Other College BBall Thread 2024-5

It's been covered by folks who have a grudge against Riley and want to find ways to absolve Brent from the blame he deserves. However much decline there had been in Riley's last two years, it was nothing compared to the pace of decline under Brent. Three years in and he has yet to send a player he recruited to the program to the combine in an OU uniform, unless I am forgetting someone.
I don't know that I necessarily agree with all of your viewpoints on BV, and using the number of players going to the combine that weren't recruited by him is a rough way to gauge him at this point since it takes 3 years to even possibly have a guy go from HS to the combine. So this year would've been his first chance for it to happen for non-transfers and that would've been players from his shortened recruiting window when he originally came in.

I'll do my best to lay out guys BV is responsible for below.

Transfers he brought in currently in the league:
Tyler Guyton
Jonah Laulu

Transfers that will likely be invited to the combine:
Kendel Dolby
Deion Burks
Damonic Williams
John Mateer
Marvin Jones Jr (possibly)
Derek Simmons (possibly)
Kendal Daniels (possibly)

HS recruits that have a high probability of being invited to the combine:
Jayden Jackson
David Stone
R Mason Thomas
Kip Lewis
Peyton Bowen
Robert Spears Jennings

HS recruits that could see a combine invite if they make a jump:
Gentry Williams
Kobie McKenzie
Gracen Halton
Jayden Gibson
Jovantae Barnes
Jake Taylor
Jacob Sexton
PJ Adebawore
Logan Howland
Taylor Tatum
Xavier Robinson
Michael Boganowski
Eli Bowen

HS recruits that will likely end up in the league but play elsewhere now:
Nic Anderson
Jackson Arnold
Cayden Green

I did my best to leave off most of the freshman that didn't play this past season but there are a few in that group that could get added as well. Also - to the point about the state of the program when he took over - he was brought in to a team built completely around its offense, with no QBs on the roster, and with no defensive identity whatsoever. Based on the way we got pushed around in that last season under Riley, I don't think it's out of the question to mention that we'd seen a significant falloff from a S&C perspective as well.

I'm not arguing that BV is the guy, I'm just saying that I'm still lukewarm about him at this point which is nowhere near the way I currently feel about Moser and the bball program. This is absolutely a make it or break it year for BV and the football program, and if he doesn't right the ship this season it will likely mean it is time to move in another direction there as well.
 
Wichita: Not that I agree with everything you have said or all of your opinions, but I understand your position on Porter. You couldn't be more wrong on Brent. mictO85 is absolutely right. The program had been spiraling downward every year on Riley and the real reason he left was because he knew what the roster was comprised of and he was never going to be able get another contract, at OU, or anywhere else, if he didn't jump ship while his record would still get him a job. In virtually every way, Brent has improved the football team, save and except last year on offense. The reasons for the offensive woes are several, including a couple put on Brent. But, he has set out to fix those problems. Even great coaches have occasional failures, the question is do they introspectively and intelligently figure out what happened and set in motion proper fixes. I think he has done that with the offense, but only time will tell.

As for Porter, I normally wait a day or two after a loss before posting in order to regain rationality and some sense. I didn't the other day and posted I thought he should be fired. I owe him an apology. Having played sports, watched all manner of sports all my life, and raised a son that played sports until he got out of college, I can say with absolute certainty that just because a kid is coached doesn't mean he always follows that coaching or does what he is told. I was mad at Porter the other day because anyone that has ever watched or played basketball, every coach down to the YMCA kids league, knows that officials abhor calling fouls at the very end of a game and prefer to let the players decide the game. Even with regard to calls they would make nearly every time earlier in the game. With a 2 point lead, I thought Sam not getting out and under Pedulla and forcing him to dribble was so fundamentally flawed as to be unforgiveable and stupid. With a 2 point lead at the end of the game, you have to switch on every screen, body up and stay under the shooters and don't foul them on a shot going to the rim. That's it. It isn't complex. If they get around you, and you can't defend without fouling them, let them have the layup. Then, try and win or go to overtime by taking the last shot. Simple, take losing in regulation out of play. So, when Sam didn't get under Pedulla and stayed off of him so he could cut off a drive to the basket, I blamed Porter and that was the last straw for me.

However, I listened for the first time today of his postgame interview with Toby. He had instructed his kids to do exactly as I stated he should have and Sam just, for whatever reason under the pressure of the circumstances, stayed off of Pedulla and just tried to defend the shot. So, I put that on Sam and not Coach. And, the same situation with Dayton in the corner. I blamed Porter for Dayton's not taking the shot and driving the baseline. Again, I was wrong. Porter's play was to drive with Duke and the fall back was Dayton in the corner. Perfect coaching in my mind. Dayton got the ball with time to shoot, and just decided to drive the ball. Under pressure we don't always do what we are supposed to do. Dayton should have take the shot from the corner. Just like Pedulla, a kid running isn't in the sight line from his eyes to the back of the rim.

