Reseeding the Final Four

[OUhoops11]

Dick Vitale is so horrified that his beloved Dookies will lose to West Virginia in the semis that he is pleading to anyone who will listen that the Final Four needs to be reseeded. In his opinion, the national championship game will be played in that round between Duke and WV. I guess Michigan State and Butler are automatic wins...


Horrible argument on many levels IMO.

 

[playmakr]

Dick Vitale is so horrified that his beloved Dookies will lose to West Virginia in the semis that he is pleading to anyone who will listen that the Final Four needs to be reseeded. In his opinion, the national championship game will be played in that round between Duke and WV. I guess Michigan State and Butler are automatic wins...


Horrible argument on many levels IMO.

Michigan State and Butler are both just as good as West Virginia. With Lucas, they are better than both and Duke. Don't come with "but they struggled with so and so and lost to so and so." Izzo holds back for March.

Butler has two pro's on their team, there is no talent discrepancy.

 

[NickZepp]

There's not enough of a difference between the 4 teams to reseed. Butler may be the best team right now.

 

[Sooner Quick]

He hasn't been given the name Dukie V for nothing.

Even if what he was saying is true I still don't agree with reseeding.

 

[Mr.B!!!]

I want MSU to win. Just me personally.

 

[qwertyqaz]

the way he was all over coach k's jock in the postgame was truly nauseating..that bit about how everyone is jealous of Duke, how they're the team that does things "the right way?" dude should just stfu.

 

[red recluse]

f him. can't think of a better, more fascinating or intriguing matchup than the msu-butler game. not to mention how much reseeding would screw with filling out a bracket.

he better be citing other years where the final four could have been better if it had been reseeded. if he's not, he sounds like a whining, biased fool.

 

[OUgrad00]

He says the same crap every year

 

[Crimson King]

This has been a Dookie V theme for about a decade now. We are so lucky Kentucky got beat....he would have gone on a hunger strike had Duke and UK had to play in a semi.

Unfortunately, I'm afraid the NCAA's emphasis on "seeding within seeds" was at least partially influenced by Vitale's rants. Reseeding would screw up every bracket contest. Quit messing with this event!

 

[hoopsaustin]

People listen to that moron? Hearin his voice makes me want to kick a baby

 

[buttermaker1]

Butler might be playing the best ball.

 

[JHop71]

the way he was all over coach k's jock in the postgame was truly nauseating..that bit about how everyone is jealous of Duke, how they're the team that does things "the right way?" dude should just stfu.

Hard to argue with that while reading this board the last few weeks. Vitale says this every year BTW, even when Duke isn't in the Final Four. I'm a Duke fan and can't stand DV, and most other Duke fans I know don't like him either.

 

[qwertyqaz]

Hard to argue with that while reading this board the last few weeks. Vitale says this every year BTW, even when Duke isn't in the Final Four. I'm a Duke fan and can't stand DV, and most other Duke fans I know don't like him either.

it's not just that isolated fact--of course many people are jealous of Duke (but that's a non-unique argument, because a lot of basketball fans are jealous of a LOT of other programs too). It was the totality and the TONE of his love-fest--basically stating that everyone should love Duke and that anyone who is not a fan of the program has a defect of some kind.

 

[JHop71]

it's not just that isolated fact--of course many people are jealous of Duke (but that's a non-unique argument, because a lot of basketball fans are jealous of a LOT of other programs too). It was the totality and the TONE of his love-fest--basically stating that everyone should love Duke and that anyone who is not a fan of the program has a defect of some kind.

I understand, he's a fan and doesn't leave it out of the broadcasting booth. It's unprofessional and (even as a Duke fan) hard to listen to. To be fair, one of the reasons he goes on about Coach K is because K is (arguably) the best coach in the college game and has built one of the strongest programs in America. If we had 24-hour sports coverage in the 60's, we would have all been sick of how cool sportscasters thought John Wooden was. I was not trying to defend Dicky V, just pointing out that he says this every year and it is not necessarily connected to Duke. However, every thread on this board lately has come back to the fact that people hate Duke and think there is some conspiracy to get them in the title game every year.

 

[209sooner]

The four teams this year are about even. That being said, reseeding is a horrible idea. Why not reseed every round to account for upsets? Some teams have easier paths to the title than others. That is the nature of tournaments. The Final Four is not a separate tournament from the first four rounds. Why people even debate this is a mystery to me.

 

[OUMcP]

What is so worthless about the reseeding argument, is how people want to pretend like the last two weeks didnt happen. People want to look at the seeds out next to the teams name (decided 3 weeks ago), and use that as the reseeding tool. Well if we are going to reseed it only seems fair that we should look at what the teams have done in the tournament. Usually the lower seeded teams that reach the final four have done more and had more impressive wins. Case in Point: Butler who has beaten 1 seed Syracuse and 2 seed Kansas State; along with WVU who has beaten 1 seed Kentucky; should probably be the top 2 seeds in the reseeded final four, anyway.

Duke's reward for being a #1 seed is an easy path to the Final Four, not an easy path in the Final Four. Why should a team like Butler be punished after clearing out the top seeds in the bracket because of the seed by their name, decided behind closed doors 3 weeks ago. Any argument for reseeding must throw out the seed numbers, and start-over based on what the teams have added to their resumes in the tournament.