Tiny investigation update

The more we hear, the more it seems that Tiny's decision to leave wasn't just up to him.
 
DM said:
Gallon gone, Warren gone, Coach O., gone, it seems as if Capel were involved he'd be gone as well.
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So its a good thing that all of that was going on in his team and he had no idea it was happening?? He might want to pay more attention to the group if this is the case.
 
luckyc1423 said:
So its a good thing that all of that was going on in his team and he had no idea it was happening?? He might want to pay more attention to the group if this is the case.
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Employees who are breaking rules/laws rarely tell their co-workers or supervisors of their misdeeds. I can seen that analogy applying here very easily.
 
I'm not sure which is worse. If JC knew all about this or nothing about this. I think both are pretty bad.
 
I am not advocating cheating by any means. But if Oronde new Tiny needed three grand, why did he not go to his bank and draw out the cash and cut the paper trail? He made $186,000! If he was this stupid, firing him over ignorance would be acceptable! Now he has put the program and university in a bad spot. All of this over a street hustler connected with AAU frauds and not an ounce of basketball coaching ability. Nice hire Capel.......you sleep with the dogs, you're gonna get fleas...
 
NickZepp said:
I'm not sure which is worse. If JC knew all about this or nothing about this. I think both are pretty bad.
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The whole think stinks. Depending on how this mess plays out with the NCAA, it may be time for David Boren to clean house and boot both JC's arses out the door. If the NCAA gives us more than a slap on on the wrist, and Boren REFUSES to clean up the mess then it will be time for the Oklahoma fans to stop supporting the program with their ATTENDANCE and MONEY.
 
After observing and listening to Jeff Capel over the past few years, I believe he is a victim of misplaced trust. He was a naive young coach who trusted those advisers who recommended and vouched for assistant coaches to him in the beginning. He is learning that, ultimately, advisers don't have to live with the results of their recommendations. Jeff Capel DOES have to live with the results, hence the relatively long time to hire replacement assistants. He is definitely being more careful. He is learning his lesson. I just hope it's not too late.
 
DM said:
Gallon gone, Warren gone, Coach O., gone, it seems as if Capel were involved he'd be gone as well.
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I don't agree with that at all... They trimmed all of the expendable people.

If the head coach resigns you are admitting high level guilt and the school would be in monster trouble. There is no way they aren't going to do everything they possibly can to protect the head coach and the athletic department.
 
ou4ever said:
After observing and listening to Jeff Capel over the past few years, I believe he is a victim of misplaced trust. He was a naive young coach who trusted those advisers who recommended and vouched for assistant coaches to him in the beginning. He is learning that, ultimately, advisers don't have to live with the results of their recommendations. Jeff Capel DOES have to live with the results, hence the relatively long time to hire replacement assistants. He is definitely being more careful. He is learning his lesson. I just hope it's not too late.
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Agreed. Either Capel is an excellent actor/liar who is nothing that he says he is or he is a genuinely good guy who has a hard time understanding why anyone would cheat so he trusts the wrong people. I believe that he trusted the wrong people and got burned. He is paying a price for that and will probably pay a steeper price in times to come.

Is the next step of our compliance group to probe into who the heck anyone is who gets more than one call a month from a coach? Maybe. It is much easier to think of steps to fix a problem once you have been burned than before the problem is discovered.
 
ou4ever said:
After observing and listening to Jeff Capel over the past few years, I believe he is a victim of misplaced trust. He was a naive young coach who trusted those advisers who recommended and vouched for assistant coaches to him in the beginning. He is learning that, ultimately, advisers don't have to live with the results of their recommendations. Jeff Capel DOES have to live with the results, hence the relatively long time to hire replacement assistants. He is definitely being more careful. He is learning his lesson. I just hope it's not too late.
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I think he brought in Coach T to ensure that he got Willie Warren and other high profile recruits, including Tiny Gallon. I also think that he was probably not as vigilant as he should have been in keeping track of what Coach T was doing on the recruiting trail. Ultimately I agree with you, he picked a bad apple and it may prove to be the downfall of his tenure. Going forward he will certainly be more diligent and picky as to whom he brings in, and FWIW, I think he himself is enough of a "recruiter" that we don't need another one on staff.

Here is what I think is stupid though: Based on the limited facts we have now, to put Capel in a lose/lose situation. Say he asks Coach T... "you cheating to get players?" Think Coach T is like "yep, totally". Hey Tiny, you getting paid off to come here? "Yep. I sure am coach." If facts come out that he knew about it, bust him up and run him out of Norman, but if he didn't know about it, it is not that absurd. I think SoonerNorm nailed it above...people lie about stuff or cover things up all the time.
 
ou4ever said:
After observing and listening to Jeff Capel over the past few years, I believe he is a victim of misplaced trust. He was a naive young coach who trusted those advisers who recommended and vouched for assistant coaches to him in the beginning. He is learning that, ultimately, advisers don't have to live with the results of their recommendations. Jeff Capel DOES have to live with the results, hence the relatively long time to hire replacement assistants. He is definitely being more careful. He is learning his lesson. I just hope it's not too late.
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That's just silly, IMO. You are basically saying Capel is just so gosh darn good that he was too dumb to know anything and people took advantage of him.

Capel has been around high level basketball his entire life. He is no fool, and your post implies that he is one.
 
believe Mr.B has it right. I understand he called in Coach T after story broke about loan to Gallon and at first he didn't get the whole story and called him back in and when he gave up contact with guy in Florida he fired him on the spot. The announcement was he decided to resign.
I have heard all along Capel will not do what other programs do to get recruits and we have lost several as a result of that. I have been proponent for years that extra benefits should not be given but it has always been that everyone else does and you have to to be competitive. We'll see how it shakes out and I don't think Capel should get pass because Coach T lied to him as Coach T's past should have been a red flag.
 
I would be shocked if Capel knew nothing of the money going to Gallon, through the agent, set up through Coach "O".

A more believable scenario is the assistants do all the dirty work and then take the fall if they are caught, keeping the head coach out of the fray.

I thought Coach "O" was a real coup for Capel to hire as an assistant but he appears to be extremely dirty, that's a shame.
 
sdcloud9 said:
I would be shocked if Capel knew nothing of the money going to Gallon, through the agent, set up through Coach "O".

A more believable scenario is the assistants do all the dirty work and then take the fall if they are caught, keeping the head coach out of the fray.

I thought Coach "O" was a real coup for Capel to hire as an assistant but he appears to be extremely dirty, that's a shame.
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Exactly... they are going to do everything to protect the head coach, because if he resigns or gets caught the University gets in big time trouble.
 
thebigabd said:
I don't agree with that at all... They trimmed all of the expendable people.

If the head coach resigns you are admitting high level guilt and the school would be in monster trouble. There is no way they aren't going to do everything they possibly can to protect the head coach and the athletic department.
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No way...if OU knew Capel was involved he would be gone and deservedly so.
 
Where is our compliance department? What aren't they constantly monitoring calls especially since that is the main reason we are on probation.
 
ellissooner said:
Where is our compliance department? What aren't they constantly monitoring calls especially since that is the main reason we are on probation.
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I am willing to bet it was Oronde's personal cell phone which most likely makes it harder to keep tabs on.
 
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