Pacific Southwest Pod System Is Awesome

[bocabull]

The SEC innovated the 12 team conference with two divisions and a championship game back in 1992. While the Big XII was able to replicate this model with limited success it has flopped in the ACC and the Big 10 and Pac-10 decided against it for 20 years.

The main reason I have been against these super conferences is because it took a flawed model and made it bigger.

The pod system cures all of that and is also great news for the Kansas/Kansas States/Missouri/Iowa States of the world too. It is simply brilliant.

What you basically have is a 4 team mini conference/pod attached to other groups of pods. A conference within a conference. So the southwest pod of the pacific will be Texas, OU, TExas Tech and OSU. They will play every year in every sport and have a TV network for their pod.

Missouri/Kansas/KSU/ISU can form their own pod with a network and be in the Big 10, the SEC, the Big East, heck it don't matter.

In the SEC a new pod can be formed with LSU/A&M/Arkansas and somebody else like Baylor or Houston.

This is going to be awesome and good for everybody and will also set the stage for a kickass tournament in football and hoops.

 

[triplefatty]

I don't want to be in the big 10. I want the Big 12. The way it's supose to be. i want doug bell and reid gettys calling KSU-OU at 12:45 on your local phillips 66 carrier.

 

[Sawyer]

Not sure how kansas, kansas state or Iowa State fit into Mizzou's future pod in the SEC.

 

[WTSooner]

Not sure how kansas, kansas state or Iowa State fit into Mizzou's future pod in the SEC.

Kiss your football program goodbye. You guys will get romped in that conference.

Hoops may do alright though.

 

[campbest]

Kiss your football program goodbye. You guys will get romped in that conference.

Hoops may do alright though.

Hoops they will be fine...SEC West is the worst bball conference in the country.

 

[bocabull]

Poor Missouri. Desperately jumping at any possible chance. If they split from Kansas Missouri will become even more irrelevant, if that's possible.

Talk about operating from a blatant position of weakness.

 

[stoops4pres]

Kiss your football program goodbye. You guys will get romped in that conference.

Hoops may do alright though.

Over the past 5 years they would've been just fine in the SEC in football.

But from here on out, I agree with you. Their program likely would slide should they move to the SEC, simply because they presumably wouldn't have as much success recruiting in Texas (a key ingredient that's helped Pinkel build this program).

 

[stoops4pres]

Hoops they will be fine...SEC West is the worst bball conference in the country.

True.

 

[skyvue]

Over the past 5 years they would've been just fine in the SEC in football.

Depends upon one's definition of "fine."

 

[WTSooner]

Over the past 5 years they would've been just fine in the SEC in football.

If 3rd place in the West Division of the SEC is fine, maybe. No way they'd have finished above Bama or LSU, and probably behind at least one of Auburn/Arkansas in some of those years.

 

[stoops4pres]

If 3rd place in the West Division of the SEC is fine, maybe. No way they'd have finished above Bama or LSU, and probably behind at least one of Auburn/Arkansas in some of those years.

I wasn't implying they would win the West every year or anything like that, I just simply disagreed with your statement; over the last half-decade they probably wouldn't get "romped". Maybe it's a matter of semantics, but I consider a team that gets "romped" to be a consistent bottom-dweller of the league, like a Mississippi State.

And considering how tough the West usually is, I would think a 3rd place finish would typically indicate the legitimacy of that team. Mizzou was good enough to finish in the upper-half of the division every season except for 2009 and probably 2006. And they were good enough to win the division in 2007 when they finished in the Top 5 in both polls.

 

[stoops4pres]

Depends upon one's definition of "fine."

Over the last 5 seasons:

5 bowl appearances in 5 years

Top 5 finish in 2007

Top 20 finish in 2008

Top 20 finish in 2010

You may disagree, but I think that's a program that would have been fine in any league over the last 5 seasons.

 

[bocabull]

I have to give Missouri credit. When all is said and done joining the SEC with A&M is the best possible outcome for them. Annual rivalries with A&M, Arkansas & LSU will help recruiting.

Poor Kansas. Left all alone. Ha ha.

 

[WTSooner]

Over the last 5 seasons:

5 bowl appearances in 5 years

Top 5 finish in 2007

Top 20 finish in 2008

Top 20 finish in 2010

You may disagree, but I think that's a program that would have been fine in any league over the last 5 seasons.

And you realize end of the season rankings have as much to do with schedule, as how good a team really is? Put Mizzou in the SEC, and they don't accomplish any of the things you listed above.

 

[skyvue]

Over the last 5 seasons:
5 bowl appearances in 5 years
Top 5 finish in 2007
Top 20 finish in 2008
Top 20 finish in 2010

You may disagree, but I think that's a program that would have been fine in any league over the last 5 seasons.

I understand your point, but I don't rate those accomplishments as highly as you do. Especially given that MU benefited from being in a weak division.

If you're not in a bowl game in a given season, you're a bad team. Lousy. A program could go 6-5 five years in a row and be in five straight bowl games. None of those five bowl games were BCS bowls. The Cotton was the best of the bunch.

