Worst Coach in the Big XII?

[DenverSooner]

Who is it? I say Jeff Capel, what do you say?

Pat Knight may deserve some consideration. Perhaps the guys at CU and ISU deserve some consideration. Clearly Texas, OSU, Baylor, A&M, Kansas, KSU and Missouri have better coaches. I think Nebraska has a better coach.

If you don't think it is Capel, tell me who and why you believe that.

 

[BigTime]

Are you talking this year? Or during their entire career? Or since they have been in the Big 12? I don't understand the question.

Hard to put a guy that has made it to the second round and to the elite 8 in two of his 4 completed seasons as the worst coach in the league. I mean, I know the Big 12 has been decently salty but dang its not THAT good.

 

[5hrenergy]

Hard not to go Pat Knight here. At least Capel has won at some point in his career albeit with the NPOY, but Knight hasn't done a thing.

 

[DenverSooner]

Is it? I give him almost no credit for those seasons. He had Blake Griffin and did not beat a single team he should not have beaten in either tournament. In fact, I cannot name a single game Capel has won from the bench.

Surely you don't think his job at OU is better than Frank Martin's job at KSU.

Surely you don't think his job at OU is better than Travis Ford's job at OSU.

Surely you don't think his job at OU is even worth comparing to what Barnes and Self have done at Texas and Kansas.

It is freaking joke to compare him to Scott Drew. Capel should be embarassed to be in the same room with Scott Drew.

I don't think he has done as good as Turgeon as done at A&M.

Do you honestly believe he has done a better job than Anderson at Missouri. Anderson beat Capel's best team and if I recall Blake played that game but maybe not.

So we have Pat Kning, Doc Sadler, and the guys at CU and ISU. Support the position that Capel is a better coach than any of them? I am not necessarily saying he isn't, I just can't suppor the argument because I know what Capel has done wrong and I don't know much about any of them.

 

[BigTime]

is it? I give him almost no credit for those seasons. He had blake griffin and did not beat a single team he should not have beaten in either tournament. In fact, i cannot name a single game capel has won from the bench.

Surely you don't think his job at ou is better than frank martin's job at ksu.

Surely you don't think his job at ou is better than travis ford's job at osu.

Surely you don't think his job at ou is even worth comparing to what barnes and self have done at texas and kansas.

It is freaking joke to compare him to scott drew. Capel should be embarassed to be in the same room with scott drew.

I don't think he has done as good as turgeon as done at a&m.

Do you honestly believe he has done a better job than anderson at missouri. Anderson beat capel's best team and if i recall blake played that game but maybe not.

So we have pat kning, doc sadler, and the guys at cu and isu. Support the position that capel is a better coach than any of them? I am not necessarily saying he isn't, i just can't suppor the argument because i know what capel has done wrong and i don't know much about any of them.

rage!

 

[Big Old Booger]

I don't think it's fair to say Pat Knight is worse than Capel. If you exclude the 2 seasons with Griffin, then I believe Capel is 1-3 vs. Pat Knight. OUCH!

At this point, I can't think of any coach in the Big 12 that is definitively worse than Capel. Maybe the CU coach could be and maybe Hoiberg, but I'd bet he's better than Capel.

The coaches I know are better than Capel without a doubt:

Ford
Barnes
Turgeon
Self
Anderson
Martin
Baylor coach
Knight
Sadler

 

[DenverSooner]

rage!

It seems like facts to me. He is clearly one of the bottom 4 coaches in the conference and may be the worst.

If you could make an argument to refut my comments I suspect you would.

The only thing I can say about the guy is he seems like a nice guy and he likes Jay Z.

 

[campbest]

Is it? I give him almost no credit for those seasons. He had Blake Griffin and did not beat a single team he should not have beaten in either tournament. In fact, I cannot name a single game Capel has won from the bench.

Surely you don't think his job at OU is better than Frank Martin's job at KSU.

Surely you don't think his job at OU is better than Travis Ford's job at OSU.

Surely you don't think his job at OU is even worth comparing to what Barnes and Self have done at Texas and Kansas.

It is freaking joke to compare him to Scott Drew. Capel should be embarassed to be in the same room with Scott Drew.

I don't think he has done as good as Turgeon as done at A&M.

Do you honestly believe he has done a better job than Anderson at Missouri. Anderson beat Capel's best team and if I recall Blake played that game but maybe not.

So we have Pat Kning, Doc Sadler, and the guys at CU and ISU. Support the position that Capel is a better coach than any of them? I am not necessarily saying he isn't, I just can't suppor the argument because I know what Capel has done wrong and I don't know much about any of them.

lol. wow.

Knight will be fired this year (certainty), Iowa State was going to fire McDermott. I think Bzedelik is a better coach than Capel, namely because he has NBA credentials and won at Air Force. However, he wasn't at AF very long, so never had to string together recruiting classes...have to see how he does at Wake. Obviously struggled at Colorado, which is understandable.

