Shake to smu

[brettromar]

Come on, we don't know.

The kid wants to play pg. OU has a really good pg that would only be a junior when Shake got to school. I don't know SMU's exact roster situation, but they were planning on playing Mudiaye(sp) at pg this year. I doubt they found a replacement for him, so pg is probably wide open. Larry Brown doesn't have to promise Shake the starting job, for Shake to see that the starting job is likely his.

Shake believes brown can get him to the NbA. That was the deciding factor for him. He is a great young man and made his choice. Do I agree with it? No but I hope he does well there.

I really was hoping he would go to Ou even though he made me look smart telling everyone this summer that SMU was the biggest threat to Ou.

 

[skyvue]

Shake believes brown can get him to the NbA. That was the deciding factor for him. He is a great young man and made his choice. Do I agree with it? No but I hope he does well there.

Given Brown's peripatetic nature, Shake will be lucky if he's still there next fall.

 

[Sooner04]

Wow.. killer

Hardly. We will be just fine. Few things are more over analyzed, and meaningless, than recruiting rankings.

 

[hoopsaustin]

Kruger analyzed him and wanted him pretty bad... spin it if you must.. this sucks

 

[KBaden145]

Anyone know who the next one might be? Very disappointing result...


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I completely forgot about Rashard Odomes, our other commit. He fits the profile of Kruger guards. Coach, I assume we are looking to add another?


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[bgrch1350]

Who cares about where this kid was ranked? What matters is Lon and the staff getting the right guys in and coaching them up. We didn't get Shake, oh well. Move on, and trust Lon.

How many times has Stoops pulled some under-recruited 2 or 3 star kid out of Texas right under UT's nose and within a few years, they're starting for OU as UT continues to flounder?

You can not compare football recruits to basketball recruits. Its totally different.

Kids in basketball could go straight to the NBA from high school and play right away while not one high school player could go straight to the NFL and play.

 

[bgrch1350]

Kruger analyzed him and wanted him pretty bad... spin it if you must.. this sucks

Very true.

 

[WTSooner]

This loss doesn't kill our program, or put us way behind anybody that we weren't already behind in the conference. So I don't understand the doom and gloom posters.

But I also don't understand those that simply blow it off as not a big deal, and suggest a late found prospect like Cousins or Booker will adequately replace Shake. One of the biggest problems we've had in recent years is not having that stud player. Hield is probably that player now, but with him potentially leaving, this was thought to be the class we'd find his replacement. But we missed on Trier. And Grandstaff. And now Shake. Those guys are a step above, or at least have the potential to be, a step above guys like Booker/Cousins.

Sure we can win a lot of games with guards that flew under the radar, and were developed by LK. But to take that next step.....to win the conference, or get back to the FF, we are going to need a few top 75 type guys, and those guys are going to have to pan out. So far we've been lead mostly by transfers and Buddy. We haven't signed a guy with Buddy's potential in a while, and those transfers aren't always going to be there.

 

[bgrch1350]

This loss doesn't kill our program, or put us way behind anybody that we weren't already behind in the conference. So I don't understand the doom and gloom posters.

But I also don't understand those that simply blow it off as not a big deal, and suggest a late found prospect like Cousins or Booker will adequately replace Shake. One of the biggest problems we've had in recent years is not having that stud player. Hield is probably that player now, but with him potentially leaving, this was thought to be the class we'd find his replacement. But we missed on Trier. And Grandstaff. And now Shake. Those guys are a step above, or at least have the potential to be, a step above guys like Booker/Cousins.

Sure we can win a lot of games with guards that flew under the radar, and were developed by LK. But to take that next step.....to win the conference, or get back to the FF, we are going to need a few top 75 type guys, and those guys are going to have to pan out. So far we've been lead mostly by transfers and Buddy. We haven't signed a guy with Buddy's potential in a while, and those transfers aren't always going to be there.

Our teams have been led by 4 star recruits since Kruger has taken over. First it was Pledger and Osby, then Clark and Hield. When 4 star recruits are our best players...then you have to be disappointed that we haven't landed one in 3 straight years(including upcoming year).

 

[campbest]

Shake made a decision which he thought was best for him, with no Mundiay around, the PG spot is WIDE open next year (Moore graduates). Whether or not Brown is the guy to get him to the NBA is yet to be seen, but it is a very attractive situation for any high schooler.

Also, Brown isn't going anywhere for a couple years...SMU basketball was the hottest ticket in DFW from January-March last year, was the "it" event to be at. Brown will get compensated to stay, especially with the June Jones departure and football in shambles.

 

[Sooner04]

Kruger analyzed him and wanted him pretty bad... spin it if you must.. this sucks

It's disappointing for sure. Lots of time spent on a potential asset that won't ever make it to campus, but definitely not a killer.

What I've seen now for three years is that Kruger will find good players, and he will form a plan of attack around those players that will give them the best chance to win ballgames. It's a much better strategy than putting all your eggs in one recruiting basket with no semblance of a backup plan. That was epidemic of the previous regime.

Shake would've been nice to have, but that ship sailed. We'll be fine.

I always enjoy learning more about the guys who want to be Sooners than the guys who ultimately wind up down the road.

 

[OUHoops]

It's disappointing for sure. Lots of time spent on a potential asset that won't ever make it to campus, but definitely not a killer.