The SEC has several teams that are or recently have been legitimate national title contenders. Mizzou hasn't come close to being that. They only won the Big 12 North once in those five years, and we smoked them in the Big 12 Championship.

They've beaten Bob Stoops exactly once in his tenure at OU.

Sorry, that's not "fine," in my book. That's above average, middling. It's oswho territory, and like oswho fans, Mizzou fans make a practice of claiming status and stature their team has not come close to actually earning.

 

[stoops4pres]

And you realize end of the season rankings have as much to do with schedule, as how good a team really is? Put Mizzou in the SEC, and they don't accomplish any of the things you listed above.

I've presented stats debunking the dubious claim that "the SEC is drastically better than the Big 12" before on this board. Recently, in fact. So I'll abstain from continuing that argument for now.

Simply put, one being unquestionably positive that Mizzou doesn't reach some of the same pinnacles in the SEC as they did in the Big 12 is an off-base way to approach this debate, IMO. I'm not saying Mizzou definitely would have had the same success, but it certainly would've been plausible. Especially when you consider the year Mizzou finished in the Top 5, they absolutely crushed Arkansas in their bowl game. And that was the same Arkansas team who's previous game was a win at LSU (the SEC West champs that season).

 

[stoops4pres]

I understand your point, but I don't rate those accomplishments as highly as you do. Especially given that MU benefited from being in a weak division.

If you're not in a bowl game in a given season, you're a bad team. Lousy. A program could go 6-5 five years in a row and be in five straight bowl games. None of those five bowl games were BCS bowls. The Cotton was the best of the bunch.

The SEC has several teams that are or recently have been legitimate national title contenders. Mizzou hasn't come close to being that. They only won the Big 12 North once in those five years, and we smoked them in the Big 12 Championship.

They've beaten Bob Stoops exactly once in his tenure at OU.

Sorry, that's not "fine," in my book. That's above average, middling. It's oswho territory, and like oswho fans, Mizzou fans make a practice of claiming status and stature their team has not come close to actually earning.

In 2007 they were ranked #1 in the BCS the very last week of the season. Had they won vs. OU in the Big 12 Championship, they would've gone to New Orleans to play for the National Championship. I consider that being close to a "legitimate national title contender".

Nevertheless, I understand where you're coming from. I'll agree to disagree about what constitutes as a "fine" program. Two Top 20 finishes and a Top 5 finish in 5 seasons is pretty solid to me, but I understand your perspective.

 

[skyvue]

In 2007 they were ranked #1 in the BCS the very last week of the season. Had they won vs. OU in the Big 12 Championship, they would've gone to New Orleans to play for the National Championship. I consider that being close to a "legitimate national title contender".

Nevertheless, I understand where you're coming from. I'll agree to disagree about what constitutes as a "fine" program. Two Top 20 finishes and a Top 5 finish in 5 seasons is pretty solid to me, but I understand your perspective.

Had Mizzou given us a game in that Big 12 title game, I'd agree with you. That just supports my point about them -- the biggest game in their history (arguably, at least), and they got smoked.

I'll consider them a fine program when they're winning that kind of game and when they're beating the top programs with some regularity. It's the same problem I have with the props oswho has been getting of late. The aggies have beaten virtually no one, including us, and the semi-impressive wins they do have are virtually all at home.

 

[skyvue]

(I'll stop talking football now -- sorry!)

 

[stoops4pres]

Had Mizzou given us a game in that Big 12 title game, I'd agree with you. That just supports my point about them -- the biggest game in their history (arguably, at least), and they got smoked.

All due respect, but what exactly bolsters your stance about Mizzou based off the fact that they were 1 game away from playing for a National Title? A #1 ranking the last week of the season and missing the biggest stage of the season by one game proves they have been in serious National Title contention over that time span, which was something you claimed had not happened.

I think a Top 5 finish and two Top 20 finishes in a 5 year span constitutes as a "fine" program throughout that time frame. How many other programs in the FBS can say they've done the same? I'm willing to bet the list is small.

I'll consider them a fine program when they're winning that kind of game and when they're beating the top programs with some regularity. It's the same problem I have with the props oswho has been getting of late. The aggies have beaten virtually no one, including us, and the semi-impressive wins they do have are virtually all at home.

Fair enough. We clearly have a different point of view regarding this particular issue, but I understand where you're coming from. Quibbling over semantics aside, I think Mizzou's success over the latter half of the decade suggests a fair contention that they wouldn't get "romped" if they went to the SEC, which was the point I initially tried to convey.

My opinion, I think the reason they would regress a little bit should they be in the SEC is because they would presumably lose their Texas pipeline that has served them well throughout the years, much more than an upgrade in schedule strength. If they somehow kept their Texas ties, I think they could still be a competitive team in the league based off of their success over the latter portion of the decade. It certainly indicates a fair point that they likely wouldn't get "romped", now or over the last several seasons.