Why does it feel like you are having a conversation with yourself? Geno, did you log on with 3 accounts to build "grassroots support"? :lol
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Why does it feel like you are having a conversation with yourself? Geno, did you log on with 3 accounts to build "grassroots support"? :lol
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I just got this tweet from the person who mentioned this last night. If Joe thinks Geno can get the job done then he will have my support. I just want OU basketball back in it's rightful place not only in the Big 12 but nationally as well.
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I would love for us to hire Auriemmo, though I can't imagine he would take the job. Bottom line is that, while you guys are talking as if we are too good to stoop to hire him, the truth is that he is probably way too good for our program.
No way a guy who knows that much about succeeding in women's basketball would be totally incapable of knowing anything about men's basketball. It's not like he's a lacrosse coach. It's the same sport, with minor differences. You guys act like a coach knows only very specific sets, plays, defensive principles, etc. and that is what makes him successful. No, he developed those particular Xs and Os because he is able to see what works and what doesn't and to alter his schemes accordingly. He'd do the exact same as a men's coach.
Would I like us to hire a guy who has built a program more dominant than any since Wooden's? Um, yes. A guy whose hiring would be huge news all across the sports world? Who would immediately put OU bball on every front page and every sports talk station in America? He!! yes.
No way a guy who knows that much about succeeding in women's basketball would be totally incapable of knowing anything about men's basketball. It's not like he's a lacrosse coach. It's the same sport, with minor differences. You guys act like a coach knows only very specific sets, plays, defensive principles, etc. and that is what makes him successful. No, he developed those particular Xs and Os because he is able to see what works and what doesn't and to alter his schemes accordingly. He'd do the exact same as a men's coach.
Would I like us to hire a guy who has built a program more dominant than any since Wooden's? Um, yes. A guy whose hiring would be huge news all across the sports world? Who would immediately put OU bball on every front page and every sports talk station in America? He!! yes.
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I'm glad you posted this, seniorsooner. Geno is the kind of guy who enjoys a challenge, so I'm not surprised that he has given some serious consideration to coaching at the men's level. I just can't see him doing it at this point in his career, and certainly not a world apart from a comfortable environment where he is well known and respected.
I stand by the points I made earlier. But if Geno proves me wrong, be sure to remind me about that post. Like you would let me forget it? :ez-laugh:
Five years ago, given his track record of hires, Joe C could have taken a gamble on Geno.
After the Capel hire, he cannot.
Geno may be able to coach the men's game. But hiring him could also turn out to be train wreck disaster. Joe needs a sure-fire hire this time.
Plus I can already hear Rick Barnes sneering to a recruit "What, you wanna go to OU and play for a girls' coach?"
After the Capel hire, he cannot.
Geno may be able to coach the men's game. But hiring him could also turn out to be train wreck disaster. Joe needs a sure-fire hire this time.
Plus I can already hear Rick Barnes sneering to a recruit "What, you wanna go to OU and play for a girls' coach?"
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I was going to say that he mentioned, himself, that coaching men would be a challenge he would like to try......give a guy like Geno a men's job he wants and let him approach it as a personal challenge and see what he does with it.
All that being said, he isn't really my first choice but I would have no problem at all with Joe C. hiring him. Honestly, I don't have my own personal preference above everyone else but Geno would be in my top 5 I think.
and whoever said Geno would probably be a top 15 coach...I actually agree with that. He is, by far, the best women's coach today (no offense to Coach Coale bacause I think she is awesome...but he is obviously head and shoulders above everyone)....the only thing that could hold him back is recruiting (the X's and O's are not even a part of the equaition...he has nothing to prove there)....and I honestly think he would have an easier time than you think convincing guys to come to OU. It would still take a while to build (3-4 years at least) to a high level. Would he dominate the mens game like he has the womens game? I doubt it....but what would you give to see it happen?
All that being said, he isn't really my first choice but I would have no problem at all with Joe C. hiring him. Honestly, I don't have my own personal preference above everyone else but Geno would be in my top 5 I think.
and whoever said Geno would probably be a top 15 coach...I actually agree with that. He is, by far, the best women's coach today (no offense to Coach Coale bacause I think she is awesome...but he is obviously head and shoulders above everyone)....the only thing that could hold him back is recruiting (the X's and O's are not even a part of the equaition...he has nothing to prove there)....and I honestly think he would have an easier time than you think convincing guys to come to OU. It would still take a while to build (3-4 years at least) to a high level. Would he dominate the mens game like he has the womens game? I doubt it....but what would you give to see it happen?
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there is no such thing...
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I think this would be a great hire for a couple reasons:
1. It would draw an incredible amount of interest to the program, admittedly some negative but probably a lot of positive. Everyone acts like recruits and boosters will be turned off by hiring a "girl's coach". Why?? Maybe some with an incredibly narrow worldview, but I think most will immediately say, "you know what, this guy can win. He's proven that. If I play for him, I might get a chance to do something that's never been done before, plus I'll be playing for a hall of famer." I bolded the last part because what other serious candidates would allow OU recruits to say that?
