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It's so easy to know which posters are jocks and which are lifetime spectators.

BTW Mizzy, my sons football season is over and he's been coming to my club to hoop. Kid went two feet over my head for a rebound the other day and ripped the ball out of my hands. Old father time is gaining on us brother.
 
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It's so easy to know which posters are jocks and which are lifetime spectators.

BTW Mizzy, my sons football season is over and he's been coming to my club to hoop. Kid went two feet over my head for a rebound the other day and ripped the ball out of my hands. Old father time is gaining on us brother.

Where did you play college basketball? Im not trying to be rude or joke, I just didn't realize you played college ball.
 
It's so easy to know which posters are jocks and which are lifetime spectators.

BTW Mizzy, my sons football season is over and he's been coming to my club to hoop. Kid went two feet over my head for a rebound the other day and ripped the ball out of my hands. Old father time is gaining on us brother.

It's so obvious to everyone that boca is a jock. :facepalm

Boca: the king of pickup basketball games. :ez-roll:
 
I'm not jumping to conclusions; I'm disheartened that we've fallen so far that we're expected to take last night's loss calmly. Yes, texas has a terrific team, but we used to at least put a darned good scare into such teams, if not pull off the upset. Now, we're expected not to be disheartened or voice complaints when we get our tails kicked at home. Last night's game wasn't nearly as close as the score would indicate. We could easily have lost by thirty.

In the twelve years Sampson spent at the helm, we suffered a total of seven double-digit home losses. Under Capel, we've suffered that many in less than five seasons -- with at least one more to come this year, I fear.

Your also comparing 2 different big 12s. Sampson's big 12 was at the bottom of the power conferences while Capels big 12 is at the top. Competition is a lot tougher. We have 2 teams that are ranked 2 and 3. You have Mizzou, aTm, K-ST, Col and Baylor who are way better than Sampson ever faced. The big 12 is no longer just a football conference...This conference is top 2 in basketball from head to toe.

Guys like Durant, Beasley, Griffin, Jones III, etc are coming to the big 12. You can't compare records between the 2 w/o comparing the competition.

As for Texas...Barnes has turned that team into a top program. He didn't do it over night. If you can't handle OU rebuilding, then I suggest you start supporting a team like Duke that gets nothing but top talent every year.
 
Your also comparing 2 different big 12s. Sampson's big 12 was at the bottom of the power conferences while Capels big 12 is at the top. Competition is a lot tougher. We have 2 teams that are ranked 2 and 3. You have Mizzou, aTm, K-ST, Col and Baylor who are way better than Sampson ever faced. The big 12 is no longer just a football conference...This conference is top 2 in basketball from head to toe.

OSU under Sutton was very good, Tech wasnt bad sometimes under Bob Knight, Iowa State was pretty good through most of Sampsons time, CU had some talented teams under Patton, Mizzou was good under Norm and had an elite 8 year under Quin, etc.

K-State sucks this year, CU is average, Baylor is average...
 
Your also comparing 2 different big 12s. Sampson's big 12 was at the bottom of the power conferences while Capels big 12 is at the top. Competition is a lot tougher. We have 2 teams that are ranked 2 and 3. You have Mizzou, aTm, K-ST, Col and Baylor who are way better than Sampson ever faced. The big 12 is no longer just a football conference...This conference is top 2 in basketball from head to toe.
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Your also comparing 2 different big 12s. Sampson's big 12 was at the bottom of the power conferences while Capels big 12 is at the top. Competition is a lot tougher. We have 2 teams that are ranked 2 and 3. You have Mizzou, aTm, K-ST, Col and Baylor who are way better than Sampson ever faced. The big 12 is no longer just a football conference...This conference is top 2 in basketball from head to toe.

Guys like Durant, Beasley, Griffin, Jones III, etc are coming to the big 12. You can't compare records between the 2 w/o comparing the competition.

As for Texas...Barnes has turned that team into a top program. He didn't do it over night. If you can't handle OU rebuilding, then I suggest you start supporting a team like Duke that gets nothing but top talent every year.

I disagree with the whole premise of your first paragraph. The big 8 was very tough a lot of years after Billy revived the conference. OU, KU and MU were highly ranked most of the 80's and very good programs. In the 90 season, OU, MU and KU were in the top 5 the entire year and all were ranked #1 at one point.

The big 12 now is not near as tough as it used to be. Sorry, but you are very misinformed.

Texas has been good since Barnes took over, and his only final 4 was in 2003. Texas was good under Penders. He won a few SWC titles and competed for Big 12 titles.

aTm and Baylor weren't anything great but Baylor under Bliss was an NIT team one year and the year after he was fired were set to be an NCAA tourney team and a big 12 championship competitor as that team was loaded with Lucas, Lawrence Roberts, and a few other really good players.

KSU was a nobody for most of the Big 12, but in the big 8 they were very good most years.

