can “solidify” positions. How did that work this year when we were running the ball for about 3 yards per carry and couldn’t protect our quarterbacks?

And if someone is healthy enough to be out there playing, I don’t like to hear about injuries as an excuse. I’d guess about 99 percent of offensive linemen are less than fully healthy at any given point.

 

[Eielson]

His lack of progress over the past couple years is similar to what we have seen from a lot of the guys who have been with the program since their freshman season.

Bill Bedenbaugh has had his issues the last few years, and I'd be fine moving on from him, but to say he doesn't develop guys is blatantly false.

 

[Eielson]

And if someone is healthy enough to be out there playing, I don’t like to hear about injuries as an excuse.

This is the type of thing people who have never played a sport say.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Is Robinson back on scout team? And good to see that with our offensive line as healthy as they’ve been all season, we can’t move Navy’s undersized line enough to convert a pair of fourth-and-ones.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Well, Brent has pulled off the impossible. With a healthy offensive line, playing a team that can’t throw the ball, plays at a snail’s pace, and doesn’t have a single guy who would make OU’s roster, he manages to blow a 14-point lead.

This helps our draft position, right?

 

[CoachTalk]

Well, Brent has pulled off the impossible. With a healthy offensive line, playing a team that can’t throw the ball, plays at a snail’s pace, and doesn’t have a single guy who would make OU’s roster, he manages to blow a 14-point lead.

This helps our draft position, right?

Made your Christmas I bet.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Made your Christmas I bet.

Only would be the case if that incompetent man was let go and returned to his correct role as a DC. Instead we are looking ahead to another season where making a low level bowl is likely the best case scenario.

 

[Boom Soon]

Well, Brent has pulled off the impossible. With a healthy offensive line, playing a team that can’t throw the ball, plays at a snail’s pace, and doesn’t have a single guy who would make OU’s roster, he manages to blow a 14-point lead.

This helps our draft position, right?

He’s not it. Great guy, great DC, crappy HC.

 

[Boom Soon]

Only would be the case if that incompetent man was let go and returned to his correct role as a DC. Instead we are looking ahead to another season where making a low level bowl is likely the best case scenario.

His in game management is so bad and doesn’t seem to be getting better. Not kicking the field goal was just baaaaaad.

 

[WichitaSooner]

And how can Robinson be an afterthought after burning his redshirt and helping Brent avoid not making a bowl game? And how do we not play Mitchell or any of the young TEs? If that kid can’t get on the field with that position group being as bad as it is, God help us.

 

[daqman]

bv should resign.

 

[snydrosooner]

Well, Brent has pulled off the impossible. With a healthy offensive line, playing a team that can’t throw the ball, plays at a snail’s pace, and doesn’t have a single guy who would make OU’s roster, he manages to blow a 14-point lead.

This helps our draft position, right?

I am not defended Brent, but a healthy line that did not include 2 season starters is still not the line you want to role with.

 

[WichitaSooner]

I am not defended Brent, but a healthy line that did not include 2 season starters is still not the line you want to role with.

I’ll defer to Gabe when it comes to the health of our line and what our best unit is. His comment on the pod was that we were as healthy as you could possibly hope for this time of season and that with this group available against this opponent, there was no reason why we shouldn’t be able to go out and have our way offensively. Instead, we went 8 straight scoreless possessions after scoring the first two times we had the ball, and outside of the long TD run, our backs averaged about 3.6 per carry against an undersized service academy defense that got gashed on the ground by the good or decent teams on their schedule.

 

[hoopsaustin]

Well, Brent has pulled off the impossible. With a healthy offensive line, playing a team that can’t throw the ball, plays at a snail’s pace, and doesn’t have a single guy who would make OU’s roster, he manages to blow a 14-point lead.

This helps our draft position, right?

BV is trash as a HC. Didn't take the easy FG. Went for it on 4th and 1 at mid field when we had ALL OF THE MOMENTUM. the guy is an idiot. No feel for the game. In-game management is a D- at best. Hes not the guy

 

[NickZepp]

That was probably the best played game overall by an Oklahoma QB this year and the playcalling still stunk. Defense gave up way too much in the 2nd half. And the receivers are just trash and dropped too much. But if OU had that type of QB play all year I don't think we would be a 6-6 type team. Hawkins made mostly good decisions. Only one bad pass that I can remember. Had the fumble that didn't cost any points. Rest of the game was pretty accurate. He had like 7 or 8 drops or he would have had an amazing game but overall pretty solid. We win 8 or 9 games if we get that level of QB play this year.

 

[WichitaSooner]

That was probably the best played game overall by an Oklahoma QB this year and the playcalling still stunk. Defense gave up way too much in the 2nd half. And the receivers are just trash and dropped too much. But if OU had that type of QB play all year I don't think we would be a 6-6 type team. Hawkins made mostly good decisions. Only one bad pass that I can remember. Had the fumble that didn't cost any points. Rest of the game was pretty accurate. He had like 7 or 8 drops or he would have had an amazing game but overall pretty solid. We win 8 or 9 games if we get that level of QB play this year.

So you just assume we will get far better line play, running back play, and receiver play? Because that level of quarterback play wasn’t good enough to beat Navy, who is significantly worse than 9 of the 12 teams we play next season.

 

[NickZepp]

So you just assume we will get far better line play, running back play, and receiver play? Because that level of quarterback play wasn’t good enough to beat Navy, who is significantly worse than 9 of the 12 teams we play next season.

The defense was bad. Receivers were bad. Running game was non existent in the 2nd half. Basically everything but Hawkins was not good. Probably still nearly won in spite of that. Also this wasn't the same team from the regular season particularly on defense. If OU had that level of QB play say against Missouri or Tennessee or even South Carolina they probably win those games because the defense did enough in parts of those games to win them. Even Ole Miss with better QB play throughout is a winnable game. Fact is for most of this year our QB play was dog****. If the coaches knew where Jackson Arnold was really at as a QB they would have paid Dillon Gabriel 5 million for one year.