A Statistical Peek Into OU's Mediocre Slide

My one beef with this thread is the title. Can this funk really just be considered mediocre? Wouldn't mediocre be considered borderline NIT level? Not lose to Chaminade level.
 
Sam said:
My one beef with this thread is the title. Can this funk really just be considered mediocre? Wouldn't mediocre be considered borderline NIT level? Not lose to Chaminade level.
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I'd say early in the season, yes. Lately, not really. They've actually been in MOST games as of late. I agree with what someone said the other day, if this team (in its current state) were to start the season over, there's a good chance they win a couple of the games they lost. I know "what-ifs" are for losers, but that's what we've had to resort to with this team...and I don't like it...
 
Remember that dude that used to run the circuit around LNC with an OU flag during timeouts?
 
seniorsooner said:
Remember that dude that used to run the circuit around LNC with an OU flag during timeouts?
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Who was the big fat guy who took off his shirt and his face was painted? He was a student...this is mid-90's or so.

For some reason, I always pictured BigTime as being this guy...don't know why, other than maybe the name. :ez-laugh:

EDIT: I think the guy Senior is thinking of is the same guy as I'm mentioning here.
 
Big Old Booger said:
Who was the big fat guy who took off his shirt and his face was painted? He was a student...this is mid-90's or so.

For some reason, I always pictured BigTime as being this guy...don't know why, other than maybe the name. :ez-laugh:

EDIT: I think the guy Senior is thinking of is the same guy as I'm mentioning here.
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Yeah, I think we're thinking of the same guy. I just didn't want to say "fat guy" because he might post here. :ez-laugh:
 
seniorsooner said:
Yeah, I think we're thinking of the same guy. I just didn't want to say "fat guy" because he might post here. :ez-laugh:
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Didn't he used to take off his shirt?

Oddly enough, I was at a Thunder game on 12/31/10 and a similar fellow was behind one of the goals. He had his face painted and was shirtless...probably tipped the toledo's at 400 or so. Looked kind of like the guy you and I are discussing.
 
Sooner04 said:
Nice work, NMSooner'80. A fine track from Revolver, For No One.

Here are a few more stats I've compiled:

1. From the beginning of the Big 12 in 1997 through Jeff Capel's arrival in the fall of 2006, OU was 12-18 on the road against the Big 12 North. Jeff Capel on the road against the Big 12 North is 3-12.

2. Jeff Capel has never won in Austin, Lawrence, Columbia, Lincoln or Boulder.

3. Jeff Capel is 10-29 in his career at Oklahoma versus ranked opponents.

4. Jeff Capel is 6-27 in his career at Oklahoma when facing a team ranked higher than OU.
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Depressing. Thanks for taking the time to set the record straight. The facts in this thread detailing the downfall of the OU basketball program under the leadership of JC should be an eye-opener for all Sooner basketball fans. I realize Jeff is a nice man but his record at OU is unacceptable. Joe has no other choice but to relieve Jeff of his coaching duties after the Big 12 tournament is over.
 
Romulus said:
Mods please pin this post to the top
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Did you email Joe C?

Do it.... Do it.... Do it.... Do it.

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Bill Tubbs, as great a run as he had faded at the end and was, from a lot of descriptinons, run off. Sampson was not really appreciated much by many OU fans by the end of his tenure here. Jeff is getting squashed like grapes in a vineyard and is definitely in deep, deep trouble...
 
Not a new fact to add to this thread, but just an observation.

Reading newspaper and internet articles about the OU basketball team, it struck me. When it comes to the current era of OU basketball, I see and hear this phrase all the time ... winnable games.

Back in the BC (before Capel) era, most OU basketball fans, coaches and players assumed all games were winnable. The phrase “winnable games” was not heard or spoken around these parts. No one thought in those terms.

Well, this is a new era. The era of winnable games (WG). This means that many games are no longer even winnable for the OU basketball program. The phrase “winnable games” means your program is not competitive. Sad. Very sad.

