Selection Sunday with reactions

[WTSooner]

I think they'll be in, in large part due to last year's success and their preseason hype this year (which skews some of their metrics IMO), but I don't know how you could say they definitely belong in.


The AAC should be a one-bid league....like the Missouri Valley will be (most likely as I don't think Indiana State will get in). I said it previously, a lot was due to Memphis stinking up the joint. If they would have played up to expectations, they would be closer to the A10.

Their NET is better than ours.

Their record is better than ours.

Their record/winning percentage against Q1, or specifically, NCAA Tournament teams, is better than ours.

Their best win is better than ours (2 seed neutral vs 2 seed at home).

I don't get the emphasis on Q2-4 losses. Again, I don't care how bad your team can play, I care about how good it can play. FAU has a much better shot at advancing in this tournament than OU does, based on the results of the season.

 

[WTSooner]

I also wouldn't leave Indiana State out. I absolutely hate punishing teams like that that don't win their conference tourney.

My argument for them is less about who they beat or didn't, and more about rewarding a team that had a fantastic season. I'd almost always rather see a team like them get in giving their conference two teams, than watching teams like OU and aTm get in. Heck, I'd like to see a rule that if you can't finish in the top 50% of your conference you don't get in.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Lol this isn’t even an OU board anymore.
So many posters going out of their ways for some reason ti discredit OU any way possible while blindly crediting other teams. Pathetic really

 

[AnotherSoonerInTX]

And even more specifically, play teams that are more regional like UTA, Tarleton State, Wichita State, Tulsa, and Arkansas State. That's the type of scheduling that could potentially really improve our NET next year.

That's what OU baseball does: play regional teams for the budget, but also to help with power rankings. Those midweek games against Wichita State, ORU, UTA, and Dallas Baptist don't hurt, but help.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

I really don’t see how any unbiased basketball fan can looks at FAus results and think they are more impressive than OUs.

You give OU that schedule and we are a too 25 team

 

[WTSooner]

Me - Lists a bunch of facts and reasons why other teams should be above us.

Some knucklehead - "blah, blah.....blindly crediting.....blah, blah."

I literally took time to research the why and post here, but okay. Take off your crimson colored glasses every once in a while and join us in reality.

 

[OUSKINS]

Lol this isn’t even an OU board anymore.
So many posters going out of their ways for some reason ti discredit OU any way possible while blindly crediting other teams. Pathetic really

I think these are valid arguments and something that arises every year around this time in discussion about P5 schools v mid majors.

OU did nothing impressive this year. They also did nothing negative. They played a very difficult conf schedule, lost almost every game to conf opponents likely to make tourney, and avoided any bad losses to hang around the middle of conf. They had a very good OOC record but maybe got some bad luck in that those opponents mostly wound up being bad or disappointing.

OU resume is very meh. It comes down to a philosophical debate on whether or not being meh in a good conf is more impressive than being good in a meh conference.

 

[TEvans4Three]

Their NET is better than ours.

Their record is better than ours.

Their record/winning percentage against Q1, or specifically, NCAA Tournament teams, is better than ours.

Their best win is better than ours (2 seed neutral vs 2 seed at home).

I don't get the emphasis on Q2-4 losses. Again, I don't care how bad your team can play, I care about how good it can play. FAU has a much better shot at advancing in this tournament than OU does, based on the results of the season.

They played 3 teams in the KenPom top50. OU played 15. FAU SOS is 93, OU is 36.

FAU has 5 dogs*** losses that I can assure you, if OU had, you would be fine with us not getting in. 5 against kenpom 100+ level teams. If OU had those same losses vs OSU, you would say we don't deserve to be in.

To put that in perspective, that would be losses against Arkansas, west virginia, Monmouth, and Oklahoma state twice.

FAU is 2 spots ahead of OU in kenpom. They are a solid offensive team. But to say you don't look at losses and only wins is interesting.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

I think these are valid arguments and something that arises every year around this time in discussion about P5 schools v mid majors.

OU did nothing impressive this year. They also did nothing negative. They played a very difficult conf schedule, lost almost every game to conf opponents likely to make tourney, and avoided any bad losses to hang around the middle of conf. They had a very good OOC record but maybe got some bad luck in that those opponents mostly wound up being bad or disappointing.

OU resume is very meh. It comes down to a philosophical debate on whether or not being meh in a good conf is more impressive than being good in a meh conference.

That’s not even a debate. Being meh in a good conference is much better than being good in a meh conference

 

[WTSooner]

They played 3 teams in the KenPom top50. OU played 15. FAU SOS is 93, OU is 36.

FAU has 5 dogs*** losses that I can assure you, if OU had, you would be fine with us not getting in. 5 against kenpom 100+ level teams. If OU had those same losses vs OSU, you would say we don't deserve to be in.

