Any chance we don't suck next year?

Congrats you found a guy. I really hope people will go read the link to the article you posted so they can chuckle as thoroughly as I just did. That just made my week.

highlights of the article include: "Surest Bet: Iowa State, Greg McDermott". The same Greg McDermott who was canned last season after never having a winning season or finishing higher than 7th in the conference at Iowa State. He's now busy destroying Creighton's program who had its 2nd worst season in the Missouri Valley conference since they joined.

"Out of Water: Arizona State, Herb Sendek". The same Herb Sednek who turned around Arizona state by the second season and gave it it's first winning season in over half a decade at 21-12.

Outisde of his boldest move being the KState Huggy Bear hire and possibly Capel (which we're debating now) he consistently was wrong on everything he predicted the entire article. Hell of a source there guy. :clap

As I said, Mike DeCourcy is as respected amongst basketball journalists as anybody out there. The article was all predictions and he was wrong on the ones you mentioned, but he was right about Capel which was the topic of this thread.

To sum it up:
You said everybody in the press thought it was a great hire.
I said not everybody and some even criticized it.
You asked for a source and a name to prove what I said.
I provided a source and a name.
And all you can do is point out his other predictions that were wrong. :confused:

Methinks you should be on the beach in Destin instead of conversating about how the press perceives the OU basketball situation. I would guess you know more about the beach as you are much closer to it than you are Norman.
 
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We were an underdog in every one of those games, excluding Chaminade.

Best case scenario in those games was 3-4.

We were underdogs in most of those games because of how many losses we had before the game. Had we beaten Chaminade, we are probably still the underdog at Arkansas but a good coach would have made that game competitive. Of the games I listed as games we should have won, that is probably the biggest reach.

I think had we beaten Chaminade, Cincy, and beaten Baylor at Baylor, we are probably favored vs OSU. If we win all those games we are favored at home vs Nebraska and then at Tech. I don't think it's that big of a reach because save Arkansas, we were in all of those games and had chances to win had we any coaching.
 
If Capel came back were we really going to win 20+ games next year? I'm sorry i don't see that. I kinda agree we probably won't be that good next year because we don't have a recruiting class late in the game. Even when Capel got here we had Tony Crocker, Keith Clark, and a bunch of decent young talent. We have some decent young talent now but no recruiting class to speak of right now. I didn't see us getting a lot of players this offseason that would have suddenly made us a 20 win season. Which was the only way Capel keeps his job next year if he wasn't fired.
The premise is true that we could take a step back, but your history is flat wrong. Capel had NOTHING when he got here. Those guys had done very little. He developed utilized Nate Carter and Neal and Longar(remember his two Sampson years?) and he cobbled together a mediocre bunch. Capel should take blame for poor performance, but let's not re-create history of that first year. He doesn't get enough credit for years 1-3.
 
I remember Sampson winning the Big 12 his second to last year. Had a bad mesh of players his last year but also had a lot of young guys. Taylor Griffin, Godbold, Austin Johnson. Name the 10 best players in the Capel era and at least 5 will be Sampson players. Probably as many as 7 or 8 in the end.

There was a lot more talent left here with Carter, Neal, Godbold, AJ, Taylor Griffin(who was the biggest part of bringing in Blake Griffin, Longar Longar, Tony Crocker. Without that group, Capel doesn't last 3 years.
 
We were underdogs in most of those games because of how many losses we had before the game. Had we beaten Chaminade, we are probably still the underdog at Arkansas but a good coach would have made that game competitive. Of the games I listed as games we should have won, that is probably the biggest reach.

I think had we beaten Chaminade, Cincy, and beaten Baylor at Baylor, we are probably favored vs OSU. If we win all those games we are favored at home vs Nebraska and then at Tech. I don't think it's that big of a reach because save Arkansas, we were in all of those games and had chances to win had we any coaching.

No. We were underdogs because the other team was better. And Arkansas was a competitive game.
 
