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Sherri is she wants to keep her job. Make up the 25% with a 40% bonus for performance on the court, conference championships. Sweet 16's, Elite Eights, Final Fours and national championships and maintaining acceptable graduation rates.

For certain I do not want to see OU continuing to paying her a top 5 salary in the country when she has had only two conference runnerup finishes in the last 7 years. Finishing 3rd 4th or 5th the other 5 years.

We paid her well for what she did for OU 2000-2010. Now she needs to start earning what we have been paying her 2011-2017 as seven consecutive years a trend does make.
 
Sherri is she wants to keep her job. Make up the 25% with a 40% bonus for performance on the court, conference championships. Sweet 16's, Elite Eights, Final Fours and national championships and maintaining acceptable graduation rates.

For certain I do not want to see OU continuing to paying her a top 5 salary in the country when she has had only two conference runnerup finishes in the last 7 years. Finishing 3rd 4th or 5th the other 5 years.

We paid her well for what she did for OU 2000-2010. Now she needs to start earning what we have been paying her 2011-2017 as seven consecutive years a trend does make.

We've been through this often enough.

1. David Boren and Joe Castiglione decide what Sherri is worth, based on their criteria.
2. Your criteria are irrelevant since you are not the one who makes the decision on what she is paid.
3. We gain nothing by discussing this in perpetuity on the board since we have no idea what the criteria are.
4. Take it up with them.
 
We've been through this often enough.

1. David Boren and Joe Castiglione decide what Sherri is worth, based on their criteria.
2. Your criteria are irrelevant since you are not the one who makes the decision on what she is paid.
3. We gain nothing by discussing this in perpetuity on the board since we have no idea what the criteria are.
4. Take it up with them.

Did you forgot this was a website board for expressing opinions on subjects regarding OU WBB. And you asked a question that I answered. Fortunately you like me can only express your worthless opinion as well. You probably will not see me being quiet until after your meaningless diatribes against those you with which you disagree cease.

For certain were Bob Stoops, Patty Gasso, Mark Williams and K.J. Kindler to be performing at Sherri's level (no conference championship this decade) strong questions would be asked about whether they were the right coach and whether they were being overpaid. I would strongly suspect Bob Stoops would be long gone.

Your going into never, never land would enhance this board immensely. In fact I will make you an offer. I will agree to never post on this board again if you will agree to do the same. Would make for a better board for all. Are you up to it?

Just think were you to move on this board would not have to put up with your moaning, groaning and *****ing about Kim Mulkey and Hipocrite U and could focus on discussing the pros and cons of OU WBB and how they could become a more successful team.

And it the discussion of a perfomance compensation for Sherri is unacceptable to you perhaps retiring her will solve the problem with the performance of OU WBB and save OU $500K. And there is definitely a problem with the performance of the WBB team going on 7 consecutive years now.
 
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I don't want Sherri to be Mulkey or our players to be gang bangers, you pathetic sunshine pumpers.

I want us to play tough and determined all the time, to scrap and never let up. I want a coach who shows some fire instead of a controlled burn. I want players who do the same.

If you guys will notice, Sherri has been on the refs the last couple of games like never before. Not out of control, but just beginning to forcefully, with a little emotion and fire, state her case. I like that. We got a lot of calls against Baylor, I think, because she did.

When you're getting embarrassed on television by 35 points, I don't want to see any effing smiles in the huddles or laughs between players. I want to see some passion, some fight. I want to see coaches with some fingers in faces and foot stomping going on. I want players to get after each other to focus and play hard.

The team is a reflection of the coaches. Being ladies and first-class people and athletes, being role model, going to Bible study and being a family are all well and good. Laudable. I want all of that too.

But winning basketball games is every player and coach's JOB -- or at least playing good enough not to get embarrassed on national television is. 2 of 14 from the field, shooting 18 percent at home is a complete failure to do their job. I don't care whether it's an exhibition game, senior night or the national championship game.

Having your stars (think Little, Maddie, Ortiz) disappear for two or three games at a stretch is not acceptable.

There are, quite frankly, too many instances (not just against Baylor) that we often look like we would rather be home on the couch watching a Lifetime movie. We frequently play like we are scared and as to paraphrase Sherri, like we've never played together before.

Couple that with the fact that we clearly don't have players that have the same level of talent Baylor has and you get what we saw last night.