And Geno is smart enough to say, "What, you wanna go to Texas and play for a coach who hasn't got a team to the Final Four and who's teams always choke?" and then flash his 7 rings. If that happened to me, I'd say, "Okay coach, where do I sign?"
2. All the people hating on him for being a "girl's coach" is one thing that has been eating away at him:
I think he would just use the haters as extra motivation.
3. Honestly, could it get much worse? Do you really think Geno would torpedo the program? Oh wait, it already has been. The OU roster is devoid of elite talent (sorry, but it's true). We lost to Chaminade. Let that sink in. Yes, we are a program with history, but we've hit about as rock bottom as a team in a major conference can get (12-14 win territory).
4. Everyone, and I do mean everyone, will be talking about OU basketball. Everyone. Which is a change from basically nobody. We would be back on the national radar screen instantly.
5. It seems like Geno wants to make the jump to the men's game. I think it'll happen in the next few years. He's proven everything he needs to in the women's game. We just happen to have a coaching vacancy right now.
What will those of you who don't want Geno now say if a decade from now he's turned an average team into one that's won two championships and makes the tournament routinely?
Do we honestly have anything to lose at this point? Hello, our men's program is a joke right now!
Wake up and provide a real reason to be hating on Geno, not the fact that he coaches women's ball. That's incredibly stupid and not giving credit where credit is due.
1. It would draw an incredible amount of interest to the program, admittedly some negative but probably a lot of positive. Everyone acts like recruits and boosters will be turned off by hiring a "girl's coach". Why?? Maybe some with an incredibly narrow worldview, but I think most will immediately say, "you know what, this guy can win. He's proven that. If I play for him, I might get a chance to do something that's never been done before, plus I'll be playing for a hall of famer." I bolded the last part because what other serious candidates would allow OU recruits to say that?
And Geno is smart enough to say, "What, you wanna go to Texas and play for a coach who hasn't got a team to the Final Four and who's teams always choke?" and then flash his 7 rings. If that happened to me, I'd say, "Okay coach, where do I sign?"
2. All the people hating on him for being a "girl's coach" is one thing that has been eating away at him:
I think he would just use the haters as extra motivation.
3. Honestly, could it get much worse? Do you really think Geno would torpedo the program? Oh wait, it already has been. The OU roster is devoid of elite talent (sorry, but it's true). We lost to Chaminade. Let that sink in. Yes, we are a program with history, but we've hit about as rock bottom as a team in a major conference can get (12-14 win territory).
4. Everyone, and I do mean everyone, will be talking about OU basketball. Everyone. Which is a change from basically nobody. We would be back on the national radar screen instantly.
5. It seems like Geno wants to make the jump to the men's game. I think it'll happen in the next few years. He's proven everything he needs to in the women's game. We just happen to have a coaching vacancy right now.
What will those of you who don't want Geno now say if a decade from now he's turned an average team into one that's won two championships and makes the tournament routinely?
Do we honestly have anything to lose at this point? Hello, our men's program is a joke right now!
Wake up and provide a real reason to be hating on Geno, not the fact that he coaches women's ball. That's incredibly stupid and not giving credit where credit is due.
True. Less risky hire is a better way to put it.
That would be nice but those truths don't seem to be hurting his recruiting classes now.
Recruits know names like Pitino, Self, K, Cal, etc...not Auriemma. I don't think the fact he is a hall of famer or won all the womens ships would have any significant impact on any upcoming recruits. Some recruits would know him since ESPN shoves women's hoops down our throats, but other than that...
Geno has the same amount of D1 men experience as Evans, which isn't that Evans biggest knock? Not to mention, I presume Geno doesn't have any high school coaching coaching connections on this side, nor really any real ties to the region. I wouldn't endorse Evans at this point either, but I'd rather have him than Geno.
Geno would be a risk. For me, Geno is low, low on my list.
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Looking at recruiting classes is a flawed way to judge programs and success in college sports in general. We found that out the hard way when we had THREE McDonald's All Americans on the roster and only won 13 games.
Again, Barnes may get elite recruits, but has he produced ultimate success? No.
I'm not saying Geno would get a Top 5 recruit instantly, but he would do a lot better than picking off JUCO rosters too.
Every time people drool all over recruits, I always scoff and say, "Let's wait to see how they fit with the rest of their teammates." Sometimes it works great, other times not so much.
What other coaching candidate out there would have a distinct and obvious recruiting advantage over Geno? I can't name one. This also ignores the fact that Geno wouldn't be the only one recruiting - as you have to account for assistant coaches and so forth. I'm sure Geno knows some guys who can recruit in the men's ranks. The guy has to have a million connections.
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Everyone knows UCONN's women's basketball. Anyone who knows about basketball does. They won 89 straight games. I guarantee you that at LEAST 75% of high school recruits know that, probably more.