Congrats you found a guy. I really hope people will go read the link to the article you posted so they can chuckle as thoroughly as I just did. That just made my week.

highlights of the article include: "Surest Bet: Iowa State, Greg McDermott". The same Greg McDermott who was canned last season after never having a winning season or finishing higher than 7th in the conference at Iowa State. He's now busy destroying Creighton's program who had its 2nd worst season in the Missouri Valley conference since they joined.

"Out of Water: Arizona State, Herb Sendek". The same Herb Sednek who turned around Arizona state by the second season and gave it it's first winning season in over half a decade at 21-12.

Outisde of his boldest move being the KState Huggy Bear hire and possibly Capel (which we're debating now) he consistently was wrong on everything he predicted the entire article. Hell of a source there guy. :clap

Agree
 
Record-wise? We "may" suck next year. Depends on the coach, who stays, and who he might be able to bring in.

That said, I think we'll be more competitive next year if we get a good coach. Someone like BCG or Buzz probably won't lose as many games in true blowout fashion.
 
As I said, Mike DeCourcy is as respected amongst basketball journalists as anybody out there. The article was all predictions and he was wrong on the ones you mentioned, but he was right about Capel which was the topic of this thread.

To sum it up:
You said everybody in the press thought it was a great hire.
I said not everybody and some even criticized it.
You asked for a source and a name to prove what I said.
I provided a source and a name.
And all you can do is point out his other predictions that were wrong. :confused:

Methinks you should be on the beach in Destin instead of conversating about how the press perceives the OU basketball situation. I would guess you know more about the beach as you are much closer to it than you are Norman.

You cited one source, who isn't all that respected, and was proven wrong almost down the line in every prediction he made. Like I said good source there. :clap

My degree says The University of Oklahoma on it, two of my sisters degrees say The University of Oklahoma on it, my father's degree says The University of Oklahoma on it, and my grandfather's Masters Degree says The University of Oklahoma on it. My grandfather held season tickets to both Oklahoma football and basketball, my father holds season tickets to Oklahoma football and basketball, I hold season tickets to Oklahoma football and basketball.

I was at the Myriad Garden Center when Wayman Tisdale and Anthony Bowie took Manhatten College behind the woodshed. I was in the LNC that February afternoon that Mookie Blaylock and Ricky Grace went bucknuts the second half to bring us back on Kansas and win by eight and in Columbia the next week when unranked Missouri broke our hearts in overtime and Norm Stewart ran around on the court like a chicken with his head cut off while Billy marched off the court disgusted at the officiating (per the norm against Misery in that era); the week after that I was in KC when demolished Colorado, Nebraska, and one of the best Kansas State teams in the history of their program to claim the conference crown. I was back in Kansas City a month later to see us take out Arizona before dropping a heartbreaker to a Kansas team we had already beaten twice that season including in Lawrence by double digits. I was at the LNC when we ran Loyola Marymount off the court and Mookie Blaylock broke the Big 8 three pointers in a game record.I was at the Myriad Gardens When Mookie, Terry, and Stacy demolished the two big Texas schools on consecutive nights and 10k+ fellow Sooners chanted "Poor Texas" repeatedly as the Maroon Aggies sat behind benches and shortwhorn players held they heads low. I was in Lexington when Virginia shocked us and sent us home in the sweet 16. I was there when we upset much higher ranked UNLV the next December after losing two top ten draft picks to the NBA, the college basketball world was shocked, and Top Daug Danced around the Decibal Machine as the red blinker at the top went haywire. I was there when we blasted consecutive number one ranked teams off the court so thoroughly that we jumped four and six spots, respectively, in the polls and claimed the #1 ranking by jumping Duke and UNLV in the span of about a week. I was also in Austin when UNC god the gift from the officials and the ball out of bounds before upsetting us in the last minutes of the game. I could go on but you probably get the point and that's just basketball. There aren't but maybe a handful of posters such as Denver, Coolm, and Ms.Proud who can make the same statements and all of whom know I have a long history of supporting and being accounted for in any and every en devour the university pursues.