Sherri's recruiting is improving. Gone are the days when we have volleyball players on the roster. Two years from now, after we have some freshmen becoming sophomores, I think the talent level for OU will be higher and we will be able to compete.

If not, then it's time to re-evalute Sherri's tenure. But not until then.

Sherri is a great person and a great coach. I don't know if anyone else could do, or could have done, the job she has done.

But it is getting close to time when greatness must be demanded and mediocrity must be rejected.

I don't think that mean Sherri needs to be fired or retire. I think that may end up meaning a change in the type of player we are recruiting and some changes in the staff, or changes in the way some things are being done.

If you bring a program back from the dead. You can certainly correct what is wrong with this team and program right now. I have faith Sherri can do it. The only question I periodically have is will she.

I frankly don't see any reason she wouldn't, unless she's too stubborn and figures she's close to retirement and doesn't have to work that hard. I've heard she's very stubborn. I can't imagine the latter ever being the case.
 
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And, one more thing: I don't give a damn about how much Sherri and the staff are being paid. They've earned every penny of it. Now, if they want more more money that is fine, but they better produce better results before they get it.
 
I have always viewed Coale as a super competitive person and one who takes a lot of pride in the product she puts on the floor. Surelt these 34 and 39 point beatdowns Mulkey has put on her this year will make her see that she needs to improve her recruiting. I do not know if she is too selective in the type of player she wants or she just can not close the deal with many players. There is something keeping us from getting the athletic players that others are getting. I would like to see some players like Caton Hill, Leah Rush, and Amanda Thompson. They rebounded with a vengeance and nobody took the ball away from them. I probably left out some others like them. Think Courtney Paris. Something has to give or it is going to be the same every year. I know some on here are satisfied with that but many are not.
 
I do not care for Sherri as a coach, to me she has ran her course here at OU and is not up to what I expect from a coach. On the other hand to do support the OU women's team. Yes I can be a fan of one and not the other. To use Sherri Coale own words...'disappointed'
Now I fully expect to be called horn, osu, baylor fan for saying this but I'm at least being honest to all and myself.
 
It's not that Sherri can't recruit, it's that she doesn't like to, and then she also likes a certain type of player, basically kids who put god 1st, there's nothing worng with that, just makes our talent pool that much smaller... Any coach is going to look for a kid that fits into the team, or else it could be bad for chemistry and morale... Big 12 guard play chaned right before A&M left the league, there final year in the big 12 they had some outstanding fast Athletic guards who could shoot, only Baylor adjusted...

Also Cox doesn't fling her off arm around she uses it to creat space, Cox game reminds me of Jayne Appel who played at Stanford from 2006-2010... Appel also used her off arm and it often went uncalled, I guess it's a basketball move... Cox did nothing to Lang but went for the ball, her hand came down and it poked Lang in the eye, but it was definitely nothing malicious about it.... Yes Mulkey might be a tool, but that's not a right for People to go after the young lady's of the team...
 
First talent and toughness are two different things if you can get a player who is botj you have a true gem. However if you are in fact out matched in talent like almost every other team in the country is against Baylor at the very least make them earn every possession toughness is not taught it is who you are. Sherri will have a way better chance of getting these kids vs trying to as everyone on here pleads for talent. You just beat a team in Texas full of all Americans - stop acting like that is the only answer. Yes you need at least some top players but if you can't get 1-10 but you can get 6-7 (11-100) that are tough then you have an entire different situation. As a coach you all are crazy to think coale is anything less than hall of fame she has done amazing things with what she has. Everyone in the damn country wants Lauren cox but really after watching her display last night are you more glad Baylor ended up with her? What this team needs is good talent that is tough that is who beat Texas stop expecting Sherri to do something that about 4 teams in the country have a chance to do this season and that is beat Baylor.
 
I only ask that OU not have 7 - 8 players on the bench Who could not play for any D1 team in America.
 
Don't be lumping me in with that group that may (or may not) think Sherri is not a HOF coach.

She definitely is. She proved that a long time ago. I love having Sherri as our coach. I just want her and the team to reach previous heights and it's been a while since those halcyon days.

I don't even know if anyone even hinted that they believe Sherri isn't a HOF coach. If they did, I missed it -- and they are as wrong as they could be.
 