Lots of people would prefer someone other than Porter to be coach. I might too. But, he hasn't been the disaster some make him out to be, considering the mess he walked into and the complete change in the college game. He will have his third winning season in four years. He has recruited well and shown a good eye for talent in many cases, although he has not been able to retain some players for whatever reasons This year, he had a decent non conference schedule and was undefeated, has won 4 conference games in one of the best conferences in history, and has lost 5 conference games by less than 4 points. In 4 games, he had a lead late and essentially lost on the last possession. mostly with really tough shots by opponents. He is just 5-6 possessions going our way from having an winning record in conference and upper bid in the NCAA Tourney this year.

Frankly, I don't really care what Joe does with Porter after the year. I will support him and the team next year, or if Joe lets him go, I will support whoever he brings in. I am more of a Tubbs philosophy guy than anything else, and I don't think those coaches to exist. So, whether Porter or someone else is the coach, I will be supporting a coach that doesn't have a style consistent with what I prefer. Given the choice, I would like Nate Oats, but he isn't leaving Alabama. So, I am fine with Porter if Joe is. I regret and hereby take back my demote and/or fire Porter posts taken in a fit of post game rage.
In no universe should Sam Godwin EVER be guarding Sean Pedulla in that situation. Why was he even in the game???? Terrible coaching.
 
I don't know that I necessarily agree with all of your viewpoints on BV, and using the number of players going to the combine that weren't recruited by him is a rough way to gauge him at this point since it takes 3 years to even possibly have a guy go from HS to the combine. So this year would've been his first chance for it to happen for non-transfers and that would've been players from his shortened recruiting window when he originally came in.

I'll do my best to lay out guys BV is responsible for below.

Transfers he brought in currently in the league:
Tyler Guyton
Jonah Laulu

Transfers that will likely be invited to the combine:
Kendel Dolby
Deion Burks
Damonic Williams
John Mateer
Marvin Jones Jr (possibly)
Derek Simmons (possibly)
Kendal Daniels (possibly)

HS recruits that have a high probability of being invited to the combine:
Jayden Jackson
David Stone
R Mason Thomas
Kip Lewis
Peyton Bowen
Robert Spears Jennings

HS recruits that could see a combine invite if they make a jump:
Gentry Williams
Kobie McKenzie
Gracen Halton
Jayden Gibson
Jovantae Barnes
Jake Taylor
Jacob Sexton
PJ Adebawore
Logan Howland
Taylor Tatum
Xavier Robinson
Michael Boganowski
Eli Bowen

HS recruits that will likely end up in the league but play elsewhere now:
Nic Anderson
Jackson Arnold
Cayden Green

I did my best to leave off most of the freshman that didn't play this past season but there are a few in that group that could get added as well. Also - to the point about the state of the program when he took over - he was brought in to a team built completely around its offense, with no QBs on the roster, and with no defensive identity whatsoever. Based on the way we got pushed around in that last season under Riley, I don't think it's out of the question to mention that we'd seen a significant falloff from a S&C perspective as well.

I'm not arguing that BV is the guy, I'm just saying that I'm still lukewarm about him at this point which is nowhere near the way I currently feel about Moser and the bball program. This is absolutely a make it or break it year for BV and the football program, and if he doesn't right the ship this season it will likely mean it is time to move in another direction there as well.
I’d just argue that in this era, portal recruiting is so important that he absolutely should be expected to have brought in guys who would have been at the combine. I bet a huge percentage of guys drafted this season are guys who have transferred in the past three years.
 
Steve —- I totally agree that sam shouldn’t have been in the game. Couldn’t have disagreed more with porters explanation of why he had to be in the game.

Just don’t place his judgment on this to be on the same level as the other mistakes I thought porters made but actually didn’t.
 
Steve —- I totally agree that sam shouldn’t have been in the game. Couldn’t have disagreed more with porters explanation of why he had to be in the game.

Just don’t place his judgment on this to be on the same level as the other mistakes I thought porters made but actually didn’t.
Well his judgment in this specific situation may have cost us the game, and losing this game may have cost us the tournament and him his job.
 
Well his judgment in this specific situation may have cost us the game, and losing this game may have cost us the tournament and him his job.
I think it is arguably his worst decision of all. There is zero rational explanation for defending that possession that way, both in terms of who was on the court and the decision to switch everything, including with our slow five man.
 
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