The only thing you've been accurate about is me living in Destin now. It's a rough life making decisions on what to do with my leisure time in the summer between walking a block to one of the most beautiful beaches on Earth, driving down to the marina to put the boat in the water for crab island or catching my fill of cohibia and red snapper. It's a rough life but don't cry for me Argentina.

Methinks you can keep your thoughts on my personal life and where I live, as though it has any bearing on my level of familiarity with the program in this internet media driven age, to yourself. My degree from Oklahoma and connection to the University is just as meaningful as anyone else's; including your own if you even have one or ever even attended.
 
We were underdogs in most of those games because of how many losses we had before the game. Had we beaten Chaminade, we are probably still the underdog at Arkansas but a good coach would have made that game competitive. Of the games I listed as games we should have won, that is probably the biggest reach.

I think had we beaten Chaminade, Cincy, and beaten Baylor at Baylor, we are probably favored vs OSU. If we win all those games we are favored at home vs Nebraska and then at Tech. I don't think it's that big of a reach because save Arkansas, we were in all of those games and had chances to win had we any coaching.


You mean the way a good coach makes a team who is severely out talented competitive against the SEC champions on a neutral court in Hawaii?

Would you like a shovel? Because digging that hole with your hands doesn't seem to be too effective for you son.
 
Record-wise? We "may" suck next year. Depends on the coach, who stays, and who he might be able to bring in.

That said, I think we'll be more competitive next year if we get a good coach. Someone like BCG or Buzz probably won't lose as many games in true blowout fashion.

Buzz's career record is only slightly better than Caples! He has consistently lost more games every season since taking over for Crean who left him the cupboard basically full!
 
Alright some here have convenienced me! I am now wearing my Crimson Colored Lenses, and I am styling! New Coach and a Good Player and we make a Tourny next season! NCAA or NIT, either is good. Hang on just got a comment on my Crimson Colored Lenses and directed them to this Post so that they can understand and wear theirs prOUdly too! Rock on............
 
You cited one source, who isn't all that respected, and was proven wrong almost down the line in every prediction he made. Like I said good source there. :clap

My degree says The University of Oklahoma on it, two of my sisters degrees say The University of Oklahoma on it, my father's degree says The University of Oklahoma on it, and my grandfather's Masters Degree says The University of Oklahoma on it. My grandfather held season tickets to both Oklahoma football and basketball, my father holds season tickets to Oklahoma football and basketball, I hold season tickets to Oklahoma football and basketball.

I was at the Myriad Garden Center when Wayman Tisdale and Anthony Bowie took Manhatten College behind the woodshed. I was in the LNC that February afternoon that Mookie Blaylock and Ricky Grace went bucknuts the second half to bring us back on Kansas and win by eight and in Columbia the next week when unranked Missouri broke our hearts in overtime and Norm Stewart ran around on the court like a chicken with his head cut off while Billy marched off the court disgusted at the officiating (per the norm against Misery in that era); the week after that I was in KC when demolished Colorado, Nebraska, and one of the best Kansas State teams in the history of their program to claim the conference crown. I was back in Kansas City a month later to see us take out Arizona before dropping a heartbreaker to a Kansas team we had already beaten twice that season including in Lawrence by double digits. I was at the LNC when we ran Loyola Marymount off the court and Mookie Blaylock broke the Big 8 three pointers in a game record.I was at the Myriad Gardens When Mookie, Terry, and Stacy demolished the two big Texas schools on consecutive nights and 10k+ fellow Sooners chanted "Poor Texas" repeatedly as the Maroon Aggies sat behind benches and shortwhorn players held they heads low. I was in Lexington when Virginia shocked us and sent us home in the sweet 16. I was there when we upset much higher ranked UNLV the next December after losing two top ten draft picks to the NBA, the college basketball world was shocked, and Top Daug Danced around the Decibal Machine as the red blinker at the top went haywire. I was there when we blasted consecutive number one ranked teams off the court so thoroughly that we jumped four and six spots, respectively, in the polls and claimed the #1 ranking by jumping Duke and UNLV in the span of about a week. I was also in Austin when UNC god the gift from the officials and the ball out of bounds before upsetting us in the last minutes of the game. I could go on but you probably get the point and that's just basketball. There aren't but maybe a handful of posters such as Denver, Coolm, and Ms.Proud who can make the same statements and all of whom know I have a long history of supporting and being accounted for in any and every en devour the university pursues.