First talent and toughness are two different things if you can get a player who is botj you have a true gem. However if you are in fact out matched in talent like almost every other team in the country is against Baylor at the very least make them earn every possession toughness is not taught it is who you are. Sherri will have a way better chance of getting these kids vs trying to as everyone on here pleads for talent. You just beat a team in Texas full of all Americans - stop acting like that is the only answer. Yes you need at least some top players but if you can't get 1-10 but you can get 6-7 (11-100) that are tough then you have an entire different situation. As a coach you all are crazy to think coale is anything less than hall of fame she has done amazing things with what she has. Everyone in the damn country wants Lauren cox but really after watching her display last night are you more glad Baylor ended up with her? What this team needs is good talent that is tough that is who beat Texas stop expecting Sherri to do something that about 4 teams in the country have a chance to do this season and that is beat Baylor.

Agree with this mostly.

Cox showed her true colors last night by whining on every call, like every good Hypocrite U player does and also when Gioya fouled her late and fouled out of game, Cox started clapping that she had fouled out. I'm not sure if she was like this in high school but she's learned quite quickly at Hypocrite U.
 
Clearly we need to get better. We are a top 15-20 team, but we aren't a top 10 team right now. I still contend we aren't that far off. A lot of our issues against Baylor are purely psychological. They are extremely physical, and it gets in our head.

What is frustrating to me is this bogus idea of "freedom of movement." If you aren't going to whistle the fouls against the best teams in women's college basketball in games that matter, don't make it a point of emphasis. I really think Lon & Sherri must be entirely frustrated because they have embraced change within college basketball and have adjusted their coaching styles to this supposed new era of "freedom of movement."

What Baylor continually gets away with in the BIG 12 Conference has to stop. They literally play defense by fouling and forcing officials to make every single call. They know full well, especially with Mulkey's tantrums, the officials can't possibly call everything.

Some things will never change. Mulkey intentionally coaches very physical defense, and until the officials make her change, she won't. It doesn't matter what they say the point of emphasis is.

Sherri has developed her offense and coached her team the way the sports was designed to be played. The problem is that it's not reality. If the officials aren't ever going to really change (and those were supposedly the "best" last night), then clearly Sherri needs to recruit a bit more muscle and start teaching kids to throw some elbows. Unless they get reviewed for 15 minutes on the replay, they won't get called.
 
Agree with this mostly.

Cox showed her true colors last night by whining on every call, like every good Hypocrite U player does and also when Gioya fouled her late and fouled out of game, Cox started clapping that she had fouled out. I'm not sure if she was like this in high school but she's learned quite quickly at Hypocrite U.

Oh man get rea! this is nitpicking at its finest....no I didn't see the game, but if Cox did start clapping after Gioya fouled out that was a bit childish but she's also a freshman... other teams and players could get mad at Penzo or EJ for jumping up and down like we won a championship every time someone on the team makes a basket...
 
Clearly we need to get better. We are a top 15-20 team, but we aren't a top 10 team right now. I still contend we aren't that far off. A lot of our issues against Baylor are purely psychological. They are extremely physical, and it gets in our head.

What is frustrating to me is this bogus idea of "freedom of movement." If you aren't going to whistle the fouls against the best teams in women's college basketball in games that matter, don't make it a point of emphasis. I really think Lon & Sherri must be entirely frustrated because they have embraced change within college basketball and have adjusted their coaching styles to this supposed new era of "freedom of movement."

What Baylor continually gets away with in the BIG 12 Conference has to stop. They literally play defense by fouling and forcing officials to make every single call. They know full well, especially with Mulkey's tantrums, the officials can't possibly call everything.

Some things will never change. Mulkey intentionally coaches very physical defense, and until the officials make her change, she won't. It doesn't matter what they say the point of emphasis is.

Sherri has developed her offense and coached her team the way the sports was designed to be played. The problem is that it's not reality. If the officials aren't ever going to really change (and those were supposedly the "best" last night), then clearly Sherri needs to recruit a bit more muscle and start teaching kids to throw some elbows. Unless they get reviewed for 15 minutes on the replay, they won't get called.

Sherri knows this is Baylors game plan just like it was the way A&M played... it's up to her to have her team adjust durning the game...
 
Oh man get rea! this is nitpicking at its finest....no I didn't see the game, but if Cox did start clapping after Gioya fouled out that was a bit childish but she's also a freshman... other teams and players could get mad at Penzo or EJ for jumping up and down like we won a championship every time someone on the team makes a basket...