 

[campbest]

I don't think it's fair to say Pat Knight is worse than Capel. If you exclude the 2 seasons with Griffin, then I believe Capel is 1-3 vs. Pat Knight. OUCH!

At this point, I can't think of any coach in the Big 12 that is definitively worse than Capel. Maybe the CU coach could be and maybe Hoiberg, but I'd bet he's better than Capel.

The coaches I know are better than Capel without a doubt:

Ford
Barnes
Turgeon
Self
Anderson
Martin
Baylor coach
Knight
Sadler

By no means a Capel apologist, but please list The Mayor's coaching resume.

TIA.

 

[DenverSooner]

lol. wow.

Knight will be fired this year (certainty), Iowa State was going to fire McDermott. I think Bzedelik is a better coach than Capel, namely because he has NBA credentials and won at Air Force. However, he wasn't at AF very long, so never had to string together recruiting classes...have to see how he does at Wake. Obviously struggled at Colorado, which is understandable.

So you say Capel is number 11 of 12 or 10 of 12? That is good to know. OU does not have th worst coach in the conference. I will sleep much better.

If Joe C. doesn't fix this, he needs to leave.

 

[Big Old Booger]

By no means a Capel apologist, but please list The Mayor's coaching resume.

TIA.

I didn't say Capel was better or worse than Hoiberg. I just have to believe he will do a better job at ISU than Capel has done at OU. Hoiberg inherited a crap program while Capel inherited a program that had played in the post season for 25 straight years.

 

[campbest]

So you say Capel is number 11 of 12 or 10 of 12? That is good to know. OU does not have th worst coach in the conference. I will sleep much better.

If Joe C. doesn't fix this, he needs to leave.

Your original message claimed he was the worst coach...I disproved it. Not disagreeing that a change might be what we need. To suggest Joe C needs to leave is comical.

 

[oSuJeff97]

Hard to put a guy that has made it to the second round and to the elite 8 in two of his 4 completed seasons as the worst coach in the league. I mean, I know the Big 12 has been decently salty but dang its not THAT good.

You're right, but I seem to recall everyone agreeing that Quin Snyder was a lousy coach, even after he took Mizzou to the Elite Eight.

I'm not saying Capel is as bad as Snyder... just that one or two years of nice success doesn't necessarily mean you're a good coach.

 

[5hrenergy]

You're right, but I seem to recall everyone agreeing that Quin Snyder was a lousy coach, even after he took Mizzou to the Elite Eight.

I'm not saying Capel is as bad as Snyder... just that one or two years of nice success doesn't necessarily mean you're a good coach.

Ah Snyder....

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[quick release]

what has ford done to make him better than capel?

 

[DenverSooner]

what has ford done to make him better than capel?

Replaced a guy that was destroying the OSU program (multiple years of no road wins and losing Big XII records) and taken it to the NCAA Tournament in two seasons. Capel took a team that had been to 25 straight NCAA/NIT Tournaments and missed the Tournament.

Ford also runs his team. I thought he was nuts when he ran off some of his bigs but he clearly knows what he is doing. OSU does things his way and they are winning again. If the guys don't they are on the bench and/or gone. Capel has kids skip practice and continues to start them. I don't like OSU and I don't like Travis Ford but if you cannot admit he has done a better job than Capel you are viewing the world through some very crimson glasses.

 

[OULad]

Capel took VCU to the tournament and has been to an elite 8 here. That is a better resume than Knight, The Mayor, and whoever is at Colorado now. Hell its better than Nebraskas coach also.

 

[campbest]

I didn't say Capel was better or worse than Hoiberg. I just have to believe he will do a better job at ISU than Capel has done at OU. Hoiberg inherited a crap program while Capel inherited a program that had played in the post season for 25 straight years.

Could happen, but the Mayor has never been dancing. Capel has, with two different schools. Anthony Grant partially owes his job at Alabama to Capel.

 

[Sawyer]

You're right, but I seem to recall everyone agreeing that Quin Snyder was a lousy coach, even after he took Mizzou to the Elite Eight.

I'm not saying Capel is as bad as Snyder... just that one or two years of nice success doesn't necessarily mean you're a good coach.

To be fair to Capel, Quin underachieved quite a bit during that elite eight run and got a favorable draw in the tournament (complete with the one seed getting upset early). Putting together three good wins in March doesn't mean anything. That team should have won at least 5-6 more games than it did during the regular season.

During Capel's elite eight season, OU was good all year long. Huge difference. And while Capel did have the advantage of Griffin, Kareem Rush was also one of the top players in the country, and MU's supporting cast was arguably better than what OU had around Griffin.

I was one that defended Quin longer than most (up until the opening loss of his final season). I used the "he took us to the elite eight, just be patient" approach some are taking with Capel. Turned out to be misplaced faith. Lots of coaches lead teams to the elite eight. Few can do it repeatedly.

 

[Sawyer]

And regarding the original question... the worst coach is by far Knight IMO. He did nothing to earn the job other than be born to Bob Knight and he's done little to keep it since inheriting the position.