To put that in perspective, that would be losses against Arkansas, west virginia, Monmouth, and Oklahoma state twice.

FAU is 2 spots ahead of OU in kenpom. They are a solid offensive team. But to say you don't look at losses and only wins is interesting.

This is why I don't debate with you. You just use whatever fact/rating helps your argument.

You've been NET this and NET that all week. Now when OU is about 7 spots back of a team in NET, it's nowhere in your vocabulary.

And being 2 spots ahead of OU on Ken Pom is still being 2 spots ahead of OU on Ken Pom. It's still ahead. In front. More deserving.

 

[TEvans4Three]

OUs 5 best wins:

5 Iowa st
16 BYU
37 Cincy (2)
52 Iowa

Fau 5 best wins:

6 Arizona
44 Texas A&M
57 VA Tech
67 Butler
71 SMU

So I wouldn't say they have better wins per se. Maybe if we just look at the top win, sure.

 

[WTSooner]

OUs 5 best wins:

5 Iowa st
16 BYU
37 Cincy (2)
52 Iowa

Fau 5 best wins:

6 Arizona
44 Texas A&M
57 VA Tech
67 Butler
71 SMU

So I wouldn't say they have better wins per se. Maybe if we just look at the top win, sure.

Now add the location of those games.

Factoid - NCAA Tournament games are not played on home courts.

 

[TEvans4Three]

This is why I don't debate with you. You just use whatever fact/rating helps your argument.

You've been NET this and NET that all week. Now when OU is about 7 spots back of a team in NET, it's nowhere in your vocabulary.

And being 2 spots ahead of OU on Ken Pom is still being 2 spots ahead of OU on Ken Pom. It's still ahead. In front. More deserving.

You randomly used seedings and not NET. Goalposts much?

OU 5 best wins and losses by NET:

6 Iowa State (H)
12 BYU (H)
37 Cincy (H)
37 Cincy (A)
57 Providence (N)

FAU 5 best wins:

4 Arizona (N)
45 Texas A&M (N)
60 Va Tech (N)
65 SMU (H)
75 Memphis (H)

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OU 5 worst losses:

61 UCF (A)
42 TCU (A)
42 TCU (H)
30 Texas (H)
28 Texas Tech (H)

FAU 5 worst losses:

246 FGCC (A)
187 Temple (N)
164 Bryant (H)
114 Charlotte (A)
105 UAB (A)

Is that better?

 

[StoopsBros]

I really don’t see how any unbiased basketball fan can looks at FAus results and think they are more impressive than OUs.

You give OU that schedule and we are a too 25 team

My hypothetical would be this...

How would this year's OU team fare in the AAC?

How would this year's FAU team fare in the Big 12?

OU would likely win the AAC. Where would FAU be? I would guess middle-to-bottom of the B12.

You can't use hypotheticals so it's whatever...my eyes tell me this year's FAU team isn't that good (probably watched 8-10 FAU games). If it weren't for their success last year, and their subsequent over-ranking this year, they'd be out.

 

[TEvans4Three]

Now add the location of those games.

Factoid - NCAA Tournament games are not played on home courts.

Does FAU having none of their top 5 wins on the road help?

 

[thebigabd]

Lunardi has OU as the last team in. The bottom line is OU is not guaranteed a spot, but I am excited to see what happens.

 

[WTSooner]

Does FAU having none of their top 5 wins on the road help?

You want to exclude neutral site games in an argument over who should make the NCAA Tournament, which, by the way.....wait for it, is played at neutral site locations?

lol

 

[SoonerBounce13]

This is why I don't debate with you. You just use whatever fact/rating helps your argument.

You've been NET this and NET that all week. Now when OU is about 7 spots back of a team in NET, it's nowhere in your vocabulary.

And being 2 spots ahead of OU on Ken Pom is still being 2 spots ahead of OU on Ken Pom. It's still ahead. In front. More deserving.

How ironic

 

[WaymanFan]

Lol this isn’t even an OU board anymore.
So many posters going out of their ways for some reason ti discredit OU any way possible while blindly crediting other teams. Pathetic really

Yup. That's what I liked the most about November and December. OU was winning and those posters were never around. To me, a poster has no credibility if he / she will only post when we're losing. I don't have anyone on "ignore", but I make a point of not taking anyone seriously unless they post win or lose.

 

[TEvans4Three]

You want to exclude neutral site games in an argument at who should make the NCAA Tournament, which, by the way.....wait for it, is played at neutral site locations?

lol

What are you saying? I included them. You are missing the point. Quit deflecting every time I point out facts to you.

You are trying to argue where the games are played as to some advantage. Do you want me to discount or not include any home wins in any debate? OU also has a mix of away and neutral wins against opponents, it is shown above.

Simple question: Do you contend that OU's 5 wins and 5 losses are better than FAU's?