The only thing you've been accurate about is me living in Destin now. It's a rough life making decisions on what to do with my leisure time in the summer between walking a block to one of the most beautiful beaches on Earth, driving down to the marina to put the boat in the water for crab island or catching my fill of cohibia and red snapper. It's a rough life but don't cry for me Argentina.

Methinks you can keep your thoughts on my personal life and where I live, as though it has any bearing on my level of familiarity with the program in this internet media driven age, to yourself. My degree from Oklahoma and connection to the University is just as meaningful as anyone else's; including your own if you even have one or ever even attended.

Well...congrats on all that, but you are wrong on DeCourcy. Here is what the TSN says about him:

A nationally recognized and award-winning authority on the game, Sporting News college basketball writer Mike DeCourcy has covered 22 Final Fours, as well as most of the Big Dance’s signature events over the past two decades.

Some would tell you DeCourcy is THE top college basketball writer in the country. I know this is the stance of 810 WHB in Kansas City which is probably the best sportstalk station in this part of the country.

Again, you asked for a source to prove my statement that not everybody was enamored with the Capel hire. I provided the source, and since you were proven wrong you start taking shots at me. You may be a longtime fan, an alum, and a season ticket holder but you may also be an ***hole. JMO.
 
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The premise is true that we could take a step back, but your history is flat wrong. Capel had NOTHING when he got here. Those guys had done very little. He developed utilized Nate Carter and Neal and Longar(remember his two Sampson years?) and he cobbled together a mediocre bunch. Capel should take blame for poor performance, but let's not re-create history of that first year. He doesn't get enough credit for years 1-3.

This is such BS. Longar did not play much under Sampson because Taj Gray and Kevin Bookout were better. The two times Longar played significant minutes he put up big points. Capel didn't develop anything.

Taylor Griffin was a productive rebounder his freshman season. Neal was better under Sampson. AJ started several games as a true freshman pg. Nate Carter did not get any pt under Sampson and sat the first half of the season under Capel. Honestly, I don't get what the deal was with Nate Carter. Capel was left with a great program and plenty of talent he is simply a bad coach. He sucked at all facits of coaching.
 
You mean the way a good coach makes a team who is severely out talented competitive against the SEC champions on a neutral court in Hawaii?

Would you like a shovel? Because digging that hole with your hands doesn't seem to be too effective for you son.

I never said we would compete with Kentucky. I never listed that as a game we could have won with good coaching.

As for us keeping the Kentucky game close that had as much to do with UK being very young as anything on our side. They would have beaten us by 30 in February.
 
The only thing you've been accurate about is me living in Destin now. It's a rough life making decisions on what to do with my leisure time in the summer between walking a block to one of the most beautiful beaches on Earth, driving down to the marina to put the boat in the water for crab island or catching my fill of cohibia and red snapper. It's a rough life but don't cry for me Argentina.

I'm familiar with the beaches of the redneck riviera as I too used to live there. I decided it was time to move when the average IQ dropped to less than half of my own.

BTW...it's spelled cobia and is a great fish to eat. :ez-laugh:
 
I hope I am wrong and will be happy to eat some crow. But current state of this team is not close even with one good player and a new coach. Blake was not just "a good player" he was much more than that! And the talent around him was better too!