I'm not sure how you equate showing enthusiasm for your teammates and being nasty when an opposing player fouls out. There are freshmen all over the place and I haven't seen that. Joyner Holmes didn't act like that! But as we've seen over the years, there is a nasty culture at Hypocrite U.
 
I'm not sure how you equate showing enthusiasm for your teammates and being nasty when an opposing player fouls out. There are freshmen all over the place and I haven't seen that. Joyner Holmes didn't act like that! But as we've seen over the years, there is a nasty culture at Hypocrite U.
Maybe this OU team and staff is taking on some of the culture in these posts..Look at the top teams they play hard, next some will want to bring back six on six. I agree change with the game or be left behind..
 
Clearly we need to get better. We are a top 15-20 team, but we aren't a top 10 team right now. I still contend we aren't that far off. A lot of our issues against Baylor are purely psychological. They are extremely physical, and it gets in our head.

What is frustrating to me is this bogus idea of "freedom of movement." If you aren't going to whistle the fouls against the best teams in women's college basketball in games that matter, don't make it a point of emphasis. I really think Lon & Sherri must be entirely frustrated because they have embraced change within college basketball and have adjusted their coaching styles to this supposed new era of "freedom of movement."

What Baylor continually gets away with in the BIG 12 Conference has to stop. They literally play defense by fouling and forcing officials to make every single call. They know full well, especially with Mulkey's tantrums, the officials can't possibly call everything.

Some things will never change. Mulkey intentionally coaches very physical defense, and until the officials make her change, she won't. It doesn't matter what they say the point of emphasis is.

Sherri has developed her offense and coached her team the way the sports was designed to be played. The problem is that it's not reality. If the officials aren't ever going to really change (and those were supposedly the "best" last night), then clearly Sherri needs to recruit a bit more muscle and start teaching kids to throw some elbows. Unless they get reviewed for 15 minutes on the replay, they won't get called.
I agree with most of this. I wonder if we won't have the talent next year to make the Final Four, at least the Elite Eight.

As I remember the evolution of the Baylor team, I rather liked the 2005 team. It played good basketball, and I loved watching Niemann and Sophia. Then, something happened.

We got Courtney. Suddenly, we swept Baylor in all three games because of a freshman post, and Kim begin to play games. She began with the elbows, especially Wabara, in an attempt to get position on Courtney. We also had the Hack-a-Courtney, including when Courtney was out of bounds. Certain of those fouls should have been technicals. I think Kim was determined never to let a freshman beat her championship team again.

We went through the Griner years which must have been disappointing. If you remember, her remarks when Griner was a freshman was that you had better beat us this year because it will be the last time. But, Griner's team only won one.

Then, we see this evolution, a combination of two things that had beaten her, interior size and the muggery Gary Blair's defense, which isn't really defense, just a deliberate determination to take advantage of the fact that officials don't call the game properly.

For two years, we have had orders from the NCAA committee to call games closer. If we don't stop them, Baylor won't show up in uniforms, but in riot gear. I think we saw Sherri's frustration and anger last night, and I suspect that that the NCAA rules committee will get an earful. Even a few other coaches, like Aston, may be ready to put an end to what Baylor is doing. I did notice that Kim was quiet last night.

It's time to stop the assault and battery on the court. Sherri was right. This isn't women's basketball. The men's game is called tighter.
 
Look, I don't think the officials in any league in WBB are going to start really calling tougher play a lot closer.

It's like holding in football or using your hands in the NBA. It's a fact of life on virtually every play and it simply isn't going to get called all that tightly.

So, we'd better adjust. The thing we all like about Vivi is she, most of the time, is tough under the basket. She doesn't back off. She's on her player tight. She can be as rough as she needs to be.

The rest of the team gets pushed around -- well, like a bunch of girls playing a men's team. Mulkey has no weight and strength yet, especially in her hands. She better get it by next year or she will be nothing more than a role player her entire career. From players like her much is expected quickly or it's over.

I can't begin to even count the number of times I saw, Carter, Manning and Little get shoved around with virtually no resistance. Sure, most of them were fouls. Sure, most of that didn't get called.

I don't want fist-fights breaking out in the women's game, but it's not going to be like it was when my mother-in-law played back in the 30s either.

Toughen up or die. Give as good as you get, or your going to lose regularly. Rules or not.
 
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