CU was a joke in the big 8, but in the big 12 they always had an NBA potential player on their roster (Billups, Harrison, Vandiver, Boyce Roby, etc.). Patton took them to the NCAA tourney in 97 and 2003 and to the NIT a bunch of times. They should have made the NCAA one year when they had 10 conference wins, but did not.

OSU after Eddie Sutton came to Stillwater was very good and was probably the 3rd best program in the big 12 (behind KU and OU in that order) and they are nothing now like they were back in the 90's and early part of the decade, like us.

KU has always been KU.

MU had a few bad seasons under Snyder, but before Snyder they were again a very good program and even with Snyder they made an elite 8 and dang near beat us for the Big 12 championship.

ISU hasn't been very good of late, but with Johnny Orr, Tim Floyd, and Larry Eustachy, they were battling for the conference title and NCAA berths every year. They are nothing now compared to what they were.

Tech was very good when the conference was first created. Battie, Hamm, Carr, and Sasser they were in the elite 8 or sweet 16. The next season they had Battie and Carr and won in Norman and were on the verge of a great season and then collapsed. After those guys left they took a dip, then Knight revived them and they were tourney bound most years.

IMO, the Big 12 is weaker now than it was 10 years ago in basketball. The reason aTm and Baylor are so much improved is in part due to ours and OSU's decline and maybe even due to ISU's decline. I just don't see how anybody could say the conference is tougher now, because it's not.
 
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Your also comparing 2 different big 12s. Sampson's big 12 was at the bottom of the power conferences while Capels big 12 is at the top. Competition is a lot tougher. We have 2 teams that are ranked 2 and 3. You have Mizzou, aTm, K-ST, Col and Baylor who are way better than Sampson ever faced. The big 12 is no longer just a football conference...This conference is top 2 in basketball from head to toe.

Guys like Durant, Beasley, Griffin, Jones III, etc are coming to the big 12. You can't compare records between the 2 w/o comparing the competition.

As for Texas...Barnes has turned that team into a top program. He didn't do it over night. If you can't handle OU rebuilding, then I suggest you start supporting a team like Duke that gets nothing but top talent every year.

Where do you get this? I am pretty sure Sampson faced a Missouri team that went undefeated in conference play. I am also positive that Sampson beat a Missouri team in the Great 8. ISU won the conference two years in a row. Tech and OSU were both substantially better during the Sampson era. CU's best team was during the Sampson era. Texas, OSU, OU and KU all went to the final four during the Sampson era. It is simply not accurage to say the competition has changed to any significant degree. This has always been a good basketball conference. The Big 8 once sent 6 teams to the NCAA Tournament (it was during the Tubbs era). 75% of this conference is not going to the NCAA Trounament this year.

A&M, Baylor and KSU fielding respectable teams does not mean the conference is better.
 
Where do you get this? I am pretty sure Sampson faced a Missouri team that went undefeated in conference play. I am also positive that Sampson beat a Missouri team in the Great 8. ISU won the conference two years in a row. Tech and OSU were both substantially better during the Sampson era. CU's best team was during the Sampson era. Texas, OSU, OU and KU all went to the final four during the Sampson era. It is simply not accurage to say the competition has changed to any significant degree. This has always been a good basketball conference. The Big 8 once sent 6 teams to the NCAA Tournament (it was during the Tubbs era). 75% of this conference is not going to the NCAA Trounament this year.

A&M, Baylor and KSU fielding respectable teams does not mean the conference is better.

Exactly.
 
I disagree with the whole premise of your first paragraph. The big 8 was very tough a lot of years after Billy revived the conference. OU, KU and MU were highly ranked most of the 80's and very good programs. In the 90 season, OU, MU and KU were in the top 5 the entire year and all were ranked #1 at one point.

The big 12 now is not near as tough as it used to be. Sorry, but you are very misinformed.

Texas has been good since Barnes took over, and his only final 4 was in 2003. Texas was good under Penders. He won a few SWC titles and competed for Big 12 titles.

aTm and Baylor weren't anything great but Baylor under Bliss was an NIT team one year and the year after he was fired were set to be an NCAA tourney team and a big 12 championship competitor as that team was loaded with Lucas, Lawrence Roberts, and a few other really good players.

KSU was a nobody for most of the Big 12, but in the big 8 they were very good most years.

CU was a joke in the big 8, but in the big 12 they always had an NBA potential player on their roster (Billups, Harrison, Vandiver, Boyce Roby, etc.). Patton took them to the NCAA tourney in 97 and 2003 and to the NIT a bunch of times. They should have made the NCAA one year when they had 10 conference wins, but did not.

OSU after Eddie Sutton came to Stillwater was very good and was probably the 3rd best program in the big 12 (behind KU and OU in that order) and they are nothing now like they were back in the 90's and early part of the decade, like us.

KU has always been KU.

MU had a few bad seasons under Snyder, but before Snyder they were again a very good program and even with Snyder they made an elite 8 and dang near beat us for the Big 12 championship.

