Baylor edges Winthrop

[sybarite]

Incidentally, one of those "world's greatest recruits that Sherri lost" that was "so much better than Dungee" has only played in nine of her team's first thirteen games, never starting once, shoots 26.32% from the field, 25% from three. But, the experts on this board and the recruiting sites had her ahead of our recruits.

 

[Mac]

Incidentally, one of those "world's greatest recruits that Sherri lost" that was "so much better than Dungee" has only played in nine of her team's first thirteen games, never starting once, shoots 26.32% from the field, 25% from three. But, the experts on this board and the recruiting sites had her ahead of our recruits.

Name a recent All American this state has produced? You can't thats why I wasn't to concerned about missing out on Wilson...

 

[Soonerbay]

So. We'll put you down in the "sports titles mean everything" as opposed to "the responsibility of a university is to teach" group.

Each time someone brings up the justification of SC's salary, there is inevitably someone that says, "Look at all the titles she has won", albeit, not a NC. You can't have it both ways!

And if you want to take the "teach" approach...then let's agree that SC should be paid comparable to the professors. Is there a professor at OU that makes $1M+ annually plus perks and benefits? I don't think so, but professors/teachers that do a phenomenal job have never been paid their true worth. They are the ones that should get the big bucks...but that's another story for another day.

 

[got mulk??]

Big Twelve starts today, and OU has two outstanding freshmen this year with some good ones coming in next year. So, are we discussing the game on tap tonight? No, we're still complaining about the same thing that the complainers have been complaining about since the board was created.

You of all people concerned with posters bringing up the same old complaints, really, REALLY???????? That's your forte!!

 

[sybarite]

You of all people concerned with posters bringing up the same old complaints, really, REALLY???????? That's your forte!!

Only when you or some nut brings up Kim Mulkey.

 

[SoonerSpock]

So. We'll put you down in the "sports titles mean everything" as opposed to "the responsibility of a university is to teach" group.

How you choose to label me means nothing. In the sporting world success is measured by wins, losses and championships. From my perspective paying a coach a top 5 salary ($1.1 million guaranteed+bonuses) and getting less than top 10 results for 6 plus seasons is a red flag.

If her level of performance remains what it has been for the last 6 years until her contract comes up for renewal (2021) I would support giving her a pay cut of about $350-400K. If she finds that unacceptable I would replace her. Another 5 years is more than ample time to turn the program into a more competitive product. Failure to do so would make this current down period exceed 10 years (2011-21) and probable to continue.

It is a certainty that OU could hire a coach capable of finishing in the top third of the Big 12 for $750,000 or less. The question is it worth an additional $400,000 for girls that graduate and are productive in society after graduation at a slightly higher rate when he fact most quality coaches can and do have high graduation rates and students of high character.

If you look at the Academic Progress Rates for the past four years you see that the lowest ranking men's sports are football and basketball and the lowest ranking women's sports are bowling and basketball. The APR for women's basketball for 2012-15 was 978 the four year average for Baylor was 977 (972-982) and for OU 985 (981-990).

To give you some understanding if you compare women's basketball APR to other women's sports the average for 10 other sports was higher than OU's 985 with average score of 986-992. But without question Sherri's teams do an outstanding job academically.

The concern then becomes is her first priority as the WBB coach to win games and championships or to have the very highest graduation rates or the very highest character. I think winning on the basketball court is her first priority but having kids of character with better than average graduation rates is a high second priority. A third priority is to attract alumni to the campus to allow the university to develop a relationship with the alumni that results in donations to the university. Unfortunately during the last nine years average attendance to WBB games has fallen by about 2/3's and tickets sold by 1/2 (10,437 to 5,370) that is not good.


http://www.ncaa.org/championships/statistics/womens-basketball-attendance

 

[threepointshooter]

I see a young woman who left a title team and rejected the university, two young women who felt that they could not admit they were gay while at Baylor

We've had young women who felt they could not admit they were gay while at Oklahoma. Rosalind Ross was one of these women.

Has Coach Coale ever had an openly gay player?

"Malika did not tell anyone she was gay," Rubis says. "She told us they were close friends that grew up together." (Ross also remained closeted throughout college, believing the climate to be "unreceptive" to lesbian players, she told her mother.)

http://www.espn.com/espnw/news-commentary/article/7985309/malika-willoughby-rosalind-ross-had-tragic-love-story-espn-magazine

 

[sybarite]

We've had young women who felt they could not admit they were gay while at Oklahoma. Rosalind Ross was one of these women.

Has Coach Coale ever had an openly gay player?


http://www.espn.com/espnw/news-commentary/article/7985309/malika-willoughby-rosalind-ross-had-tragic-love-story-espn-magazine

I can't answer your question. For all I know, the entire team might be gay. The Ross situation may or may not have been as described since the source had their own interpretation of some things due to the situation. I don't even know the facts of that situation since Ross didn't say it herself--second hand from a biased and compromised source.

As yet, I have seen nobody write a book about feeling bitterness towards OU or Sherri, nor have I seen articles about it. We don't know a lot about the players, and they do keep some of their lives private.

 

[tycat947]

We've had young women who felt they could not admit they were gay while at Oklahoma. Rosalind Ross was one of these women.

Has Coach Coale ever had an openly gay player?


http://www.espn.com/espnw/news-commentary/article/7985309/malika-willoughby-rosalind-ross-had-tragic-love-story-espn-magazine

The difference is that the institution (Hypocrite U) requires you to sign agreement stating you will be kicked out if engaging in any homosexual (and others) behavior. You can argue that any LGBTQ person might feel uncomfortable being open anywhere, except west coast or New England areas. But most institutions of higher education don't kick you out of the school for being gay.

