Underwood headed to Illinois
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OSU had been mediocre for about a decade+ since Sutton went down hill. They weren't great this year but showed a lot of promise and returned main key cogs like Evans and Carroll. Lose a main cog in Forte but still return basically everyone else. You probably wouldn't even have to pay Underwood as much as Illinois did to keep him because next years team probably competes for a Big 12 title if Underwood is back.
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You don't call a coach great based on their potential, which is what you are talking about. You call a coach great based on their track record.
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Espn reporting 3 million per for Underwood.
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He's already making a pitch for the job:
https://larrybrownsports.com/college-basketball/doug-gottlieb-push-oklahoma-state-job/357616
Doug will do fine if he doesn't have to shoot free throws or layups.
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Out at the right time? He hadn't even brought in his 1st recruiting class yet. He's leaving because of money that he was promised.
This speaks almost exclusively to Holder and Booger! Booger is the AD of Poke State, don't kid yourself! He just has his "yes" man, Holder, as the front man. They are both snakes and keep gambling all the time, probably winning less than half the time; i.e. all the money invested by Booger that they lost big time (lOSUr), giving Napoleon a 10 year contract (lOSUr), fightin' with Gundy (lOSUr) and paying Underwood on the cheap and not wanting to renegotiate (after TF fiasco, I'm sure) (lOSUr).
You get what you pay for and lOSUr got the devil when they paid for (or got paid from) Booger and his sidekick, Holder!
Our administration has done pretty much everything they can do to support basketball. It's really the fans (a lot of them) that have no commitment to our program!
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This from an OSU board:
Let's not BBQ Holder just yet. If Underwood came to me wanting a raise, I'd ask him to justify it. He'd probably say - I finished 5th in the best league, and I made the tournament.
As Holder I would say - you finished 5th in the league, that's average, you finished 9-9 with only one win against the top 4 and 2 losses against the bottom 5, you lost the first game of the tournament against a 7th place team, your defense was one of the worst in the country, you started 0-6 and ended 0-4. I know they weren't your players, but let's talk after you get your players. If you don't like it (small or no raise?), go sell yourself to someone else.
I don't think that would be an unfair position by Holder. I do think it would be a little premature for Underwood to demand a HUGE raise.
If this is indeed the case, I don't think it is an unreasonable position for Holder to take.
Let's not BBQ Holder just yet. If Underwood came to me wanting a raise, I'd ask him to justify it. He'd probably say - I finished 5th in the best league, and I made the tournament.
As Holder I would say - you finished 5th in the league, that's average, you finished 9-9 with only one win against the top 4 and 2 losses against the bottom 5, you lost the first game of the tournament against a 7th place team, your defense was one of the worst in the country, you started 0-6 and ended 0-4. I know they weren't your players, but let's talk after you get your players. If you don't like it (small or no raise?), go sell yourself to someone else.
I don't think that would be an unfair position by Holder. I do think it would be a little premature for Underwood to demand a HUGE raise.
If this is indeed the case, I don't think it is an unreasonable position for Holder to take.
Can't blame a guy too much for using a stepping stone job like OSU to get a job at a better program.
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Next year's OSU team is going to be just as bad as this year's OU team, just without the promising core to build on. He was going to have build the whole thing back up from scratch, which is an iffy proposition.
I don't blame Underwood either. No way would he get a raise close to $3M / year. Illinois is the state school with in-roads to Chicago recruiting. Kruger and Self both took the job for a few years. He needed to look out for himself and his family.
Depends on what he was promised. We'll probably never know.
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I don't often read the boards of opposing teams but I just read the OrangePower thread about Underwood leaving. Three things:
1. Many of them rag on Holder, but none of them criticize TBP. One poster says Pickens doesn't care that much about hoops, but that's it. Not one complaint about oswho athletics effectively serving as a private fiefdom to a monied booster. I've felt all along that was unhealthy situation, and I'm further convinced of it now. Every school relies on big-money boosters, but to have one guy running the show from the shadows? Not good.
2. One poster ranted about how Illinois hasn't been any good for the last decade, totally missing the irony of his remarks.
3. Another poster insisted this was "fake news," despite the multiple legitimate sources saying it was true.
If I were an aggie fan (coughcough), I'd be very upset at BU's departure, but most of my ire would be reserved for Holder and TBP. Some of them are mad at Holder, but none of them are questioning Picken's undue influence on oswho athletics.
1. Many of them rag on Holder, but none of them criticize TBP. One poster says Pickens doesn't care that much about hoops, but that's it. Not one complaint about oswho athletics effectively serving as a private fiefdom to a monied booster. I've felt all along that was unhealthy situation, and I'm further convinced of it now. Every school relies on big-money boosters, but to have one guy running the show from the shadows? Not good.
2. One poster ranted about how Illinois hasn't been any good for the last decade, totally missing the irony of his remarks.
3. Another poster insisted this was "fake news," despite the multiple legitimate sources saying it was true.
If I were an aggie fan (coughcough), I'd be very upset at BU's departure, but most of my ire would be reserved for Holder and TBP. Some of them are mad at Holder, but none of them are questioning Picken's undue influence on oswho athletics.
I'm sure that's what he was telling Booger/Holder too!
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Pretty quick reactions all around if you ask me. I understand the OSU fans being blinded by the trees however. I think we wait and see what's going to happen. It's possible Holder is smarter than it appears and may well end up with a better coach for 2 mil a year. BU's worth to this point is based off 3 yrs at SFA where he did well and 1 yr at OSU which was up/down. They did make the NCAA's but with how the season went, imo, they were fortunate to make the NCAA's especially considering they caught Texas and OU in a down year. Won't happen next year. I think the verdict is still out on a guy that Illinois just agreed to pay 2/3 million a year to.
Let's see what Holder does with his turn.
Let's see what Holder does with his turn.
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Not from scratch but yeah they will be bad next year. He came to OSU from Stephen f Austin, if he doesn't believe he can build up the program then he doesn't deserve $2 million.
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