ISU hasn't been very good of late, but with Johnny Orr, Tim Floyd, and Larry Eustachy, they were battling for the conference title and NCAA berths every year. They are nothing now compared to what they were.

Tech was very good when the conference was first created. Battie, Hamm, Carr, and Sasser they were in the elite 8 or sweet 16. The next season they had Battie and Carr and won in Norman and were on the verge of a great season and then collapsed. After those guys left they took a dip, then Knight revived them and they were tourney bound most years.

IMO, the Big 12 is weaker now than it was 10 years ago in basketball. The reason aTm and Baylor are so much improved is in part due to ours and OSU's decline and maybe even due to ISU's decline. I just don't see how anybody could say the conference is tougher now, because it's not.

BOB are you a jock or just a lifelong fan?
 
Twenty point losses at home suck under any circumstances; people want to ***** after them, it is natural. Now where the divergence is seems to be whether people want Capel to be fired or not after this season. To me, it is about 80% of the posters on this board who are inclined to give Jeff one more year (noting that it is not their decision) and about 20% who want him gone right now (again noting that it is not their decision).

Billy Tubbs was awesome, Kelvin was pretty great as well, Capel is a work in progress, but he has made it to the dance twice at OU and the Elite Eight as well. Blame it on Blake I guess, but if it Capel's "fault" that we have no talent now, then he should get the"credit" for the years that we did. Honestly, just having Gallon back would have made a huge difference for this team. That said, the guys are at least "trying" this season, which is more than what I can say for last year.

I guess my bottom line is that they have gotten better as the season has progressed, but getting b-word slapped by UT at home isn't fun, and hopefully we can get back to competing with them in the near future (although UT ay be the best team in the country right now).
 
BOB are you a jock or just a lifelong fan?

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Lifelong fan, but I was a jock at one time. I at least played the sport for a number of years. Heck, I even won 3rd place at Billy Tubbs basketball camp in the hot-shot competition in 1985. One of my prouder moments on the hardwood as I was going into the 9th grade so I had to compete against varsity level competition. The guy who won first place played and started at OSU under Sutton. He was a tall white dude from Durant...can't remember his name but he was one of the Oklahoman "super 5" in 87 or 88.
 
Here are the Sagarin Ratings from 98-99 to present...Big 12's Conference Ranking

'98-99- 7th
'99-00- 5th
'00-01- 5th
'01-02- 5th
'02-03- 1st
'03-04- 3rd
'04-05- 3rd
'05-06- 7th
'06-07- 6th
'07-08- 2nd
'08-09- 2nd
'09-10- 1st
'10-11- 3rd

Kenpom only goes back to '03 so that doesn't cover enough of Sampson's years (and yes, I know there are some years missing for Sampson in the Sagarin ratings, but at least this gives an unbiased snapshot which doesn't depend on posters' memories)
 
It's so easy to know which posters are jocks and which are lifetime spectators.
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Although I understand where you are coming from, what is really funny is that you would think that would impress anyone.
 
Your also comparing 2 different big 12s. Sampson's big 12 was at the bottom of the power conferences while Capels big 12 is at the top. Competition is a lot tougher.

Sorry, but the numbers don't back you up.

In 1995, Sampson's first season, we played eight games (if you include the conference tourney) against conference foes who were ranked at the time we played them.

Here are the numbers for Sampson's tenure:

1995 -- 8
1996 -- 3
1997 -- 5
1998 -- 2
1999 -- 2
2000 -- 7
2001 -- 6
2002 -- 5
2003 -- 5
2004 -- 7
2005 -- 5
2006 -- 2

That's an average of 4.75 conference games per season against rank opponents.

Here are the numbers under Capel:

2007 -- 7
2008 -- 6
2009 -- 3
2010 -- 5
2011 -- 3 (with 3 more to come, assuming Mizzou, A&M and KU remain ranked)

That's an average of 5.4 per season.

Sorry, but that's not nearly a big enough difference to explain the disparity.
 
Brooks Thompson?

No, it wasn't Brooks Thompson. This guy played the 4 at OSU and actually signed with Hamilton and then his sr. year was Sutton's first year in Stillwater.

In the 90 bedlam game, he started a fight with one of the OU players. He was known to be really rough...kind of an OSU version of Grimm or Sutherland. I remember an article in the Oklahoman was written about Sutton discipling him by making him run at 5 am every morning of the season.

EDIT: It was John Potter. He was really good in HS and obviously pretty good in college to start at OSU for 2 seasons.
 
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It's so easy to know which posters are jocks and which are lifetime spectators.
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Although I understand where you are coming from, what is really funny is that you would think that would impress anyone.

lol @ trying to impress anybody by making a valid point. You see people who watched that game last night and have competed understand that Texas is a whale of a team. They are not going to take shots at Capel or our players for losing that game last night.

BTW who started the thread? You might want to check his playing background.
 
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