A Marquette fan's view: You guys need to be a little more realistic

Yes, you have a fine athletic program. That is great. That is also irrelevant. No basketball coach is going to come to Oklahoma because you have a geat gymnastics team.

And I will state again. No doubt Oklahoma has lots of money to spend, much of it from football. This is also irrelevant. There is a top end to what OU will spend to hire a basketball coach. Marquette will match or surpass that amount.

BTW, here is why Marquette fans might feel compelled to make a visit to your board.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=415&f=2850&t=7363531&p=3
 
Yes, you have a fine athletic program. That is great. That is also irrelevant. No basketball coach is going to come to Oklahoma because you have a geat gymnastics team.

And I will state again. No doubt Oklahoma has lots of money to spend, much of it from football. This is also irrelevant. There is a top end to what OU will spend to hire a basketball coach. Marquette will match or surpass that amount.

BTW, here is why Marquette fans might feel compelled to make a visit to your board.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=415&f=2850&t=7363531&p=3

ok so there is a retard fan that posts on another board. so for that you bring just as a retarded a post over here ? At least he didn't make a bunch of generalizations about your university which are so clueless it's impossible to take anything you say seriously.

Guess we're 1-1 now.
 
Yes, you have a fine athletic program. That is great. That is also irrelevant. No basketball coach is going to come to Oklahoma because you have a geat gymnastics team.

And I will state again. No doubt Oklahoma has lots of money to spend, much of it from football. This is also irrelevant. There is a top end to what OU will spend to hire a basketball coach. Marquette will match or surpass that amount.

BTW, here is why Marquette fans might feel compelled to make a visit to your board.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=415&f=2850&t=7363531&p=3

Uncle John, please note this. It might serve as an education before you post next time:

http://www.soonersports.com/facilities/basketball-facilities.html
 
Looking at the basketball programs, I am sorry, but Marquette's is clearly superior.

Clearly? I would argue for Marquette being better, but history and statistics contradicts your pompous reasoning. Marquette is nowhere near on the level you are purporting it to be, nor is it drastically better than OU's. Seriously, who do you think you are rooting for? John Wooden's UCLA teams?


That state-of-the-art practice facility that you are planning to build? We already built it. Marquette has one of the best in the country.

Did you intend to post this in 1999? OU built their practice facility nearly 10 years ago. And yes, its on par with just about any other basketball program's practice facility in the country. Not 100% positive, but I am willing to bet it is just as good--if not better--than Marquette's.

The conference we are in? Typically comparable to or better than the Big 12, but it did not almost disappear last summer.

The Big 12 nearly dissolving has absolutely nothing to do with its stature compared to the Big East. In fact, at this juncture the Big East is--at best--on the Big 12's level. I would argue the Big 12 is more superior.

And it nearly disappeared because the conference's big boys were contemplating moving to greener pastures (i.e. hypothetical Pac 16) for mainly football/academics. Your conference is strictly a basketball conference, which if you didn't know this already, holds little in the grand scheme of things. Why else do you think the alpha dog of Big 12 basketball (Kansas) was nearly left out in the cold? Why else do you think rumors were swirling that the Big East was only going to pick up the scrub teams that weren't going to get invited to the hypothetical Pac 16? Yes, that's right... If the Big East were as prestigious as you are implying, it would have had the conference's big names listening. Furthermore, the Big 12 is about to sign a new TV deal that will make your reasoning for the Big East being superior in the grand scheme of things seem beyond foolish. Not that your reasoning isn't beyond foolish already...

History? If you go back to about the 60's, roughly comparable. Marquette made the last six NCAA's. OU missed the last two.

LOL, yes, because overall program history should only be judged by the last two seasons. If you knew what you were actually talking about, you would clearly see that OU stacks up with Marquette (and in some decades has been superior) beyond the 60's. Try the 80's, 90's, and 2000's, maybe?

For big games against conference rivals, Marquette will double the largest crowd OU will draw in a year.

So Marquette consistently draws 24,000+ for their "big games against conference rivals"? I find that extremely hard to believe.

Good luck in your search. You are likely to hire somebody pretty good, but the expectations of your fans are a bit out of line.

And your expectations aren't out of line? You are no better than the clueless OU fans that think they can swoop in and steal any basketball coach in the country.

Seriously, you're post couldn't have been more of an epic fail if you tried. Reach higher for us next time.
 
Looking at the basketball programs, I am sorry, but Marquette's is clearly superior. You are not going to believe that, but take a look at some facts and numbers. That state-of-the-art practice facility that you are planning to build? We already built it. Marquette has one of the best in the country. The conference we are in? Typically comparable to or better than the Big 12, but it did not almost disappear last summer. History? If you go back to about the 60's, roughly comparable. Marquette made the last six NCAA's. OU missed the last two. OU produced the player of the year a couple years ago, and sends players to the NBA. Marquette sends more players to the NBA, including the guy who is arguably the best in the league.
I stopped here
 
Did you intend to post this in 1999? OU built their practice facility nearly 10 years ago. And yes, its on par with just about any other basketball program's practice facility in the country. Not 100% positive, but I am willing to bet it is just as good--if not better--than Marquette's.
It is.
 
