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I wanted to get this thread up and running....

I haven't made a chart/sheet yet but I'll do that tonight. I'll add a Hot Seat, candidate list, etc.

For now...

Open:

Florida State - Leonard Hamilton is retiring
Indiana - Mike Woodson is stepping down
La Salle - Fran Dunphy is retiring
Louisiana - Bob Marlin was fired early this season
Louisiana-Monroe - Keith Richard is retiring
Miami (FL) - Jim Larranaga resigned in December
South Florida - Amir Abdur-Rahim passed away in October
Stephen F. Austin - Kyle Keller was fired
Utah - Craig Smith was fired
Virginia - Tony Bennett retired in October


As of today, Quannas White is the lead candidate for Louisiana.

Jai Lucas, former Texas player and current Duke assistant, is supposedly getting the Miami (FL) job.
 
You would be an idiot to take a coaching job in college right now without a commitment regarding available NIL from the school. No NIL, no success. It is that simple. I think in the SEC, I think you would need at least 8-10 million per year in NIL to field an upper half squad. Maybe 5-6 million in some of the other D-1 conferences. And, it is going to go up -- not down over time.

The answer in my mind is federal legislation that makes it a crime for a school's donor/alumni to pay money to a college kid for NIL or to play for a particular school. Then, the Universities need to compensate kids for their NIL rights, but only as a percentage of revenue from non voluntary contributions. Kids would get a fair percentage of the money the university actually generates off athletics from tickets, TV and radio. Donors could still contribute to facilities, coaches salary, endowment of schollies etc. Eliminate billionaires from directly running the sport and help some in leveling the field among colleges. They would probably appreciate it once they think about it. In my mind, the real evil and unsustainable practice that needs to stop is paying a kid a lot of money to attend your college when he actually has no or negligible NIL value whatsoever. In other words, pay to play. If a kid really has NIL value, and few if any do, they could still market their NIL to non school affiliated businesses.
 
cowboysooner said:
You would be an idiot to take a coaching job in college right now without a commitment regarding available NIL from the school. No NIL, no success. It is that simple. I think in the SEC, I think you would need at least 8-10 million per year in NIL to field an upper half squad. Maybe 5-6 million in some of the other D-1 conferences. And, it is going to go up -- not down over time.

The answer in my mind is federal legislation that makes it a crime for a school's donor/alumni to pay money to a college kid for NIL or to play for a particular school. Then, the Universities need to compensate kids for their NIL rights, but only as a percentage of revenue from non voluntary contributions. Kids would get a fair percentage of the money the university actually generates off athletics from tickets, TV and radio. Donors could still contribute to facilities, coaches salary, endowment of schollies etc. Eliminate billionaires from directly running the sport and help some in leveling the field among colleges. They would probably appreciate it once they think about it. In my mind, the real evil and unsustainable practice that needs to stop is paying a kid a lot of money to attend your college when he actually has no or negligible NIL value whatsoever. In other words, pay to play. If a kid really has NIL value, and few if any do, they could still market their NIL to non school affiliated businesses.
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I think a lot of people are going to get tired of this nil crap very soon. I could very well see $'s going down for players. Hopefully a cap gets put in place
 
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It is a difficult situation for sure. Clearly, a given school can and could legally only give scholarships to kids that agree that the scholarship also compensates them for their NIL rights. The problem is that school wouldn't be competitive unless all the other schools did the same. If they all did this, then you have anti-trust problems. It is the collective action by the "only game in town" situation that results in these NCAA legal losses. Legally though, schools don't have to operate in such a way as to lose money. They choose to do that in order to win sporting events. Reasonable people could argue that is insane. Theoretically, the purpose of school is education and not sports.

If the feds give college sports an anti-trust exception, then the Universities, either through the NCAA or whoever they want to run the thing, could impose portal transfer regulations and limits on revenue sharing. Whether college sports are sufficiently important to warrant such legislation would differ person to person.
 
cowboysooner said:
You would be an idiot to take a coaching job in college right now without a commitment regarding available NIL from the school. No NIL, no success. It is that simple. I think in the SEC, I think you would need at least 8-10 million per year in NIL to field an upper half squad. Maybe 5-6 million in some of the other D-1 conferences. And, it is going to go up -- not down over time.