Wrong again.
Clark is going to be good next year.
Fitz is good.
Newell has the skills to be a Nolan Johnson type player.
A good coach and a couple more "decent" players (top 100 types), and we will be dancing in 2 years.
 
there are some amazing opinions on this thread, wow
 
Well...congrats on all that, but you are wrong on DeCourcy. Here is what the TSN says about him:



Some would tell you DeCourcy is THE top college basketball writer in the country. I know this is the stance of 810 WHB in Kansas City which is probably the best sportstalk station in this part of the country.

Again, you asked for a source to prove my statement that not everybody was enamored with the Capel hire. I provided the source, and since you were proven wrong you start taking shots at me. You may be a longtime fan, an alum, and a season ticket holder but you may also be an ***hole. JMO.

I've seen what your opinion is worth so doesn't bother me a bit. DeCrourcy is THE top college basketball writer in the country? We really need some new writers if that is the case. Other than the article you cited in just under 15 minutes of looking at past articles he has written I have seen such gems over the years of analyzing as: Jim Boheim and Syracuse being by far and away the best team in the big east and likely another coach of the year award this season, his preseason top 16 included such teams as Baylor, Cornell, St. Mary's, and Northern Iowa (did any of these teams even make the tourny?), in 2009 he predicted Willie Warren to be college basketball's player of the year (since I'm not at all a supporter of Oklahoma in any facet maybe someone could fill me in on how little Willie's season went that year? TIA), that Mike Krzyzewski's renewing his contract with USA basketball would "doom" Duke to missing out on the Final Four for yet another three years (remind me who won the national championship that very season?), and that Syracuse would defeat Oklahoma and Blake Griffin on its way to the final four in 2009 because OU and Griffin were mentally tired (remind which two teams played in the regional finals of that tourney and didn't one of them go on to win the national title... what exactly happened to Syracuse in its match up with OU?).

I wish I could be as accurate as this guy and even still have a job much less be THE leading authority in my industry! :clap
 
Even with the current group of players, I don't really see a 20-win season next year. I didn't see anything out of Carl Blair that suggested he'd be able to handle a press better next year. He's a decent player, but not a PG on a tournament-caliber team. Clark showed flashes of being a pretty good player, and could help our offense next year. But, we lose our most productive offensive player in Cade Davis, and I really don't see Pledger or Newell filling that role as well. We still have major issues at the forward positions, and will continue to be dominated on the boards. So, I think bubble NIT team is a pretty good guess, as someone else suggested. Capel also didn't really have a very good recruiting class lined up next year, and the list of prospects is pretty short and unimpressive. So, even though we may be worse next year (I don't buy that either, unless there's a lot of transfers), I think we're much better off in the long-term.
 
I've seen what your opinion is worth so doesn't bother me a bit. DeCrourcy is THE top college basketball writer in the country? We really need some new writers if that is the case. Other than the article you cited in just under 15 minutes of looking at past articles he has written I have seen such gems over the years of analyzing as: Jim Boheim and Syracuse being by far and away the best team in the big east and likely another coach of the year award this season, his preseason top 16 included such teams as Baylor, Cornell, St. Mary's, and Northern Iowa (did any of these teams even make the tourny?), in 2009 he predicted Willie Warren to be college basketball's player of the year (since I'm not at all a supporter of Oklahoma in any facet maybe someone could fill me in on how little Willie's season went that year? TIA), that Mike Krzyzewski's renewing his contract with USA basketball would "doom" Duke to missing out on the Final Four for yet another three years (remind me who won the national championship that very season?), and that Syracuse would defeat Oklahoma and Blake Griffin on its way to the final four in 2009 because OU and Griffin were mentally tired (remind which two teams played in the regional finals of that tourney and didn't one of them go on to win the national title... what exactly happened to Syracuse in its match up with OU?).

I wish I could be as accurate as this guy and even still have a job much less be THE leading authority in my industry! :clap

OK. Thanks.
 
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