Yes, you have a fine athletic program. That is great. That is also irrelevant. No basketball coach is going to come to Oklahoma because you have a geat gymnastics team.

And I will state again. No doubt Oklahoma has lots of money to spend, much of it from football. This is also irrelevant. There is a top end to what OU will spend to hire a basketball coach. Marquette will match or surpass that amount.

BTW, here is why Marquette fans might feel compelled to make a visit to your board.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=415&f=2850&t=7363531&p=3

unclejohn: Here is the deal. Nobody knows how close Buzz came to going to OU. However our AD Joe Castiglione is one of the top AD's in the country and you may not be aware how well he is compensated. In 2008 OU's athletic budjet was 73 million and Castiglione got paid 700k. Marquettes was less than half and your AD made barely 200k. I don't think he waits this long for plan b unless Buzz gives him some expectation of coming.

The former SID at OCU with great familiarity with Buzz as they officed near each other told me he indeed was serious.

Now I would agree that Marquette has a better basketball program than OU but you don't know about our practice facilities but that was one thing Buzz mentioned privately that Vitale told him they were the best in the country.

Congradulations but to make it sound like this was a pipe dream is silly.
 
If Buzz Williams does come to OU,then this thread will enter Hall of Fame levels.
 
Yes, you have a fine athletic program. That is great. That is also irrelevant. No basketball coach is going to come to Oklahoma because you have a geat gymnastics team.

You might have missed the point or be thick headed. If nearly every sport at OU is a huge success, then it would lead one to believe that the athletic dept. is dedicated to success, knows how to support all of its sports very well, is well run and is a place where coaches enjoy working and don't want for anything.
 
And I will state again. No doubt Oklahoma has lots of money to spend, much of it from football. This is also irrelevant. There is a top end to what OU will spend to hire a basketball coach. Marquette will match or surpass that amount.
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=415&f=2850&t=7363531&p=3

FWIW. IF both OU and MU decided that Buzz was the the coach of the future for their program.......

MU couldn't hang with OU in a bidding war.

Buzz is worth more to MU than he is to OU. There comes a point (money wise) where it makes sense to leave Buzz and go after a more proven coach. That point is probably lower for OU than it is for MU.

Want proof? Look no further than the Indiana University job. An OU coach got pushed out of their job into the IU job. A MU coach willingly left their job to take the IU job, with big time NCAA sanctions in place.

Which sounds like a better CBB job to you?
 
Just thought that I would point out that this season was Marquette's 3rd sweet sixteen appearance since 1980, quite the Juggernaut!

Marquette Since 1980:
3 Sweet Sixteen Appearances
1 Elite eight
1 Final Four

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/tournament/history/_/team1/6526

Just in case your curious:

Oklahoma since 1980:
8 Sweet Sixteen Appearances
5 Elite Eight runs
2 Final Fours
1 Championship Game

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/tournament/history/_/team1/7024

You are unclejohn's worst enemy. Keep making him look inferior.
 
Well, there is one thing a post like this can do and that is to prove to all of us that we are on the same team. Let's use this to try and pony up to make the basketball job one of the best. Again, how can we make it better?
 
That was posted after your post. So please think of another reason why you're here.

No, that is the latest in a string of posts on the MU board, extolling the virtues of the OU athletic program, telling us about how much the athletic department had to spend because of how much it made on football, telling us about the great crowds OU can draw for basketball, which are actually significantly smaller than Marquette's, etc.

If you folks are unhappy about how others perceive your program you might want to look in the mirror for the reason.
 
No, that is the latest in a string of posts on the MU board, extolling the virtues of the OU athletic program, telling us about how much the athletic department had to spend because of how much it made on football, telling us about the great crowds OU can draw for basketball, which are actually significantly smaller than Marquette's, etc.

If you folks are unhappy about how others perceive your program you might want to look in the mirror for the reason.

I could care less how some one from Wisconsin views our program. Maybe you should go back to the State Capital and protest something you might know about.
 
No, that is the latest in a string of posts on the MU board, extolling the virtues of the OU athletic program, telling us about how much the athletic department had to spend because of how much it made on football, telling us about the great crowds OU can draw for basketball, which are actually significantly smaller than Marquette's, etc.

If you folks are unhappy about how others perceive your program you might want to look in the mirror for the reason.

Still going strong huh? Im a bit confused. Buzz is still your coach. Its cool dude, let it go!!!
 
Thankfully the Marquette alums in my family aren't/weren't this dumb.
 
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