The answer in my mind is federal legislation that makes it a crime for a school's donor/alumni to pay money to a college kid for NIL or to play for a particular school. Then, the Universities need to compensate kids for their NIL rights, but only as a percentage of revenue from non voluntary contributions. Kids would get a fair percentage of the money the university actually generates off athletics from tickets, TV and radio. Donors could still contribute to facilities, coaches salary, endowment of schollies etc. Eliminate billionaires from directly running the sport and help some in leveling the field among colleges. They would probably appreciate it once they think about it. In my mind, the real evil and unsustainable practice that needs to stop is paying a kid a lot of money to attend your college when he actually has no or negligible NIL value whatsoever. In other words, pay to play. If a kid really has NIL value, and few if any do, they could still market their NIL to non school affiliated businesses.
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If they aren't employees, you can't make it illegal for them to earn money if someone is willing to pay them.
 
hoopsaustin said:
I think a lot of people are going to get tired of this nil crap very soon. I could very well see $'s going down to players. Hopefully a cap gets put in place
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when they are employees with a CBA football players will make (collectively ) far more then they do now
 
Making Kids employees is the red line in the sand for colleges. They will go to intramurals before they agree to that. Lots of reasons I won't type, but talk to all of the college administrators you want.

The antitrust exemption allows for collusion by an industry to "agree" not to pay kids and only allow participation for whatever compensation the industry agrees upon. Kids would be perfectly free to make all the money they want, but just not in that particular industry. If a kid wanted more than afforded by a university, whatever that was, they would need to play in the NAIA or go pro. Same result.

It is correctly noted above, the fact that kids aren't employees is one of the two main reasons the kids are winning in court. The other is that colleges have blatantly and openly been stealing their NIL since the very beginning. Schools wanted their cake and to eat it to. Create a business that makes billions for owners and be able to pass rules that minimize the costs and preclude sharing by the labor that produces that income.

With an antitrust exemption, we would go back to the halcyon days of cheating. Payments would need to be under the table and not above board.
 
notaburner said:
www.espn.com

Your guide to the men's basketball coaching carousel: Hot seats, top targets, more

Seats are heating up with the first firing this week. Who could be next -- and next up? Here's what we know.
www.espn.com www.espn.com

some VERY interesting tidbits in here.
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cbertus6 said:
Interesting that they connected us to Buzz and Jans. Those both feel like they would be very solid gets considering the state of the program at this moment
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So are y'all gonna post the info for those of us on here that don't have ESPN plus? lol
 
rickjames said:
So are y'all gonna post the info for those of us on here that don't have ESPN plus? lol
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As relevant to OU, it suggests Moser may be poised to return, but they mainly base that on our win over Miss. St. Obviously we have at least five games left this season, so I don't know why that think that game carried so much weight if we still miss the tourney.
 
rickjames said:
So are y'all gonna post the info for those of us on here that don't have ESPN plus? lol
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Oklahoma Sooners

Porter Moser appears primed to get another season in Norman, especially after the Sooners picked up a massive win against Mississippi State over the weekend to boost their NCAA tournament hopes. The Sooners started 13-0, though they struggled recently. Oklahoma has yet to make an NCAA tournament appearance under Moser, though it's also a program perceived to have one of the lowest NIL budgets in the SEC. Moser would reportedly be owed just shy of $8 million.

Buzz Williams, Texas A&M Aggies

Never one to stay at the same school for very long, Williams has the Aggies headed for their third straight NCAA tournament -- and has his best team since arriving in College Station six years ago. He's likely further down the list at Indiana, but could find himself in the mix for Oklahoma should it open.
 
notaburner said:
www.espn.com

Your guide to the men's basketball coaching carousel: Hot seats, top targets, more

Seats are heating up with the first firing this week. Who could be next -- and next up? Here's what we know.
www.espn.com www.espn.com

some VERY interesting tidbits in here.
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Jobs that could open:

Oklahoma Sooners

Porter Moser appears primed to get another season in Norman, especially after the Sooners picked up a massive win against Mississippi State over the weekend to boost their NCAA tournament hopes. The Sooners started 13-0, though they struggled recently. Oklahoma has yet to make an NCAA tournament appearance under Moser, though it's also a program perceived to have one of the lowest NIL budgets in the SEC. Moser would reportedly be owed just shy of $8 million.


High Profile Candidates to keep an eye on:

Buzz Williams, Texas A&M Aggies

Never one to stay at the same school for very long, Williams has the Aggies headed for their third straight NCAA tournament -- and has his best team since arriving in College Station six years ago. He's likely further down the list at Indiana, but could find himself in the mix for Oklahoma should it open.


Chris Jans, Mississippi State Bulldogs

There were brief links to Arkansas last spring, but Jans returned to Starkville and will have the Bulldogs going to their third straight NCAA tournament. Could he try to get involved at Oklahoma if it opens, or perhaps get back to the Midwest?
 
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