He doesn't have to. He just has to surround himself with people that do. He's not a stupid man.
I honestly never thought I'd be the one to stick up for Geno Auriemma LOL
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Like Pistachio Desguise says...."its so crazy, it might just work!"
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I haven't watched the video in awhile, but I think he did state in it that he would be less inclined to take that jump now than he was then.
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Guys, Joe C is not going to hire Geno. You have to be able to seperate the wheat from the chaff with this stuff, and this tweet from the OU club of Colorado or whatever doesn't come close to passing the smell test. A lot has changed in the last five years, namely the state of the OU program. The luxury of taking a risk on a guy like Geno is long gone.
Furthermore, last time around Kelvin didn't even leave until March 29th. The women's tournament didn't even start until today. Castiglione isn't going to wait around for three weeks to see if Geno will take the job.
That said, I think it's crazy for anyone to say he couldn't do a good job here or somewhere else. Women and men are not so fundamentally different that an intelligent person couldn't coach both or relate to both. People go from the men's game to the women's all the time with success and there's no reason they couldn't go the other way.
Furthermore, last time around Kelvin didn't even leave until March 29th. The women's tournament didn't even start until today. Castiglione isn't going to wait around for three weeks to see if Geno will take the job.
That said, I think it's crazy for anyone to say he couldn't do a good job here or somewhere else. Women and men are not so fundamentally different that an intelligent person couldn't coach both or relate to both. People go from the men's game to the women's all the time with success and there's no reason they couldn't go the other way.
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Considering he has stated publicly that he had decided to accept the OU job back in 06 but was then talked out of it by his daughter, I'm not sure it's accurate to say there is "no way" he would leave.
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Bigger Negative: inexperience or baggage or women's coach?
I know we've probably all looked back and wondered if Capel was ready for the jump from VCU to OU. But wouldn't baggage (BCG's DUIs, Pearl's NCAA trouble, etc) be a bigger strike against a candidate than inexperience? After phonegate and Tinygate I would say yes.
In theory, as long as a baggage candidate could keep his nose clean it shouldn't matter. But, rightly or wrongly, I'd always worry about them falling off the wagon. Two tenure's of NCAA trouble is enough. I'd rather take the "caesar's wife" approach and avoid baggage altogether and go with Pastner or Buzz. Besides, it fits Joe C's MO of choosing up-and-comer types.
You could also ask what qualifies as "baggage". Seems like some posters would say Geno A. has baggage, just because he comes from a women's program. To me, he falls in the inexperience category in that he hasn't coached men at the D1 level (to my knowledge, maybe way back). But the guy can coach and I think a lot of high school recruits today wouldn't really care. And wouldn't you say GA @ UCONN has faced more pressure and delivered more than someone like Jones @ UNT?
Has GA ever seriously been considered by Joe C. as a viable option (despite rumor and Guerin Emig tweets)? I have no idea. And GA wouldn't be my first choice. Not that GA is over the hill, I just really like the energy that younger coaches bring with them. Plus, Buzz and Pastner know the area and have many positives besides their age. But for GA: all those championships, the All-Americas and the focus his teams always have - it has to count for something. I think the coaching skills that deliver that kind of performance are translatable to the D1 men's game. If Joe C. were to pull the trigger on Geno, I'd be more intrigued about OU men's hoops next 5 years than any other choice he could make.
I know we've probably all looked back and wondered if Capel was ready for the jump from VCU to OU. But wouldn't baggage (BCG's DUIs, Pearl's NCAA trouble, etc) be a bigger strike against a candidate than inexperience? After phonegate and Tinygate I would say yes.
In theory, as long as a baggage candidate could keep his nose clean it shouldn't matter. But, rightly or wrongly, I'd always worry about them falling off the wagon. Two tenure's of NCAA trouble is enough. I'd rather take the "caesar's wife" approach and avoid baggage altogether and go with Pastner or Buzz. Besides, it fits Joe C's MO of choosing up-and-comer types.
You could also ask what qualifies as "baggage". Seems like some posters would say Geno A. has baggage, just because he comes from a women's program. To me, he falls in the inexperience category in that he hasn't coached men at the D1 level (to my knowledge, maybe way back). But the guy can coach and I think a lot of high school recruits today wouldn't really care. And wouldn't you say GA @ UCONN has faced more pressure and delivered more than someone like Jones @ UNT?
Has GA ever seriously been considered by Joe C. as a viable option (despite rumor and Guerin Emig tweets)? I have no idea. And GA wouldn't be my first choice. Not that GA is over the hill, I just really like the energy that younger coaches bring with them. Plus, Buzz and Pastner know the area and have many positives besides their age. But for GA: all those championships, the All-Americas and the focus his teams always have - it has to count for something. I think the coaching skills that deliver that kind of performance are translatable to the D1 men's game. If Joe C. were to pull the trigger on Geno, I'd be more intrigued about OU men's hoops next 5 years than any other choice he could make.
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