What I've seen now for three years is that Kruger will find good players, and he will form a plan of attack around those players that will give them the best chance to win ballgames. It's a much better strategy than putting all your eggs in one recruiting basket with no semblance of a backup plan. That was epidemic of the previous regime.

Shake would've been nice to have, but that ship sailed. We'll be fine.

I always enjoy learning more about the guys who want to be Sooners than the guys who ultimately wind up down the road.

My thoughts exactly.

Let us also not forget about Rashard Odomes. He and Christian James would be a pretty impressive/athletic/versatile pair of wings for the future.

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[bgrch1350]

Shake made a decision which he thought was best for him, with no Mundiay around, the PG spot is WIDE open next year (Moore graduates). Whether or not Brown is the guy to get him to the NBA is yet to be seen, but it is a very attractive situation for any high schooler.

Also, Brown isn't going anywhere for a couple years...SMU basketball was the hottest ticket in DFW from January-March last year, was the "it" event to be at. Brown will get compensated to stay, especially with the June Jones departure and football in shambles.

1) Moore will be a SR next year. He will be the Starting PG.

2) Frazier will be a JR and He will be starting at SG.

 

[soonernutt]

Did they also promise Larry Brown will still be there in 2019?

Honestly, a player who isn't willing to earn his playing time disappoints me. He could be playing minutes from his home at a much more accomplished program and he opts instead for being a big fish in a small pond. Does he fear he wouldn't be getting enough minutes at OU?

I tend to agree with this. I understand when a guy doesn't want to go somewhere when his position is already crowded with talented players. But the "guaranteed starter" bit is silly to me.

Nobody is guaranteed a starting spot anywhere. Somebody better comes along, and you are out. That's life in the big city.

This is all speculative anyway, not so much a criticism of Shake. I don't know the whole story, and won't pretend that I do.

 

[NorthCarolinaSooner]

I tend to agree with this. I understand when a guy doesn't want to go somewhere when his position is already crowded with talented players. But the "guaranteed starter" bit is silly to me.

Nobody is guaranteed a starting spot anywhere. Somebody better comes along, and you are out. That's life in the big city.

This is all speculative anyway, not so much a criticism of Shake. I don't know the whole story, and won't pretend that I do.

soonernutt.....unfortunately there are quite a few coaches in America who DO make playing time/starting promises in order to get guys on campus....I know a few who do it. I would never do it....but it happens........it is part of the reason you see so many transfers every year across the country (obviously not the ONLY reason but one of them).

All the stuff I have read on here surprises me.....we have way too many guys who lose it when we don't get this guy or that.....Kruger has PROVEN time and again he can win at a pretty high level doing things his tried and true way. YES....we need to win some of these recruiting battles....and we will.....but Shake Melton is not an irreplaceable recruit....he is an extremely good player but he was choosing between IU, OU and SMU....he wasn't choosing between Duke, UNC and Kansas.....you guys need to temper your opinions and views on guys a little bit. I think you expectations of him WAY outclass his true ability. He could be a spectacular college player...and assuredly will be.......but relax and be patient.

 

[DenverSooner]

He was promised the team next year. Offense ran through him.

I wish these kids new promises like that are actually a bad thing because it suggests the coach will say anything to sign players. They should ask I wonder what he promised the other guys. I am sure I would not have been wise enough to realize this at 17 so I am not judging any of these kids.

 

[brettromar]

I wish these kids new promises like that are actually a bad thing because it suggests the coach will say anything to sign players. They should ask I wonder what he promised the other guys. I am sure I would not have been wise enough to realize this at 17 so I am not judging any of these kids.

That is not what Shake is telling people who would know.

He hasn't said anything about things promised to him.

He wants to be a pg in college and thinks brown can get him there.

 

[skyvue]

He wants to be a pg in college and thinks brown can get him there.

Had Kruger told him he couldn't play the point at OU?

 

[AdaSooner]

Had Kruger told him he couldn't play the point at OU?

Kruger didn't have to tell him that. If the reports that Shake wanted to play the point are accurate, seems obvious to me that he didn't want to compete for the job with an established point guard who has three more years to play. We also know that LK will not promise a player he can be a starter at any position. Calvin Newell learned that from experience.

 

[skyvue]

Kruger didn't have to tell him that. If the reports that Shake wanted to play the point are accurate, seems obvious to me that he didn't want to compete for the job with an established point guard who has three more years to play. We also know that LK will not promise a player he can be a starter at any position. Calvin Newell learned that from experience.

Which brings us back around to Shake either seeking assurances Kruger wouldn't give him (and good for LK, if that's the case) or preferring to avoid competition for playing time.

I don't know the young man and I'm in no way trying to defame him, but we keep hearing, "He wanted to play PG and he could do that at SMU," and sorry, that just doesn't make sense, in and of itself, as an explanation.

Woodard would have been a junior when Shake arrived in Norman, and even if Jordan stays his whole four years at OU, that adds up to two seasons of backup PG for Milton (with lots of playing time) and two years as the starter.

And if Shake considers himself good enough to start from the jump, then, fine, go head to head against Woodard and beat him out for the starting position. Nothing would make Kruger happier, I'm sure, than a PG who's even better than Woodard.