 

[SoonerSpock]

The difference is that the institution (Hypocrite U) requires you to sign agreement stating you will be kicked out if engaging in any homosexual (and others) behavior. You can argue that any LGBTQ person might feel uncomfortable being open anywhere, except west coast or New England areas. But most institutions of higher education don't kick you out of the school for being gay.

Most universities are not religious based and interpret gay activities as a sin with rules prohibiting such activity. Personally I think if the church and school think gay activities are not hereditary they should approach such activity with forgiveness and seek redemption by the party.

However is you choose to go to a private school that promotes that is will expel students for homosexual behavior and they knowingly participate is such behavior they will get expelled they deserve the punishment rendered. Instead they should respect the school's religious position and rules not defy them and go to school elsewhere.

On the other hand, a public school should make every effort to insure they create an environment void of prejudice and bigotry for their gay players.

 

[tycat947]

Most universities are not religious based and interpret gay activities as a sin with rules prohibiting such activity. Personally I think if the church and school think gay activities are not hereditary they should approach such activity with forgiveness and seek redemption by the party.

However is you choose to go to a private school that promotes that is will expel students for homosexual behavior and they knowingly participate is such behavior they will get expelled they deserve the punishment rendered. Instead they should respect the school's religious position and rules not defy them and go to school elsewhere.

On the other hand, a public school should make every effort to insure they create an environment void of prejudice and bigotry for their gay players.

I don't know what you are smoking but it must be real good!

What about when your coach tells you it's ok to come to homophobic church school but just be quiet about it??? (AKA Sulkey Mulkey and Griner!) Sulkey knew the rules for Hypocrite U yet she chose to recruit a known lesbian (at least one!).

 

[NMSooner'80]

Just wondering..how many of the Baylor players did Sherri try to bring in ?

Probably a couple, but then again Sherri normally doesn't recruit the California Penal League either.

 

[SoonerSpock]

I don't know what you are smoking but it must be real good!

What about when your coach tells you it's ok to come to homophobic church school but just be quiet about it??? (AKA Sulkey Mulkey and Griner!) Sulkey knew the rules for Hypocrite U yet she chose to recruit a known lesbian (at least one!).

I guess the real answer has to be based on when did Mulkey really know that Brittany was gay. And if she really told Griner to come to Waco and just keep quiet about your sexuality. We know that Griner did not come out as being gay until two days after she was drafted by the WNBA although no one was surprised with her announcement. It has also been reported that she came out while at Baylor shortly before she left school in interviews with SI.com and ESPN.

It is difficult to know all the facts but it appears to be probable that Griner was keeping her being a lesbian on the QT when was still in high school if it fact she did not come out until 4 years later.

If in fact Mulkey knew Griner was gay and told her to keep it quiet that was wrong, very wrong. She was deceitful to her employer and was a participant in the violation of the school's honor code and should have been terminated. Unfortunately we only have Griner's word on the incident and she has not been proven to be an overly truthful individual.

Hence I choose to remain neutral with regard to the Mulkey/Griner conversation regarding Griner's being gay without confirmation of the conversation which probably does not exist as such a conversation would be a private conversation between just the two. I personally do not accept rumors regarding Kim as fact without solid evidence like so many on this board do.

If Kim learned Brittany was gay after she enrolled at Baylor then Kim should have immediately assisted Griner in finding another school to finish her eligibility.


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/19/s...griner-comes-out-and-sports-world-shrugs.html

http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswi...ll-how-brittney-griner-found-a-place-of-peace

 

[tycat947]

I guess the real answer has to be based on when did Mulkey really know that Brittany was gay. And if she really told Griner to come to Waco and just keep quiet about your sexuality. We know that Griner did not come out as being gay until two days after she was drafted by the WNBA although no one was surprised with her announcement. It has also been reported that she came out while at Baylor shortly before she left school in interviews with SI.com and ESPN.

It is difficult to know all the facts but it appears to be probable that Griner was keeping her being a lesbian on the QT when was still in high school if it fact she did not come out until 4 years later.

If in fact Mulkey knew Griner was gay and told her to keep it quiet that was wrong, very wrong. She was deceitful to her employer and was a participant in the violation of the school's honor code and should have been terminated. Unfortunately we only have Griner's word on the incident and she has not been proven to be an overly truthful individual.

Hence I choose to remain neutral with regard to the Mulkey/Griner conversation regarding Griner's being gay without confirmation of the conversation which probably does not exist as such a conversation would be a private conversation between just the two. I personally do not accept rumors regarding Kim as fact without solid evidence like so many on this board do.

If Kim learned Brittany was gay after she enrolled at Baylor then Kim should have immediately assisted Griner in finding another school to finish her eligibility.


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/19/s...griner-comes-out-and-sports-world-shrugs.html

http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswi...ll-how-brittney-griner-found-a-place-of-peace

http://www.espn.com/wnba/story/_/id...-kim-mulkey-told-players-keep-quiet-sexuality

'Nuff said!

But Griner reiterated on Friday that her sexuality was an open secret at Baylor.

"I told Coach [Mulkey] when she was recruiting me. I was like, 'I'm gay. I hope that's not a problem,' and she told me that it wasn't," Griner said. "I mean, my teammates knew, obviously they all knew. Everybody knew about it."