BC Era
WG Era

:OUbball-logo:
 
MichSooner said:
Bill Tubbs, as great a run as he had faded at the end and was, from a lot of descriptinons, run off. Sampson was not really appreciated much by many OU fans by the end of his tenure here. Jeff is getting squashed like grapes in a vineyard and is definitely in deep, deep trouble...
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I don't really agree with this. I think most were shocked that Tubbs left. The program did slide a bit and I am sure he had some run ins with the Administration people that wanted to impose higher grade requirements on his team but I don't think the administration wanted him gone. I certainly never heard that at the time. In fact, Tubbs had just signed a highly regarded recruiting class. An AD that wanted Tubbs gone would be risking his career at OU to make it happen. The fans and alumni did not like the Administration forcing Switzer out, to do it to Tubbs too seems pretty hard to imagine.
 
SoonerTraveler said:
Not a new fact to add to this thread, but just an observation.

Reading newspaper and internet articles about the OU basketball team, it struck me. When it comes to the current era of OU basketball, I see and hear this phrase all the time ... winnable games.

Back in the BC (before Capel) era, most OU basketball fans, coaches and players assumed all games were winnable. The phrase “winnable games” was not heard or spoken around these parts. No one thought in those terms.

Well, this is a new era. The era of winnable games (WG). This means that many games are no longer even winnable for the OU basketball program. The phrase “winnable games” means your program is not competitive. Sad. Very sad.

BC Era
WG Era

:OUbball-logo:
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I hate to continue to compare this basketball team with the '90s football teams, but it's similar. I remember being a kid watching OU football under Blake/Schnelly and thinking that we had a chance to win some games. Hardly did we ever expect to win though. It's the same, IMO, as now. Hell, even when we play a team as crappy as Tech, we want to pretend like we know OU will win, but deep down we really just think we should win. Us fans go into games like this week's Kansas game expecting to get blown out by 25. That's just not very fun.
 
DenverSooner said:
I don't really agree with this. I think most were shocked that Tubbs left. The program did slide a bit and I am sure he had some run ins with the Administration people that wanted to impose higher grade requirements on his team but I don't think the administration wanted him gone. I certainly never heard that at the time. In fact, Tubbs had just signed a highly regarded recruiting class. An AD that wanted Tubbs gone would be risking his career at OU to make it happen. The fans and alumni did not like the Administration forcing Switzer out, to do it to Tubbs too seems pretty hard to imagine.
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Word on the street at the time Tubbs left for TCU was that TCU called Tubbs to inquire about interviewing Mike Mims. Tubbs said let me check with the AD (Donnie Duncan) and get back to you.

Duncan basically told Tubbs to see if TCU would be interested in hiring Billy because his days in Norman were numbered (paraphrase; my words).

So, Tubbs went back to TCU and asked if they would be interested in interviewing him and then he went on to accept the job.

I think Duncan thought he could get Tubby and that's why he was so confident in letting Tubbs go. He didn't get Tubby, but made a good hire anyway and the rest is history.

This is how it went down according to my sources which at the time were pretty solid. Al Eschbach, who was connected with the AD back then basically told the same story on 640 WWLS at the time or shortly after it happened.
 
Never met Jeff Capel, but from videos I've watched and articles that I have read, he seems to be a great guy, great attitude, players love him.

Only problem is, he has made some really bad evaluations of character on some of the recent teams, leading to the disaster of the last couple of years.
Only the fact that Jeff stepped into a ready-made winner of a situation (Taylor Griffin on the team ---> HELLO BLAKE! bought him a little goodwill.

As I said, I like Jeff. But being likeable isn't good enough.

Capel should be given his walking papers at the end of the year, he's had 5 years, and his record speaks (miserably) for itself.

And as someone else said earlier in this thread, Joe C. has accumulated lots of respect due to his hire of Stoops, but if he gives Capel another year, that goodwill will quickly erode, IMO.

I fear that IF Capel gets another year, that Osby's (projected) performance may buy Jeff yet another year, prolonging the agony.
 
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Last season, OU won four conference games. It appears very likely that this team will also win only four conference games. Before this two-year stretch of futility, the last OU team to win only four conference games was the 9-18 team of 1981, who went 4-10 in Big 8 play.

If we only win four conference games, that would put our two-year league victory total at eight games. The last time we had a stretch so void of success was in 1964 and 1965, when both teams posted identical 3-11 records in Big 8 play.
 
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